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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:46 AM
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Boys get better grades at all-boys schools: study
Source: Reuters

WELLINGTON (Reuters Life!) – Boys get better grades at single-sex schools than when they're in mixed-gender schools, where girls consistently outperform them, a recent New Zealand study shows.

The study, based on the long-term Christchurch Health and Development Study at the University of Otago, compared the educational achievements of over 900 boys and girls who attended single-sex and coeducational secondary schools in New Zealand.

For students attending single-sex secondary schools, there was a slight tendency for males to outperform females.

For students attending co-educational schools, however, there was a clear tendency for girls to outperform boys, a pattern that continued when students were followed up to the age of 25.....

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090824/lf_nm_life/us_school_gender



Makes sense given the lack of distraction.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:51 AM
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1. Girls do better in all girls classes, too, especially from middle school
onward. By the last couple of years of high school, when they've pretty much grown up, it doesn't seem to make much difference. However, those years when their bodies are changing don't seem to be very good ones for mixed classes.

Unfortunately, separate but equal is rarely equal. Perhaps classes should be same sex, teachers teaching both sexes at different times during the day.

It would be an interesting experiment to try.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:00 AM
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2. I went to Sweet Briar College, one of the last independent all women's college.
And small classes. A lot of students "got their voices" and participated in classes for the first time in their academic careers. One theory is girls/women are intimidated by men in their classes. I noticed the difference about speaking out in class when I returned to co-ed classes in law school. The professor simply asked about which historical figure in WWII hid masterpiece paintings in salt mines. Nobody responded, so I raised my hand, and answered Herman Goering. From behind me was a distinct male Greek chorus of "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . . . " in a derisive tenor. I knew I was no longer in Sweet Briar.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:35 AM
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5. But even if those boys back then showed signs of masculine anti-intellectualism...
This is - for all female indignation in the world - about how boys may benefit from separate classes. Somehow, they start underperforming in a co-ed environment. I would like to know the cause of that, before we steer the conversation into the all-too-familiar "how men oppress women".
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:59 AM
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15. I think the reason why boys underperform around girls is practically self-evident.
Their attention is on the girls, not on the schoolwork.

It is a testosterone-induced vestige of millions of years of evolution, the urge to procreate.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:30 AM
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32. No! It's because boys mature more slowly than women.
The brains of the boys catch up but it takes them longer. Moms. Be especially careful to avoid putting your boy in school too early. Be sure he is not only ready to read and perform the intellectual tasks required but that he is physically mature enough (so he can compete in sports) and prepared to sit still and focus for long periods.

Read Outliers and you will find out why it is so important to make sure that your children are ready for school in every way.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:50 PM
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38. While probable, this explanation is not self-evident.
It may be too simplistic to reduce every male action to some procreative urge. It may even be slightly sexist to define a man by his member, just as women should not be defined by their uterus.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:27 AM
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31. Women in my law school classes were strangely silent.
You'd think that the kinds of women who choose to go to law school would not be intimidated in classes. But, in law school, a few of us older students taped the lectures and noticed that we rarely heard women's voices. The women performed just as well on exams but didn't speak much in class. Maybe that has changed now, but it sure surprised us then.

We older women did most of the speaking that we heard. Women talk a lot in general, so I was very surprised by this.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:10 PM
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35. I read an article years ago
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 01:13 PM by wickerwoman
(sorry, can't remember the author) which made an argument along the lines that boys are taught that challenging other opinions is the way to learn, while women are more likely to accept the basic premise of the original material and then add or modify it.

This was kind of true (although certainly not always true) in writing classes I taught. Boys would have stronger, more idiosyncratic arguments in their papers but would often misinterpret or be unfair to the source material in their rush to disagree. Girls had slightly better reading comprehension, were more likely to paraphrase the original author's argument correctly or understand nuances in it, but didn't criticize the text as much or go so far with their own arguments.

The women might be silent in law classes because they are taking longer to digest the thing they are responding to. Meanwhile, the men are jumping in with criticisms right away.

