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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 03:59 PM
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Free Money for Republicans
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 04:00 PM by Boojatta
Imagine an email designed to look as though it were written by George W. Bush (and edited by his most literate assistants to ensure that it appears presidential), and requesting the information that is usually requested by 419 scam email. For example, it could say that $911,000,000.00 in US banknotes were transported to Iraq in 2004 in accordance with his instructions and that most of the money remains there for distribution to worthy members of the Republican Party.

Replies could be forwarded to government agencies for investigation of people who reply with authentic banking information.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:01 PM
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1. I don't get it. Other than being stupid, what crime did they commit?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:04 PM
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2. Well, just in case they don't know that the Republican Party doesn't have
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 04:04 PM by Boojatta
that much money, enough information could be included in the email to allow people to very easily deduce (without relying upon any background knowledge) that the money belongs to the US government, and not to the Republican Party.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:07 PM
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3. So what crime did they commit? Why do you want them investigated?
Like I said, stupidity is not illegal.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:09 PM
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5. Taking action as part of a plan to receive stolen money.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:12 PM
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6. Nothing in your posts suggests that the money was stolen.
And even if it did, I'm pretty sure that would be fraud or even entrapment if someone falls for it.

Either way, it's completely stupid.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:16 PM
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8. "Nothing in your posts suggests that the money was stolen."
Perhaps you should read my posts again. Also, please note that I didn't include a complete draft of such an email, but simply sketched the idea.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:18 PM
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9. Could you kindly point out to me in your post where it suggests that the money was stolen?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:23 PM
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11. deleted by Boojatta
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 04:25 PM by Boojatta
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:24 PM
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12. No problem...
"the money belongs to the US government, and not to the Republican Party"

Link
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:42 PM
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14. Why would a letter like that disclose that?
There would be no need. You would only disclose something like that in order to relieve liability. But it would still be illegal for both parties.

This entire thing sounds like a ridiculous witch hunt.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 05:01 PM
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15. "Why would a letter like that disclose that?"
I don't know. Why don't you try to think of a plausible-sounding pretext?
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 05:10 PM
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17. I can't think of one.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:09 PM
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20. Can you think of a new method for public key encryption?
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 06:10 PM by Boojatta
If you can't, then perhaps you should contact professors of Computer Science around the world to inform them that you have reason to believe that the existing methods of public key encryption exhaust all possibilities.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:19 PM
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10. "Either way, it's completely stupid."
Is the following a hoax website?

http://www.419eater.com/

Alternatively, are some people wasting a lot of time to protest against one tiny and irrelevant fragment of the spam email that they receive?
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:40 PM
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13. I meant that it's completely stupid to go after the opposition like that.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 05:02 PM
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16. Was it stupid to try to impeach Nixon?
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 05:11 PM
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18. uhhh...
What?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:07 PM
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19. One can use money to commit crimes.
One can commit a crime in an effort to get money before one has made any decision about what the money will be used for.

However, in each of the above situations we are talking about crime. Isn't it a good idea to fight crime, regardless of exactly how money enters into it?

If I'm not mistaken, following the money trail involved in some crimes helped establish Nixon's involvement. That's a very simple idea. Trace the money to see the source. It seemed that such simplicity might be a basis for you to complain that it is a "stupid" idea.

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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:11 PM
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21. I'm calling it stupid because you are going fishing for morons.
This isn't about tracing the money. There is no money.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:15 PM
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22. Speaking of money, consider the slogan "In God We Trust."
If you doubt that there's a God, then do you have reason to believe that people who trust in God are morons?
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:21 PM
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23. No. But I believe they are wrong and acting irrationally.
There is no evidence that God exists. Trusting in something that you've never seen or experienced is kind of weird.

But that is still less ridiculous than the kind of morons you are trying to find.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:09 PM
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4. you're advocating fraud.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:15 PM
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7. "Please disclose personal information because you are ready to commit a crime."
Does that become fraud if you replace the explicit statement "you are ready to commit a crime" with a false statement designed to elicit the personal information only from people who are in fact ready to commit a crime?
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