FBI trained white supremacist to incite others: lawyer

[Ichingcarpenter]

Nearly a month after revealing that white supremacist radio host Hal Turner was an FBI informant, his lawyer claimed that the "New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for allegedly making threats against lawmakers and judges was trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative," the Associated Press reports.

Turner was arrested on June 24 for allegedly calling for the murder of three judges who supported the Chicago gun ban. The confession by his attorney came at a bond hearing last month.

"Attorney Michael Orozco <...> said his client gave authorities information about a plot to assassinate President Barack Obama," reported the Associated Press in July.

His recent arrest came after a complaint about an overt call for the murder of three judges......snip

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/fbi-trained-nj-blogger-to-incite-others-lawyer/


From Wired NEWS...............snip

Bill Carter, an FBI spokesman, said in a telephone interview the bureau’s policy is “to neither confirm nor deny whether an individual has an association with the FBI.”

Turner’s alleged 5-year-long bureau stint ended sometime in 2007, Orozco said, the year the mischievous online group, Anonymous, briefly shuttered his site — turnerradionetwork.blogspot.com — with a denial of service attack. At the time, hackers also posted what appeared to be private e-mails between Turner and the FBI.

The e-mails are legitimate, said Orozco. The FBI approached Turner, now 47, in 2002, and he spewed rhetoric about politics, white supremacy, immigration, abortion and other hot-button issues for years in exchange for government cash.




http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/lawyer-fbi-paid-right-wing-blogger-charged-with-threats/

[Truth2Tell]

1. posted this earlier today

and it sank like a stone.

[slampoet]

8. I posted it too. Same result.

Sorry to double post on ya.

[Truth2Tell]

9. it's all good. I think this is an important story.

the more posts the better. :)

[EFerrari]

2. I have no idea why anyone trusts the FBI or CIA to do anything else.

:shrug:

[ThomCat]

10. Seriously, they've been found out so many times

to be doing things against the best interest of the US that anyone who trusts them by now is naive.

Training a neonazi to cause more trouble in exchange for information about other neonazi's who join him in causing trouble is just inventing crime so that they can make themselves look good when they break it up. I guess finding crimes they didn't create is too much like hard work. x(

[JDPriestly]

3. I have never heard this man, not as far as I know. That is why

you don't get responses. DUers don't listen to that kind of nonsense.

[Hannah Bell]

4. "agent provocateur"

Harold Charles "Hal" Turner is an American white nationalist and white supremacist from North Bergen, New Jersey. He was arrested in June 2009 over alleged threats to politicians, and is currently jailed without bail. Prior to Turner's arrest his program, The Hal Turner Show, was a webcast from his home once a week, and it depended on listener donations.

Turner promotes antisemitism (including the rounding up and killing of Jews)<1>, he opposes the existence of the state of Israel<1> and he denies the Holocaust.<2>

According to the Associated Press Hal Turner has exposed through his attorney that he worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and "his job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest" <3>

Identifying himself as "Hal from North Bergen", Turner became notable in American conservative circles as a frequent caller to WABC radio talk shows hosted by Bob Grant and Sean Hannity.<4> Turner parlayed this fame into a role as the northern New Jersey coordinator for Patrick J. Buchanan's 1992 presidential campaign. He went on to serve as campaign manager for Libertarian Party candidate Murray Sabrin in New Jersey in the 1990s, including a 1997 gubernatorial campaign.<5>

Turner reportedly established a friendship with Sean Hannity, on whose program he was a frequent presence.<4> However, when confronted by the New Black Panther Party's Malik Zulu Shabazz in 2008 about his association with Turner (in light of Hannity's scrutiny of Barack Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright), Hannity at first denied knowing Turner, then said he had banned Turner from his radio station, and that he never supported Turner's views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner


the militia/neo-nazi movement = provoked & funded by intelligence agencies

our political landscape = psy-ops

[orleans]

5. how crazy/insane is that? (i'm not saying i don't believe what you posted

i'm just saying it's crazy!)

why the hell would the fbi do that? what purpose is it serving besides to make/stir up more craziness in this country?

[Hannah Bell]

7. stirring up "craziness" & getting ahold of folks liable to "craziness" = purpose

[orleans]

13. but for what reason? that's the thing i don't understand...what real

purpose does it serve other than to provoke violence and chaos? and then, what purpose does having violence & chaos serve?

i just don't get it.

[ThomCat]

15. It is an easy way for law enforcement to get results

without a lot of effort or risk. It's very easy to catch a criminal if you know in advance who the criminal will be and where the crime will be because you set it all up. :(

With all the constant demand for big results, and the politicization of law enforcement it was inevitable that they would cut some corners to make sure they get results, and to make sure they got results in the "right" places.

So if politicians and the news are screaming about those damned lefty peace activists being traitors and terrorists, they infiltrate peace activists and try to "prove" that peace activists are traitors and terrorists by convincing some to become violent. And if they can't convince anyone, they they commit the violence in the groups name and use that against the group as if the group is responsible. A typical "False Flag" attack.

[WeDidIt]

16. Job & Budget Security Program?

The presence of violence and chaos justifies dumping tons more money into the FBI and insures agents remain employed?