In middle/high school, the focus is more on reading comprehension, giving girls an advantage. In college, the focus shifts to argumentation which may give men an advantage.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:33 AM
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12. I suspect that girls sent to all-girls schools have parents that encourage them
as opposed to mixed sex schools, where the parents probably don't push their daughters to except in school, only to pass with acceptable grades.

it's probably not the schools so much as the parents.

Perhaps a semi-mixed school where boys n girls attend the same classes separately, as someone suggested, is not such a bad idea.

At the very least it's worth 1 school year in a few schools across the country.

Being a normal school you still have gender interaction, but you have classes that allow each gender to work w/o worrying what the other will think of them.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:55 AM
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14. I'm referring to the few pilot programs in public schools
that have had separate male and female math classes.

When the programs were running, they found that female students completely lost their math anxiety and blossomed.

The male students stopped preening and acting out and did the work.

The sexes attending the same classes at different times was my idea and wouldn't involve building new facilities or hiring new teachers. The kids could still socialize in the halls, library and cafeteria.

I just wish more districts would try it. It seems to have worked where it's been done.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:37 AM
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18. It does sound like a great idea.
IF we have kids here I think i'll send them to single sex schools.
One nice thing about holland is it has a working voucher like system.
As long as a school takes money from the state they are required to meet certain standards.
This makes for smaller, specialized schools where kids can get a better education - at least in theory.
While I support the public school system, I'm starting to wonder if it's all it's cracked up to be.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:49 AM
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19. I'm a product of public education
in the south after the age of 10, which is when I rebelled at my fine Catholic education and threatened my parents that I'd tell everybody I was an atheist if they didn't spring me.

I realized from the get-go that my education would largely be in spite of them rather than because of them. I was a voracious reader, and that took care of the humanities. They did a rather good job of math and science and got me well started in French. I really can't complain about public education. I think it does a good job with kids who are academically talented and willing to do the work.

The best private schools in the country won't work on lazy dunderheads. Gee Dubya is ample proof of that.

I wish we'd start investing more in public education in this country, upgrading schools and raising teacher salaries to attract better teachers. We've also got to stop the dumbing down process. A good first step would be to stop allowing Texas to vet all textbooks because of their huge purchasing power.

Public schools can be the greatest strength any country has, especially this one, if we correct the problems.

If we don't, we're right on schedule to become a banana republic.

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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:00 AM
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25. Don't get me wrong, I'm a product of Public education as well
despite that I got what I feel was a rather good education anyway :)

My point about the public schools here is they DON'T suffer because of the system. Parents simply choose which school to send their kids to. Technically they're all "public" but the specialized schools have certain requirements - mostly about faith and that kind of crap.

To be honest I would rather my kid have the same education I had growing up. I don't feel that the Dutch teach their kids enough outside of the essentials. 16 years (some 14) and you're out into the real world, or off to a trade school for most. Some kids are able to do the university route but not nearly as many as in the states. The up side is that IF you make it, it's much LESS expensive than in the US for a proper University level education.

The down side is that Jr. College completely does not exist here...at all.

Believe me class-ism is quite alive and well in the old country, despite what they may protest to the contrary.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:00 AM
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26. damit dupe
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 10:00 AM by comtec
delete.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:20 AM
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3. I have always supported single sex education, as long as it's optional
Interestingly, as Christina Hoff Summers notes in her book "The War Against Boys" many feminist groups only support single sex education if it's for girls. They find all boys classes to be "sexist", but not all girls classes.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:36 AM
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33. I came from a family that was all girls.
I don't think I would have known much more than that boys existed had I not gone to a mixed gender school.

I am reminded of a friend who went to a convent school in Europe and was married before she knew anything about the birds and bees (to use the language of the day). Co-ed schools are a good thing. Children should be tested for maturity before starting school. Boys just mature more slowly than girls.

