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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 03:39 AM
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Can I have some help with some RW email crap? (Notes from Mom)
I sent a note to Bartcop.com to see if Bart could help. He may not, but maybe you could. Anyhow, are you getting this stuff from anyone ?
(besides me, ;>))
Hey Bart,
I have a communications problem with someone, and have been sent two emails. I think the first one is a terrorist threat, and since I think the 9/11 events were an inside job and the london bombings another inside job (Like Cheney doing the Military exercise with planes flying into buildings, there was a London planing session of "what would we do if" and that is just what goes on that day), I ponder if this is just a warning of what "those on the inside" are planning:
______________________________________________________
Subject: FW:The Next Predicted Terrorist Attack

Everyone should have a plan of some kind, just in case this comes about.
 
 
AN ABSOLUTE MUST READ FOR EVERY AMERICAN!  READ AND JUST PASS IT ON.

Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based.. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard - she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.
 
In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, he shared information that EVERY American needs to know -- but that our government has not yet shared with us.
 
He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week.  At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show.  But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.
 
Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred.  His report specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments.  Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.
 

Now for his future predictions.  He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. Will occur within the next few months.
 
Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again.  Aviv believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective.
 
For example:
 
1) Our airport technology is outdated.  We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.
 
2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire.  Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes.  A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives.  Now we can't bring liquids on board.  He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked!  Every strategy we have is reactionary.
 
3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates.  Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in.  It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved.  In Israel, security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.
 

Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate.  (I. E., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.).
 
The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact), involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.
 
Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.
 
Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. Government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts.  The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant.
 
On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked.  Aviv says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons.  They like to use suicide as a front-line approach.  It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.
 
He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad.  But will be, instead, 'homegrown' - having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U. S.  He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East.  These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.
 
Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terrorist threats we will, inevitably, face.  America still has only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.
 
So, what can America do to protect itself?  From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence.  We need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help.  We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'.  Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism.  Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.
 
Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in f ive major cities.  The results?  Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out...in fact, in Chicago, someone tried to steal the briefcase!
 
In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!'  The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves.  But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.
 
Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about our schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there.  (In New York City, this was days, in some cases!)
 
He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terrorist emergency.  He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .
 
Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone?  Where would you gather in an emergency?  He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow.
 
Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the way that their bombs are detonated.
 
How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak?  You need to have a plan.
 
If you believe what you have just read, then you must feel compelled to send to every concerned parent or guardian, grandparents, uncles, aunts, whatever and whomever.  Nothing will happen if you choose not to do so, but in the event it does happen, this particular email will haunt you..."I should have sent this to..."
________________________________(end of first email)

What do you think of the above? Who starts these types of posts? How much do we know of this Aviv guy? A search brings up this page:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/juval-aviv.htm And this page: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/juvalaviv.asp Which says FALSE and goes on to say much. I can't seem to "copy and Paste" from that page, but it says his prediction was in 2005 and they couldn't find any time before the London bombings when he made that prediction. And No verifiable info of any warning before 9/11. These are the kind of lies that are being fed to the "sheep" to have them in a constant state of "wetting their collective pants". Just like the manufactured Health Care "Death Panels". (Which are in fact the Insurance Companies). Anyhow I was wondering what you could say about the one below, maybe add to my comments or clarify them.
_______________________________(start, second email)________________
I said that I wouldn't send any thing political but, you hate George Bush so much, i had to send this. Mom

What if George Bush Had...?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given
him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
< What did Gordon Brown give Obama?>

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this
embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?


If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it
off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes,
would you have approved?


If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was
the fourth of May (Cuatro de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as "proof" of what a dunce he is?


If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on "Earth Day", would you have concluded he's
a hypocrite?

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown
Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually "get" what happened on 9-11?

If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless
than in New Orlean , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do
so, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt,which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one
year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM,
would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry.
He's done all this in 6 months -- so you'll have three years and six months to come up with an answer.


That idea just scares the pants off of me!!!!!
-------------------------------------------(END OF SECOND EMAIL, things between < and > I have added.)---
I just don't know what to say to these accusations I have never heard of. I wish someone smarter than me could whip up some sharp responses, so I'm asking you....
Thanks Bart, (oh, and mom is real sensitive to harsh language. It's like a switch that turns off the function mode in the organic computer.)
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 03:49 AM
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1. There is a lot of stuff I posted < between these> above, but I had the squared off
< and > but all that has vanished, except "what did Gordon Brown give Obama?"
And I didn't add the yellow smile, it just materialized?
Puzzles me.
ADW
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 04:02 AM
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2. I understand
the desire to respond, but it really is a waste of time. The folks that come up with and forward this stuff really don't care to read a response.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 04:07 AM
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3. I would tell her Obama's Spanish is fine for a Kenyan Muslin.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 04:26 AM
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4. Uh-huh
"He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. Will occur within the next few months."

And if it doesn't occur, he'll predict something else. Meanwhile, people who believe this sort of stuff will "forget" that he made the wrong prediction and ask us to disprove the new prediction --because he's just so darned accurate.

No, thanks. I've seen this script many, many times.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 05:10 AM
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5. Right, like snopes said, his prediction was in 2005, and they are still pushing it
the right wing babble dogs...