[slampoet]

17. I liken it to becoming a drug pusher and then arresting all the addicts you created.

[Hannah Bell]

21. 1. keep tabs on potential opposition, coopt/corrupt possible effective leaders, etc.

2. create cadres to be manipulated for political gain, e.g.

a) stirring up trouble/violence can be used to justify increased taxation/surveillance/law enforcement of general public

b) or to discredit certain lines of thought/courses of action, as the "new left" in the 60/70s was discredited by groups like weatherman, symbionese liberation army, etc.

c) or violence can be provoked at key moments in concert with political events (like bush w/ his terror alerts) to create manipulated "reality" for public

d) or arrests can be timed to show "results" for pet programs

etc.

[ThomCat]

11. Agent Provocateurs should be a huge scandal.

At every protest there are a few people who seem to be going out of their way to cause trouble, and almost invariably it turns out that they are undercover law enforcement. They are trying to create crime that they can then break up. Apparently, finding crime is too much like real work. So they need to entrap people.

Creating crime and creating criminals is apparently big business too, from the amount of effort they put into infiltrating every peace group, every vegan group, every environmental group, and apparently every neonazi group too. It is nice to know they aren't only infiltrating peaceful lefty groups to stir up trouble.

It seems like the only group they haven't tried to infiltrate and break up are the pro-choice groups. Go figure, one of the few groups that are really committing assassinations and terrorist attacks on American soil, and because they are "good Christians" they keep getting a free pass.

[orleans]

14. Agent Provocateurs absolutely should be a big scandal. n/t

[redqueen]

19. Should be... but the M$M doesn't think it'd get ratings, I guess.

Yeah, caues the M$M isn't complicit or anything... they're totally innocent of anything except greed and stupidity.

:sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

12. FBI was politicized from its inception. n/t

[Fire1]

23. Why would they do most of the clandestine shit they've

done for decades under the guise of national security? Of course, I'm a conspiracy theorist so I can just imagine their purpose.

[JDPriestly]

24. Thanks for the information. I would never listen to any of this kind of

extremist stuff. It just makes me feel like crying.

[TexasObserver]

6. Recommend

[MadMaddie]

18. So if this occurred which it sounds like it did

What is the probability that the accusations from the minority communities that cocaine and crack were pushed into the poor neighborhoods by the CIA during the 80's is true?

I think it is more than possible, the more that comes out about these criminals the more I believe it.

[Hannah Bell]

22. i think the use of drugs to pacify/coopt populations is very old. china

in time of opium wars up to the revolution had one of the highest percents of addiction in modern times, & there was both geo-political & economic motive in promoting that state of affairs.

[MadMaddie]

26. I didn't realize that...now I have to go read about it.

How did I end up with homework....geesh...:hi:

[Hannah Bell]

27. e.g.

1906 -

By this time China has an estimated 13.5 million addicts consuming 39,000 mt of opium a year. 27 percent of adult males are addicted - such a level of mass addiction has never been equaled before or since. (The level of addiction is only reduced after the 1948 revolution.) Also in 1906 Chinese production of opium reached 35,000 mt, representing 85 percent of the world supply.

http://www.irinnews.org/InDepthMain.aspx?InDepthId=21&ReportId=63040


opium, empire and the global political economy: trocki

40 million addicts in china 1890

http://books.google.com/books?id=DDNvkSC26bcC&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=percent+of+chinese+opium+addicts&source=bl&ots=L6sBc7GBjk&sig=ORrI9w1VUsUTFivqHykBkQzPPIE&hl=en&ei=lPeNSqbnC4j4sQO-15yECw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10

Book overview

Up-to-date, easy to read, and wide-ranging, this is the first comprehensive academic work to explore the growth and development of the opium trade in relation to imperialism and a global economy. The book provocatively links the general expansion of the European empires-from Columbus to Cornwallis to Conrad-and the growth of commercial capitalism specifically to the Asian opium trade. Trocki breaks new ground by considering the production and traffic in tobacco, sugar, alcohol, tea, as well as opium. In an age of awareness of large-scale drug use, this book takes a long look at the history of our relationship with mind-altering substances.

[MadMaddie]

28. I had no idea of the history of Opium.

Thanks for the link! :-)

[Hannah Bell]

29. you're welcome. if you're interested enough, check into the history of the merchants.

slave trade & opium trade were connected, & some of our finest blue bloods made their money in one trade or both, e.g. john forbes kerry's family: here's great-gramp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Blackwell_Forbes


grandpa born in shanghai:

James Grant Forbes was born in Shanghai, China, where the Forbes family of Boston amassed a fortune from the opium trade and merchant banking after the Opium Wars. He went to school in England and graduated from Harvard University. Forbes was a successful international lawyer and banker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Grant_Forbes


extended family:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bennet_Forbes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Murray_Forbes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Handasyd_Perkins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perkins_Cushing


forbes = opium

[MadMaddie]

30. Wow! I did not know that! Facinating read!

Thanks again!

:thumbsup:

[Echo In Light]

20. Thanks for posting

[Overseas]

25. K&R. Shines light on misguided federal agencies.

Would the FBI justify feeding this guy because he could help them catch extremists?

Never mind how many new extremists he would be creating in the process?

Is that some kind of job security program for the FBI?