That can be easily understood if you think about the fact that many boys are bedwetters long after the age at which most girls are mature enough to stay dry all night.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:33 AM
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4. Lets segregate by race too!
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:59 AM
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16. Really! WTF is this study trying to proove
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:57 AM
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24. oh don't worry, they're arguing for that as well
i've seen several claims put forward over the years that black males need to be sent to separate schools -- exactly the same argument is made, that they supposedly get better grades if they do

amazing how, at the end of the day, there's always some bullshit reason why people have to be segregated

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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:39 AM
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6. Wait a minute...so, if you take away the competition, they get better grades?
Do they learn more or are we just playing with statistics?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:30 AM
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11. How exactly does this takes away the competition?
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:48 AM
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13. it says that the girls out-perform the boys
Are they grading strictly on a set percentage scale or a curve? that would be affected by the level of competition. Are the tests used the same between schools/classes? There are just too many variables involved.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:52 AM
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22. we all perform better when the tough competitors are removed
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 09:53 AM by pitohui
hence the reason why for all of time and history men have pressed very hard to keep from competing with women

boys/men are happy to compete where they have a huge edge (such as physical strength) but get into an arena involving thought and focus and they'll pull every sordid stunt (other than, you know actually comparing fairly) to pull the woman back down in the bucket-- this, at the end of the day, is what sexual harassment, old boys network, etc. is all about -- making sure the woman can't compete on a level playing field because if she did, chances that she could win and the male ego (of a lot of males) simply can't tolerate this

you can say, oh well, boys are more easily distracted, and you know what? by saying that you are admitting then that boys don't have the same focus nor do they put the same care into their studies

people of either gender who prefer to focus on wanking rather than their studies should not be given special help and they certainly don't deserve the same grades

i mean, think about it -- what's the assumption here -- that GAY males don't get distracted, that somehow they're able to focus just fine in a classroom full of hotties -- it's only STRAIGHT males who are idiots????

i think there is a small but measurable number of straight males who are indeed idiots but to punish all boys by assuming all boys are idiots who can't be socialized to be with all kinds of people...just ridiculous
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:54 AM
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23. You don't get it, Boys do not compete WITH girls - they compete FOR girls.
And the last thing on boys' minds in a mixed gender math class is math.

No boy wants to ever look the fool in front of a girl - so rather than try, and fail, academically the boys feign to despise academics. A boy, a teenage boy, is far more prone to stand up and say 'I don't know' when only around other boys, whereas the need to impress a girl leaves him only two options if asked something he doesn't know - to bullshit an answer or to say 'who gives a fuck?'. Admitting 'I don't know' is NOT an option. Think about the boys you were in school with - how many were there whose only contribution to class was 'who gives a fuck?' Whether the class clown or jock or the sullen punk, that was always them saying 'I don't know'.

I can't speak for how girls fare in mixed vs single-gender settings, but I'm sure there are similar dynamics involved. But I suspect one reason girls do better is there is no cultural onus on girls for not having all the answers, as there is for boys.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:00 AM
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27. actually some boys are probably gay, so what does that do to the argument?
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 10:01 AM by pitohui
should we test everybody when they're like three and send them only to schools of their own orientation/sex/race etc.

to function in the real world you're going to need to be able to turn your brain on whether or not there are girls present

if you can't, being put in a separate class so you don't have to be graded on a curve with competitors who DO focus does you no long term service

it's just humoring you and humoring the fucking parents

at the end of the day, when you go to college, when you go to job, your dick is going to have stay in your pants and you're going to have to learn to focus -- i don't see any advantage to waiting until you're in your twenties and have screwed up several opportunities before you realize, oh fuck, why didn't someone give me a chance to learn about focus when i was 11?

the gay boys are learning to focus and control, or do you propose that they also get a separate class?

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:52 AM
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28. That is a bogus argument and you know it.
As I stated, it is NOT about girls having some mystical power that keeps boys from concentrating. It is about the cultural imperative that boys must always have 'the answer'. It is the expectation on boys to KNOW shit. Of course, being in school, they DON'T know shit. Between themselves, that's OK. But in front of the girls it is decidedly NOT OK; therefore, the bullshitting or posturing to cover up for their ignorance, which in reality gets in the way of the learning that they are bullshitting or posturing about.

That dynamic does not apply to gays - it isn't the raging hormones, but the cultural conditioning that is at work. The gay boys don't have their place in the pecking order at stake, in so far as the girls are concerned, and while they are still somewhat subject to the 'gotta be right' expectation, there is considerably less of it because the girls are not who they have to show their excellence off to - they are therefore not as prone to bullshitting and posturing when they don't know the answer - they react as the other boys would when in an all-boy class. They actually have the advantage that girls have of being allowed to be wrong because who are they trying to impress? The girls? The straight boys?