I don't think my Mom ever understood Vietnam was a scam war.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 05:49 AM
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6. Don't waste your time and energy...most of this is bullshit but
your mom would prefer to believe it and will not change her mind no matter how much evidence to the contrary you provide. My father was the same way and spouted all the crap that he heard Rush and Hannity propagate. If I could come up with something that he just couldn't refute, it was on to the next falsehood. This week I responded to a right wing email about the ACLU with the Snopes refutation, and the answer from my friend was "I don't care, I believe they are Communists..."
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:26 AM
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7. The reponse to shut down the nonsense
No one cares what Republicans have to say unless it's under oath.
No one believes what Republicans have to say even if it is under oath.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:08 AM
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9. Or
"Tell me again, who was in charge of all branches of our government on September 11, 2001?"
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:07 AM
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8. I have begun to hit "reply all" to these idiotic things
and simply say; "Thank you, but in the interest of informed debate, I have moved beyond the 'pop-up' book phase of my life"

When you really get down to it, these RW e-mails are about as deep as the "pop-up, hard-cardboard" Nursery Rhyme books I read to my kids when they were 4.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:14 AM
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10. Direct answers to the second email
said that I wouldn't send any thing political but, you hate George Bush so much, i had to send this. Mom

What if George Bush Had...?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given
him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

Presidents very seldom are the ones who select the "gifts" in these exchanges. A low-level staffer made the decision to give Brown DVDs of 25 classic American movies, because Brown is known as a movie buff.

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this
embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

Right wing lie. The iPod contained no Obama speeches... only American music that the queen is very fond of. The queen was reportedly very happy with the gift.

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

George W. Bush kissed the King of Saudi Arabia on the lips.



If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

The reason this verbal slip by Obama is remembered is because it is so rare. Books have been written containing nothing but verbal slips by Bush. Only Yogi Berra rivals Bush in this department.

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?

Bush filled his cabinet with war criminals and cronies ("Heckuva job, Brownie!").

If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the fourth of May (Cuatro de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

Again... only notable because of its rarity. George "is our children learning?" Bush was the king of gaffes.

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as "proof" of what a dunce he is?

This never happened.

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on "Earth Day", would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

Um... every Presidential trip burns jet fuel. Obama's trip wasn't *JUST* to plant a tree. That was one five-minute event in an otherwise full day of events.

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually "get" what happened on 9-11?

Obama didn't okay this. And the person responsible for it was reprimanded and resigned.

If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

Every President since Jimmy Carter has used a teleprompter. George Bush used a teleprompter for every major speech of his presidency. As for the teleprompter at press conferences... it was only used for the opening statement and not used at all during the Q&A portions of the press conference.

If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orlean , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

Lie. Relief aid WAS sent.

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

Once the government took over control of GM, the government *DID* have the right to hire and fire top management. And the reason the government took over GM is because of Bush's incompetence.

If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt,which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

The stimulus package was necessary because of the Bush Depression. The national debt more than doubled during Bush's term, and no Republican uttered a peep about it.

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

Obama hasn't proposed this. Lie.

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

George W. Bush's Depression is what caused this, not Obama

If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

George W. Bush spent 41% of his presidency on vacation. He took 75 trips to Crawford Texas, totaling in the 10s of millions of dollars. Disingenuous lie.

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?

For one, he's turned around Bush's Depression in 6 months.

Can't think of anything? Don't worry.
He's done all this in 6 months -- so you'll have three years and six months to come up with an answer.

Wrong. We have 7 years and 6 months.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 11:47 AM
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13. Thank you, Thank you so much. The picture of him kissing the King and holding his hand
was something I was looking for. I knew I had seen it before. I had mentioned some of the things you bring up, but don't know why they didn't appear in the post after I hit the "post message" button.
I just knew there were others who could help me with this here.
Best Wishes All,
ADW
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. I. Love. You.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:10 PM
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16. I'm very fond of you too... but I wouldn't call it love just yet. Let's take it slow.
;-)
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:31 AM
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11. Obama didn't double the national debt, nor is he going to do so.
FACT: Bewsh, his old man and Reagan were responsible for 70% of the current National Debt. Bewsh increased the National Debt to 10 trillion dollars (nearly double the 2001 amount) with tax cuts for the wealthy that didn't create jobs and unwinnable tax drain occupations of sovereign nations.

Does said right wanger want to check his facts he made up before putting them in a letter? This may work with the schmucks in Podunk, but researchers like us can shovel through bullshit with no problem.

The Borrow and Waste party has done more economic damage to this country than any Democrat these asswipes can come up with.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 11:16 AM
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12. OK, I'll take the security crap.
Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.

Wow, imagine that--he predicted terrorists would target high-profile places! I never would've thought to do that! :sarcasm:

Now for his future predictions. He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. Will occur within the next few months.

Yeah, don't they all?

Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective.

That much is true.

For example:

1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.

Haven't explosives been made out of plastic for a long time? Of course they're looking for plastic!

2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board.

Wait, you said he said they were only "looking for metals." Don't tell me the only one they look for is mercury.

He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked!

