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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:03 PM
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"White House does everything it can to protect and ensure" blue dog and centrist dominance in party.

Even The New Republic Now Calls for a Party Purge of Corporate-Owned 'Centrists'
by Glenn Greenwald
August 27, 2009

While it's lovely that The New Republic has now joined that movement and decided that corporate-owned "centrists" need to be purged from the Party, Chait is laboring under complete blindness about the reasons these problems have arisen. Chait accuses me, Dan Froomkin and "liberals" generally of "confusion" because we believe that the Obama White House bears some of the blame in the dominance of corporate interests generally and in the health care battle specifically. Chait echoes the facially absurd excuse of the most hardened Obama loyalists everywhere: namely, that Obama, Rahm Emanuel and friends are just helpless, impotent observers who wield no influence over the health care debate and can do nothing but sit back and hope and pray that the Senate will pass a good, progressive health care reform bill free of excessive servitude to the health care and drug industries. If the Congress refuses to, well that's obviously not Obama's fault -- a President isn't in the Congress and can't really influence what it does, so this excuse-making goes.

For the moment, leave aside all the evidence to the contrary: that, as Chait's colleague Jonathan Cohn detailed, the Obama White House secretly entered into a deal with the drug industry not to negotiate for lower prices; that Obama has repeatedly sought to empower the Baucus-dominated Senate Finance Committee at the expense of more progressive committees; that the White House aggressively threatens, berates, and cajoles House progressives who impede the President's agenda but hasn't done anything against Blue Dogs; that the strategy of the White House from the start has been to ensure that the health care and drug industries are pleased so that they continue to use their ample largesse to fund the Democrats rather than get behind a GOP takeover in 2010; and that Emanuel built his career and power base by controlling the Congress through the expansion of the Blue Dogs and other "centrist" and "conservative" members and by pleasing corporate donors, thus rendering the image of him as a helpless, passive bystander in the health care debate transparent fiction. Even Dick Durbin -- the Senate's number two Democrat -- acknowledges that, even with a huge Democratic majority, the banking industry "frankly owns" the Congress.

More important than all of that is the fact that there is one principal reason that Blue Dogs and "centrists" exert such dominance within the Party: because the Party leadership, led by the Obama White House, wants it that way and works hard to ensure it continues. While Chait seems to envision himself as the pioneering inventor of the primary challenge strategy (something he first articulated six weeks ago), Accountability Now has actually been working continuously for the last year on recruiting credible primary challengers and building an infrastructure to support those challenges -- all in order to unseat the unresponsive, corrupt and corporate-owned incumbents who ensure that the same factions control government no matter which party is in control. But the principal barrier to those efforts has been the accurate perception that the White House and President -- along with key party institutions such as the DCCC -- will use their vast resources to keep Blue Dogs and "centrists" in office and crush any efforts from within the party to unseat them.

Rahm Emanuel, Tom Delay, and the Bush/Cheney White House have left no doubt that where there's a will to influence the actions of Senators and House members in one's own party, there's a way. But the Obama White House has done nothing in the way of attempting to change the behavior of the supposedly obstructionist Blue Dogs and centrists whom Obama-defenders are eager to blame for the health care standstill. In fact, they've done the opposite: Emanuel has repeatedly leapt to their defense and attacked progressives who sought to influence or otherwise put pressure on them to change behavior. White House threats that "you'll never hear from us again" are issued to defiant progressives only. Not only are such threats never issued to "centrists" and Blue Dogs who are supposedly impeding the President's health care agenda, but the White House does everything it can to protect those ostensible obstructionists and further entrench them in power. Isn't all of this fairly strong evidence that the White House knew, accepted and likely even desired from the start that -- despite the President's public assurances to progressives -- the "public option," understandably despised by the insurance industry, would be dropped from bill?

Nobody suggests that the President could easily or single-handedly change the behavior of Kent Conrad or Mike Ross. But there's certainly things -- effective things -- he could do to try, including making it more difficult for those politicians to stay in office, exactly as they threaten to do with defiant progressives. But they don't do that. They do the opposite. The reason that Blue Dogs and "centrists" exert such control in the Democratic Party and are able to ensure the Party remains beholden to corporate interests is because that's how Party leaders want it. That's how the Democratic Party has been built and it's how they continue to maintain their power.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/27/democrats/index.html
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:21 PM
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1. K&R n/t
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:35 PM
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2. K&R
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:47 PM
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3. There it is...
"the principal barrier to those efforts has been the accurate perception that the White House and President -- along with key party institutions such as the DCCC -- will use their vast resources to keep Blue Dogs and "centrists" in office and crush any efforts from within the party to unseat them."
:kick: & R

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:54 PM
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4. It's like we need a Democraticunderground,

again.