It is not about distraction. It is about cultural conditioning, which is well in place long before middle-school.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:23 AM
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30. Nothing at all.
If some are, then there were gay boys in both the mixed-sex and single-sex classrooms, and they were averaged in.

Now, if you managed to get a mixed-sex class in which a large percentage of the boys were gay then you'd have a distinct outlier in the stats as far as this study was concern. But then again, such a class would already be a statistical outlier.


As for dealing with 1-2% of the population, most educational systems tend to ignore them unless there are political pressures skewing the default distribution of resources.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:14 PM
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37. It isn't the competitions -- It's the distractions
I would have gotten a lot better grades in school if I hadn't spent so much time checking out the girls in class.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:44 AM
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7. I am in favor of sending boys/girls to single gender schools.
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 08:24 AM by OneTenthofOnePercent
But I also support the parents to choose if they want thier kids attending one or not.

I attended a private school... co-ed. However, there were some days set aside where just guys came to school and then just girls. I can say with certainty, that on the all guys days school was fantastic. You can focus on school without worrying about things like image, popularity, impressing girls, listening to girls, being macho.... etc. Most of all, it was QUIET and the atmosphere was WAY better for just about about everything. All boys days were, in short, better.

Also, I am friends with alot of guys who attended single gender schools. Once we got past calling them queer, we realized that they had the much better experience. That, coupled with my own experience of all-boys days pretty much cements the fact that I'd like my kids to go to single gender schools, if I am fortunate enough ($$).

I can't comment on how nice the all girls days were, but I can only imagine it was hell.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:13 AM
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8. roflma, i imagine the all girl days would be hell
if possible i want my kids to attend classes that are not mixed as well, i to believe that it is better for both my son and daughter to learn in this kind of atmosphere...
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:27 AM
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9. This is utter crap. Boys get lower grades with pretty girls in the room. DUH!
Guys think about sex every fifeteen secomds. The problem is, just cuz you remove all women doesnt make man perform better. He still builds bridges and rockets to impress women.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:29 AM
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10. The study seems to refute your claim. nt
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:03 AM
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17. Actually, the study supports his or her claim.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:52 AM
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21. New Zealand eom
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:14 PM
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36. So with no girls in the room they stop thinking about sex?
And their grades get better?

:rofl:

Everything would improve if everything were sex segregated then! Male doctors would do a better job if there were no female doctors or nurses around! Right? According to your post it follows.

Just separate the sexes entirely and men can move mountains!

It's those damn women being so distracting (er, excuse me, only the "pretty" ones).

Eliminate pretty women! Imagine how things will improve for humanity! We could cure cancer! Put men on the moon alone with no women and imagine what they could achieve up there!

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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:15 PM
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42. Yes! We can set up breeding farms! Put the pretty women there!
:rofl: (What an ignorant claim that was he made, huh?)
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:51 AM
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20. Having taught at a girls Catholic high school, I'd have to agree.
It all depends on who's running it, though. The girls school I taught in was top-notch and regularly beat out all of the area boys schools at the science fair and sent girls to the international science fair every year, and that wasn't the only area we shone in. The big boys school in the area, though, was run by sexist schmucks, and I know I got the point that I hated dealing with their students at dances and such. The smaller boys school closer to us was run by better men, and their students were a lot better and a lot less sexist.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:11 AM
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29. I have to wonder what's actually being measured here.
If all-boys schools award higher grades, that would seem to be indicative of a problem.

Checking in later in life, are we simply seeing the result of higher expectations?
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:52 AM
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34. Please tell me nobody is surprised by this. nt
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:09 PM
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39. I certainly see why this would be
and not just the sex thing. I am gay and was gay back then but I still would have been better off in an all boys school. Boys serve certain, well defined roles, in a mixed setting. If, as a boy, you aren't able to fill that role then you get shit for it. I didn't realize this until I met people who had gone to all boys schools who had had the musical and intellectual interests I had had as a teen. Since some boys were expected to take on the more femine roles in the all boys school, he didn't get picked on to the degree I had for the same behavior. Admittedly he was straight to my gay but it isn't like I copped to it back then anyway.
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:10 PM
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40. This not surprising
Girls and boys tend to do better in middle and high school without being around each other.

