Question: what % of an individuals' taxes will go to the proposed healthcare plan?

[intheflow]

I have a freeper family member on fb who's telling me the healthcare plan will take up 30% of an individuals' taxes. I know the military is about 35%, so I know he's spouting percentages out his ass, there's no way it would cost that much. I seem to remember reading an article on here saying it would be 1-2% of an individuals' taxes. Was that Krugman? Does anyone else remember that?

[geckosfeet]

1. How much does he pay for insurance now? My guess - it will be substantially less.

[intheflow]

3. He's career military.

:eyes:

[Hepburn]

6. Has he served in a combat zone?

Because if not, when he retires, yes, he gets VA benefits that have health care...but if NO service in combat, he does not get the full coverage with all the bells and whistles like dental and vision. And...if he has any source of income to him and his spouse, he is looking at a co-pay even if he was on active duty for a ba-zillion years ~~ even if he served in combat.

So he may be 49 right now and active military ~~ but those two statistics do not last forever.

:hi:

[intheflow]

7. Interesting!

He's career reserves. AFAIK, he's never served in a combat situation, though there's talk of sending him over to Iraq this year.

[geckosfeet]

13. Ah yes. 100% free (socialized) health care for him then. Why should he

give a flying fire truck about anyone else then? It is the classic 'I got mine screw everyone else' syndrome.

The military is IMO, the most shining example of a socialist organization existing in the US. The services provide free health care for their members. He is living in a privileged world.

[Cleita]

2. Go to the Physicians For a National Health Plan website.

http://www.pnhp.org. Either in "articles of interest" or FAQ you will find all the facts you need and I'm certain any article that Krugman wrote will be there. Since his insurance premiums and doctor copays will probably be costing about 35% by the time he reaches the age of 50, ask him what he's bellyaching about?

[intheflow]

4. He's 49.

And career military, so he has a good healthcare plan. He's got his, fuck the rest of us! :grr:

Thanks for the link! :hi:

[Hepburn]

5. If his/her tax rate is still the same, wtf difference does it make what %...

...goes to govt sponsored/involved health insurance?

It sure as hell would be a blessing to not have to be raped by the for-profit health insurance companies for their outrageous premiums...so who the hell cares how much of a tax dollar gets that monkey off the backs of working stiffs and provides coverage for the uncovered.

:hi:

[stray cat]

8. Whatever comes out to about 5,000-15,000 per year -

[ambientbuzz]

9. On this roughly this same subject...

A guy on a listserv I'm on keeps saying a version of this:
"Are you aware that a family with up to 400 percent of federal poverty guideline would be forced to pay up to 12.5% of their income for a policy?"

He's referenced this NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/health/policy/27health.html?_r=3&th&emc=th) that says:

Under the House bill and a similar measure approved by the Senate health committee, premium subsidies would be available to families with incomes up to four times the poverty level, or $88,200 for a family of four. With income at that level, a family could be required to pay as much as 12.5 percent of its income in premiums under the Senate bill and 11 percent under the House measure.

I think he's twisting the language, and deliberately ignoring other factors. Like, are there some sort of credits available for families making over 400% of the federal poverty level? Or, would that 12.5% be the case for families who want a gold plated plan -- for which they'd probably have to pay a high percentage of their income under the current health insurance regimen?

[4lbs]

10. President Obama plans to increase the marginal tax rate by several percent for those making more

than $250,000 per year.

Note, that's MARGINAL. So, only the amount of NET INCOME ABOVE $250,000 will pay a few more percent in income taxes.

Everyone else that makes less than $250,000 of net income annually, no tax increase.

[stray cat]

11. People seem to think health care is cheap. I'm glad employers subsidize mine

My employer pays about 12,000 per year that I don't have to pay.

[ThomWV]

12. I believe that in Britain it works out to about 8% of income on average.

If I'm understanding the numbers correctly on average about 8% of domestic income funds the National Health System, so you can assume ours would be similar. Oh, of course there's is a Single Payer system.