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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:44 PM
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17. A whole lot of us DUers have been
saying this even BEFORE he won the election. It's the ONLY thing that makes sense as to why President Change seems to be quite comfortable with the status quo. He's dancin' with the ones that brung him.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 07:29 AM
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29. Sorry, it's a fansite now. n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:57 PM
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5. sign up for Accountability Now updates or donate- this is org can actually bring change...
remember that? "change we can believe in"? seems so long ago and far away.

http://accountabilitynowpac.com/

VOTERS, NOT ELITES, SHOULD CHOOSE THEIR REPRESENTATIVES
Accountability Now PAC announced today that it opposed efforts by elites to deny Pennsylvania Democrats their right to choose a candidate for U.S. Senate. Powerbrokers claim to have promised Senator Arlen Specter a “clear field” in next spring’s Democratic Primary for U.S. Senate.

“We believe that primaries play a critical role in empowering voters, and we oppose ongoing efforts to deny Pennsylvania Democrats their right to choose who represents them in the Senate,” said Jane Hamsher, founder of Firedoglake.com and co-founder of Accountability Now. “Senator Specter certainly deserves a fair hearing from Democrats, but Pennsylvania Democrats have the right to hear from alternative voices who may be closer to their views on critical issues.”

“Elites believe that primaries are messy,” said Glenn Greenwald of Salon.com and co-founder of Accountability Now. “Accountability Now believes that nothing focuses the mind of a politician on listening to citizens better than a primary.”

“Accountability Now PAC is not prejudging the Pennsylvania Democratic primary,” said Accountability Now’s new Executive Director, Jeff Hauser. “We will follow closely voices from Pennsylvania about how well Senator Specter is serving their state, and take our cues accordingly. Ultimately, it is the Democrats of Pennsylvania who should choose their Senate nominee, not the DC Establishment.”
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:59 PM
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6. Where is the evidence for these?
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 12:59 PM by redqueen
"that Obama has repeatedly sought to empower the Baucus-dominated Senate Finance Committee at the expense of more progressive committees; that the White House aggressively threatens, berates, and cajoles House progressives who impede the President's agenda but hasn't done anything against Blue Dogs"

There are more claims in this piece that I'd want to know more about, but let's just start with those.

Thanks in advance.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:01 PM
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7. don't hold your breath.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:14 PM
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9. lol... I'm trying to be fair here!
:P
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:24 PM
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12. you're welcome-in advance :) -- WH Browbeats Dem Freshmen: "You'll Never Hear From Us Again" HUFFPO
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/12/white-house-browbeats-dem_n_214870.html

White House Browbeats Dem Freshmen On War Money: "You'll Never Hear From Us Again"

The White House is playing hardball with Democrats who intend to vote against the supplemental war spending bill, threatening freshmen who oppose it that they won't get help with reelection and will be cut off from the White House, Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.) said Friday.

"We're not going to help you. You'll never hear from us again," Woolsey said the White House is telling freshmen. She wouldn't say who is issuing the threats, and the White House didn't immediately return a call.

Woolsey said she herself had not been pressured because the White House and leadership know she's a firm no vote. But she had heard from other members about the White House pressure.

"Nancy's working with it. It's going to be a very close vote," Rep. Jack Murtha (D-Penn.), a close ally of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Friday. "We don't have any Republican leeway, so far we have no Republican going to vote for it."


(more at link)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:25 PM
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13. Thank you... that at least backs up one half of one assertion.
:hi:
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:31 PM
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20. In what way?
Rep. Lynn Woolsey claims that some unnamed person or persons in the White House is making threats towards unnamed Dem Congressional freshmen. She herself hasn't gotten such threats and doesn't identify who told her that such was being done. I haven't heard of anyone else coming forward and backing up Rep. Lynn Woolsey's claim.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:49 PM
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21. Yes... well it backs it up in a very flimsy way.
Which is more than we can say for the more serious accusations in that article.

I wish it weren't so fucking easy to divide the left. *sigh*
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 03:06 AM
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24. Obama mentioned Baucus over and over in his Montana town hall speech.
Edited on Sat Aug-29-09 03:12 AM by cui bono
And he constantly says that Grassley is working oh so hard to negotiate a good bill, even after Grassley lied about the death panels. Seems to me that's the only committee he keeps mentioning, of course I could have missed him mentioning the others as much, but I haven't heard him mention any others, not even Kennedy's bill. Sure feels like he's pushing that one.

And how much have you heard about other committees on the MSM? I think neither wants anyone to know about any other committees. Rethuglicans don't either. They keep saying "the bill" as if there's only one out there.

Also, Rahmbo told progressives to stop attacking the Blue Dog Dems.

Single Payer was off the table from the start. Closed door deals being made with big pharma and then denied, then memos leaked that they did actually happen.

I don't know if that's enough evidence but it sure seems to me like that's what's happening.