The boys have nothing to compete for except good grades. The same for the girls. Less worrying about who likes whom and who is going with whom and more work.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:14 PM
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41. "lack of distraction"? yes, because 8 year old boys are thinking only of sex with girls.
What a stupid statement to make. :eyes:
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:18 PM
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43. You obviously do not know what a secondary school is. nt
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:17 PM
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44. Could it be that we are measuring education based on MALE standards
Men and women are different, Males are physically stronger, but have less endurance then women (Provided similar training which is rarely the case, thus males long distance running still exceeds women's long distance running, but the curve that both are on as to increase speeds show women should pass men in long distance races sometime in the next 20 years, this is do to top runners tend to get the best training but women's training is still not yet up to males training level).

Other differences exist, males lower voices are harder to locate and can travel further then women's high pitch voices (Children also have high pitch voices, for apparently the same reason, easier to locate by their parents). Males center of Gravity is the middle of their Chest, a Woman's center of gravity is center around the single most powerful muscle in the Human body, the muscle used to push out the baby during child birth). Men's hands tend to be twice the mass as a female's hand (area wise only about 1/3 bigger but in cubic size double).

Intellectual differs are also noted but it is harder to say their are innate or cultural derived. For example men tend to have a better sense of direction, but is this innate or the product of being permitted to travel alone or as a leader of other children? The latter would be a result of Cultural basis (I mention this for men consistently do better on the issue of direction then women, but a study of London Cab drivers brain of about 10 years ago show that such cabbies, all males, had a larger then normal area of their brain that is tied in with direction, such cabbies constantly used that part of the brain to go to various locations in London, the constant use meant such people developed that part of the brain more then the average person. Women could be suffering from the same developmental fact, since most times their father, brother, boyfriend or husband drives the car, women do not use that part of the brain and thus it is NOT as developed as the males brain the women go out with. This would be a cultural difference, but a difference none the less).

Traditionally males have been viewed as having a better sense of direction and math skills then women. The London Cabbie study (Done by autopsies of the cabbies as their died of old age) indicate a sense of direction is more a product of using direction as opposes to be innate. Males superiority in math seems to be similar, women do as while in math as do males till puberty, then fall behind (If permitted by their teachers) and never catch up that two years of lost math training (Those women who are NOT permitted to drop their math skills at puberty, do as while in math as males during and after that time, just like their did BEFORE puberty).

Now when I was in law school (late 1980s) a study was done and it was shown even female professors who made an effort to call on females, called on males more then females (as did male professors, they tended to call on Males more then Females). It seems to be innate. No one could determine why people call on males more then females. Now other studies that concentrated just on males may show WHY. Studies on hiring employees indicate people (Both male and female) tend to place higher value the taller the candidate is. If you are fat or suffer from a disability, this is held against you but the biggest strike against (or for) a candidate is his or her height. A further factor is size (NOT fat but Size) people with broader shoulders tend to be called on more then people with smaller body builds. Note this study was among MALE CANDIDATES for the job so sex was NOT a factor EXCEPT when it comes to the issue of being tall and broad. Women lose out in both those categories to males. The deep voice carry further. People tend to place unstated value on these three characteristics (Unstated in the sense the people studied all denied it, some even tried to make it a non-issue but all of them favored taller larger males over anyone smaller and thiner).

Given the above, most men do NOT have to be as good as a Woman, they will get hired over a woman unless she is clearly superior (Not marginally, but clearly i.e Male is a D student, Woman is a A student, man still has a shot at the job).

AS to the distraction of women in the same class room, the studies show no difference between pre-puberty and post puberty class participation. Males and Females, pre-puberty, are more often in two rival camps even in the same school, the rival camps do not dissolved till puberty sets in and even then survives to a certain degree, especially among males. The reason I bring this up is the distraction of sex is NOT a factor pre-puberty and post puberty is more an excuse then a reason (If it was true, males test scores should decline when puberty sets in for women would then be a distraction, but only women's math scores decline and that appears more cultural then innate).