He sounds a bit behind the times, given that some places now have those new scanners that essentially show you naked.

Every strategy we have is reactionary.

Agreed, but I fail to see how his is any more prescient.

3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates. Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved. In Israel, security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.

I don't know about you, but the second I enter the airport, I hear messages over the public-address system advising passengers not to leave anything anywhere or agree to watch anything for anyone they don't know.

Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate. (I. E., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc.,

No shit, Sherlock. Terrorists would want to target popular places where many people congregate? You could knock me over with a feather!

as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.).

Oh really? They want to kill a few cows and moose too? Well, then, I guess what this genius is saying is that terrorists want to attack EVERYWHERE. We obviously need to pay careful heed to his expert and useful advice.

The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact),

Terrorists like BIG impact, as opposed to small impact?? Aw, c'mon, you're shitting me now. :sarcasm:

involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.

So, in short, we should all just panic, 'cuz we're all gonna get bombed.

Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.

Because Lord knows, they never worry about what someone's car might have in it? Somehow I doubt this.

Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. Government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts.

Much better that the "facts" should get out through spammy email.

The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant.

In short, drop every concern you have about anything else and BE AFRAID!!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!!!!! Be SO AFRAID THAT YOU DON'T NOTICE OR CARE WHILE YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS ARE TAKEN AWAY!!!!!!!!

On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked.

Oh well, that's a relief.

Aviv says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.

But...but...I thought he just said in his Vegas valet-parking scenario that they would not have to use suicide bombers because they could just valet park a bomb-laden car and walk away. Wouldn't that work just as well anyplace else that has valet parking? Including rural areas? He's sorta contradicting himself here. Besides, I fail to see how use of nuclear weapons and suicide are mutually exclusive. In fact, I remember back when we used to call that kind of thing Mutually Assured Destruction...not only of you but of the friggin' WORLD. But I digress.

He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' - having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U. S.

Another way in which he may well actually be right. We see the descendants of Tim McVeigh in the teabagger brigade each day.

He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East. These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.

Now there I think he's barking up the wrong tree. We do indeed need to be concerned about our homegrown terrorists, but not all of them will be young, not all of them will be students and a lot of them will have no ties to the Middle East. They won't necessarily know our language that well either, even though they've been trying to use it all their lives. True, they will fully understand the habits of Americans and it behooves us to know and understand all about them we can--because they are the biggest terrorist threat we may face.

Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terrorist threats we will, inevitably, face.

Probably. Which is why we need to take a closer look at the teabaggers.

America still has only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.

Oh, agreed there! That's why I'm all in favor of eliminating DADT so that we can add more experts in Arabic and Farsi to our military as well, and stop the foolish prejudice against them for their sexual orientation.

So, what can America do to protect itself? From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence,

In short, the CIA needs to stop relying on technology and hire some actual SPIES! I mean, why did it never occur to these people that they need human beings doing some of their work? :sarcasm:

both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'.

And the teabaggers are an excellent example of what you get from that.

Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.

Really? How come I keep seeing all that ready.gov stuff and hearing those ads then?

Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in f ive major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out...in fact, in Chicago, someone tried to steal the briefcase!

I bet New York was not one of those cities. DC either. I think their residents are hypervigilant.

In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.

Really? Is that why, even on my public transportation system in Cleveland, we are encouraged to report things like unattended bags?

Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about our schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City, this was days, in some cases!)

Not sure this is true, but well, yeah, the schools did have to change their tune after 9/11--and did.

He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terrorist emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .

Show of hands? Anyone with kids out there who is sending them to a school that DOESN'T have a plan? I think they all made them after 9/11. Also, ready.gov is constantly preaching the necessity of a family plan.

Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow.

So does ready.gov. Have been saying it for years. Honestly, we're supposed to believe this guy is a rocket scientist?

Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the way that their bombs are detonated.

I think here we're getting into tinfoil-hat land. I mean, let's be serious here. It took them a while to even shut down the air transportation grid on 9/11. It was far from immediate. No, the biggest problem in the event of another such attack is that there will be so many people frantically trying to contact loved ones that it'll stress the system beyond capacity...and for THAT reason many people won't be able to communicate electronically...JUST LIKE ON 9/11.

How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan.

Well, DUH. That, again, is neither news, nor is it something the government is trying to keep "secret" from us less it "panic" us. On the contrary, they keep drilling it into us all the time. I wouldn't be handing this Aviv guy a gold medal for all these "insights."
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 11:57 AM
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14. Thanks Berry Cool. I'm sending these back this morning.
You all have a great day.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:16 PM
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17. Here's what I would write
You are mentally ill. You need to seek the help of a doctor, if you have health insurance. In any case, don't send me any more demented ravings from the "mind" of Glen Beck
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maynard Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:30 PM
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18. The airline hijacking has already been done....
Tell them.......Since we seem to focus every dime on airport security, why would "terrorists" focus on airports again? Our backs are turned and focused in one area so they will focus somewhere else. Osama once said that he wanted to bankrupt the United States. He was able to get his wish......He led Bush into a war that drained our resources and put America in a financial hole......
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:36 PM
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19. Advice. Find something real to worry about.
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