Our govt. as a whole is bought and paid for and we are not the owners.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 09:40 AM
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30. Nothing will do except signed notarized statements by Rahm and President Obama
Anything else you read that is written by progressives and journalists is just ugly rumors.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 09:45 AM
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32. Why do you say such cruel things about The Leader?
People might get the wrong idea about you!
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 09:43 AM
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31. As far as empowering the Finance Committee, you could read this.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:09 PM
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8. This seems like an accurate description
of the way the Whitehouse is operating. When I supported Obama over Hilary, I really had no idea that this was what we'd be getting from the Obama administration. I certainly don't "hate" Barak Obama, but he's not the man I thought he was.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:18 PM
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10. another great passage from the column:
Nobody suggests that the President could easily or single-handedly change the behavior of Kent Conrad or Mike Ross. But there's certainly things -- effective things -- he could do to try, including making it more difficult for those politicians to stay in office, exactly as they threaten to do with defiant progressives. But they don't do that. They do the opposite. The reason that Blue Dogs and "centrists" exert such control in the Democratic Party and are able to ensure the Party remains beholden to corporate interests is because that's how Party leaders want it. That's how the Democratic Party has been built and it's how they continue to maintain their power.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:19 PM
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11. How do they do that with defiant progressives?
How do they do the opposite with corporatists?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:25 PM
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14. Rec 25. What no DU blue dogs in this thread. Hmm. nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:59 PM
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15. the usual "Greenwald is a hack" posters must by busy writing love letters to Alan Colmes
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:33 PM
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16. Yesterday they were busy attacking Sen Ted Kennedy and sticking up for Laura Bush. nt
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:06 PM
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18. Of course they do
IF Obama is as smart as everyone says he is he will dump the whole kit & kaboodle.
Otherwise his legacy will be worse than nothing. It will be sloganeering, pandering, lies and cowardice along with wishful thinking that if he gives 'pukes anything they would actually respect him and not try to destroy him as they did with CLinton and many other Democrats.
Make no mistake, all that Fail will influence people's expectations and votes regarding future black candidates.

Look to the future, as it now stands it's not good at all.

There's a lot more hanging on Obama's legacy than just himself, and all he lacks is one thing:
Principles
, which he should have learned just by observing Ted and learning from Bobby, Jack and Martin Luther King, Jr., they who NEVER for a moment veered from their course.

...these lessons certainly won't be learned from one such as Rahm or any of the others he's surrounded himself with.

He still has a chance to turn it all around. God/dess willing he takes that road.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 03:15 AM
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25. Why is every Dem afraid of the Rethuglicans?

I wish they would fucking fight and stand for something.

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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 02:47 PM
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34. That's the key question
Edited on Sat Aug-29-09 02:52 PM by Cherchez la Femme
The right wing propaganda, perhaps?
IMO that's the ONLY reason Obama didn't hire his own U. S. Attorneys

Or is it money from lobbyists?
In ANY other country in the world, Lobbyism = Bribery.

:shrug:
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 03:22 PM
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35. Yeah, the right wing propaganda, that's what I mean.
Edited on Sat Aug-29-09 03:24 PM by cui bono
Why do the Dems always back down and act too polite? I know the MSM is corporate owned and all that, but come on, I would bet that if Dems started being forceful and calling the lies what they are instead of pussy footing around the media would have to start covering it and the people would be have the Dems back. If they were standing up for the people that is.

It is true that lobbying must be outlawed. It so clearly is bribery. But then we have a SCOTUS decision saying money = free speech. :puke:

I swear I am moving to Europe as soon as it is feasible. I always wonder what it is people mean when they say they love their (this) country. It seems that it's just a disclaimer nowadays that one has to say before making any criticism of the US. I would really love to see a list of what people love about this country. Not the people of the country, but the country, how it functions, how it runs.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:26 PM
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19. This was evident when Obama chose his cabinet.
Nothing but DLC Corporate Hacks, starting with Rahm.


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DemOkie Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:36 PM
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22. I don't post often
But this pisses me off. When the Repubs wanted to pass their damn tax breaks for the rich, they didn't worry about the moderates who might not go along. Hell no they said "full speed ahead". Why are we worrying so much about the wafflers now?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:48 PM
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23. They're gonna be confused as hell when Obama distributes the fifty page version.
Half the morans are going to "get it" and the rest are already a lost cause.

Medicare 4 Everyone
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 03:16 AM
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26. Are you saying Obama is going to go for Medicare for everyone?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 03:29 PM
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36. I'm hoping.
The cost is right, and he's let the crazies make all the noise they could for six weeks already - they've got nothing left.

Anything he proposes is going to look sane, mild and affordable after the wild accusations and outright lies that have dominated the discussion to this point.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 06:57 AM
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27. K&R
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 07:23 AM
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28. "They" believe that "we" have no where else to go!
The strongest Progressive alternative is the Green Party.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 10:00 AM
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33. Like:
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