I bring this up for the reason for the difference may not be anything innate but that we are using a standard that favors one sex over another. I once watch a documentary showing the difference between males and females, one of the thing that different men and women is how both sexes attack problems. Males tend to rely and use their greater physical strength, women tend to use their lower center of gravity and smaller hands. Men tend to walk away and look at something and try to figure out the best way to use their strength to solve the problem. Women tend to pick away at the problem till it is solved (This has come out in Computer programing, males tend to walk away and look at the big picture, women hammer away at the problem till it is solved, till the late 1990s the male handling of most computer problem was the quicker solution, but since that time most computer programs have become so complex you can no longer see the whole thing even as a concept, thus the female way of handling problems have some out on top at the present time).

One of the problems with Schools is often the "Big Picture" is to big for anyone to see, and thus men's strength as seeing the "big picture" is no longer an asset. On the other hand woman's ability to keep at something till the problem is solved is a big asset in many advance education program (This was known by 1900, but while you had a larger percentage of women going to Collage in 1900 then you did in 1950, men were able to used that education to obtain a better job more then the women could do so in 1900 and even more so by 1950). Again the difference was the ability to work as a member of a team, men tend to do that better then women (Which may be cultural for I have worked with women moving heavy objects, if the woman had experience with moving heavy objects, like tables etc, I had no problem with them, if the woman had NEVER had such experience then she tended NOT to be able to work with me in moving the object, again more a produce of Culture then anything innate but the tendency of women to commit themselves to their mate NOT their team I have seen, males tend to balance between mate and team much more then women do but again more a product of Culture than anything innate).

Now, I bring up the tendency of "Team" as oppose to "Pair" for women tend to "pair" with a man, while men tend to "team" up with other males. In School "teams", when it comes to testing, are either not allowed (viewed as "Cheating") or otherwise discouraged. "Pairs" tend to be two people who compliment each other, thus rarely work as a "Team" (Except when the complimentary strengths make such a pair-team the best way to handle a problem). Given that a Pair needs two people who have different strengths, each can train and be tested as an individual. Given this situation Women are bound to do better then Men, for Women are NOT "team" players like men but part of a pair (with a Man). Schools tend to favor Individuals over "teams" (and even "pairs") but "pairs" (as defined herein) tend to mimic individuals much better then "teams". Thus the strength of women, the ability to constantly pick at a problem, to operate alone (Their "mate" may be elsewhere) even their lower center of gravity and smaller hands all help them better mimic an individual that Schools (In theory) want to educate. Thus women do better for the system is geared in favor of women.

Now, most of the time, systems are geared in favor of males, for example one police department had a test requiring police cadets to haul a male officer 50 feet. Most Men (not all) could do that, most woman could NOT (Lack of upper body strength). Asked when was the last time such an action was called for, no one could give a date for that police Department or any other police department. It was simply a way to make women NOT eligible to be a police officer by using a male standard of strength. The fact that women tend to be viewed as less confrontational then men were ignored for that would favor women, that police test was to favor males. No one is stupid enough today to insist that you have to stand up to piss to being hired (That is clearly a pro-male ruling) but as you can see from above you do NOT have to go that far, just pick a standard that favors males (Or if you want to favor women, a standard that favors women). Almost all of the time the standard picked is a male standard, talk is given to equal rights and equal opportunity, but the Rights and opportunity is based on MALES Standards. In the case of Schools these standards are under strain, women are no longer dropping out after High School to have Children, women are going to high school and collage and in areas where team work or strength is NOT a factor males are losing out to females.

One final note, in the above I mention "teams" and "pairs" I do NOT mean to say or imply women can NOT work as a member of a "team", just that most women never developed that ability (Little leagues only started to take in girls in the 1980s, baseball is a "team" sport and women have done well in it except when it comes to body strength as shown in how while girls are doing in Little League until the time boys get their growth spurt). What I am saying is women tend to go with a pair bonding while males tend to balance between the two. Males want a mate AND be a member of a team. Women want a mate AND to take care of her Children. Males want children, but children tend to be below membership in a team AND their mate. Women want to be a member of a team, but it is third string after their children and their mate. I am talking tendency NOT absolutes thus exceptions to the above are NOT uncommon, but the trend is to the above.
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