It is time to burst the right wing information bubble

[ck4829]

How many times have you encountered a birther who pulled up a source for their claims, and it just happened to be WorldNetDaily? How many times have you encountered a birther and it happened to be some other source? The former occurs much more often than the latter I presume, right?

Remember those videos of the "Fire David Letterman" rallies and how almost all of them said they don't even watch David Letterman, but instead only watch Fox News?

The right wing trick of calling all media that does not fit in with it part of the "liberal media" has worked, too well in fact.

The people believing in the right wing lie now pretty much get their information only from right wing sources, this has not only created an "echo chamber", but also an "information bubble" that prevents these right wingers from getting any information that is different from what their leaders say.

Can anyone from the birther/Palinite/"Obama is gonna kill old people/etc. really say that they get their information from a variety of sources?

Here is what we must do to break the bubble:

We must "invade" their blogs, forums, talk shows, etc. and debunk what their leaders say anywhere we can.

This bubble can and must be popped.

[opihimoimoi]

1. Truth Reason and Clarity ill lead us to Sanity...this is what President Obama is doing

The GOP is stuck on the Past

Their shit will not Last

Not in Todays World.....

[elocs]

2. You can waste a lot of time invading their blogs, forums, talk shows, but it won't get you anywhere.

How do you think that a right wing invasion of DU would work out to convince us of their point of view, that they believe they have the truth? Not very well at all. There are places to get the word and the truth out, but it is not by going to their sites to do the debunking, not unless you enjoy that sort of thing. I don't, so I do not do any "invading". Besides, I don't want them trolling here, so why should I want to be like them and troll their turf? (Think: The Golden Rule)

[Maccagirl]

4. Not wanting to waste my time debating the no-brainers/haters

has nothing to do with the Golden Rule. You are a better person than I. My tolerance ran out eons ago.

[elocs]

8. So where exactly does debating the no-brainers/haters get you?

What does it accomplish? Last November do you think Obama spent a lot of time, effort, and money canvasing and trying to convert voters in heavily Republican areas or did he sent his message and workers to areas where there were people to truly be convinced and who had even a sliver of an open mind.

Freepers and trolls who come here, what do they accomplish? Are they not ultimately wasting their time? Again, why would I want to follow their example?

[Cirque du So-What]

5. By the same token, places like newspaper forums are fair game

I've been making frontal assaults on the wingnuts in the forum section of my local Gannett fishwrap. Freeper-types had taken over the place, assuming it was their personal playground. I showed them differently, and now more liberal-to-moderate voices are finding satisfaction in putting these cretins in their place.

[elocs]

7. Exactly. Because then those other than freepers will see it and hopefully think.

My area very handily went for Obama last November, but my local newspaper's comment section is dominated by rightwingers. That is a place where a differing point of view does have an impact though because it doesn't take much to look thoughtful, considerate, and even to be able to rationally express ideas compared to the rightwingers who are shrill and like to employ fear and smearing.

[Cirque du So-What]

10. I tell the freepers that I know better

than to try changing the concretions they laughingly call their 'minds.' I tell them I'm not writing for them, but for the moderates and undecideds who are sitting on the sidelines. I point out the absurdity of their dearly-held convictions, their sociopathic and misanthropic tendencies, and their logical fallacies. They're nothing more than 'useful idiots' in my campaign to get at the truth, and I occasionally thank them for playing the buffoon so well - in essence making my points for me.

[Adelante]

9. That's the right place to do it

It isn't about convincing them of anything, you can't, so I don't go to their sites to post, but general news readers shouldn't be left at the mercy of these liars. That's where we can really make a difference.

[RandomThoughts]

6. Its a good idea if you can stick to information.

if the argument is source validity it is tougher, so you have to find contradiction in their own thought. If you point out contradictions it makes them try and resolve them and that leads to thought.

Also it is a good idea to talk to people at work or when out with other people, if you can do it without anger.

If 1 million people talked to 1 person a day, after a year that would be more then the population of the USA.

you could also tell them what you know about media distortions so they can start seeing it themselves, or tell them about how distraction is used.

[C_U_L8R]

3. As they say, when your opponent is digging themselves into a hole...

...don't stop them. The GOP has made a fine mess that they may never recover from.
Enjoy every bit of it : - )))

[syberlion]

11. There is a problem with this approach

When you are dealing with closed minds, you can show them the grass is green and you can show them the sky is blue all day long. However, they will just close their eyes and continue to believe the grass is gray and the sky is purple.

My mother was a staunch republican for most of her life. It wasn't until the crazy policies of the republicans started effecting her life directly and where it hurt her most, her 401K. She lost almost 70% of her retirement that she relies to live on AND her taxes increase year after year when shrub was in office. These are things she could not ignore and could not push off onto any other straw man.

Since the time of Brain-Dead Reagan I tried showing her, giving her articles, explaining how the republican party was the anti-American, anti-middle-class, anti-working-class, pro-corporate, pro-rich party. She didn't want to believe that something she'd grown up with and clung to for all these years was no longer what she thought it was. It wasn't until it became personal, it wasn't until she had to sit there and stare at her dwindling retirement funds and her increasing tax bill that she couldn't deny what was right there in front of her face. Oh, there were friends in her retirement village going back to work and there were some that had to leave because they couldn't afford to stay so she saw the reality of republican-run government.

I was lucky in that my mother does read and she does have an open mind. She did have to wade through the denial process, at one point she asked me how I got so smart to which I told her, "you taught me always to question and continue to seek the truth."

She's calling me up and asking me what is really going on now, because she knows she can't rely on the mainstream media since it is corporately owned and pushes mostly pro-corporate talking points. So, there are those out there which have awoken from the dark and deep sleep.

For those so far gone, and we all know they are out there because they are the faces the corporate media has plastered across our newspapers and television screens, they are the ones most dangerous to this nation. They are Timothy McVay's of the future, they are the ones being directed by the modern American Mullahs; Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hanity, Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan and Newt. They are the national security threat to this country. There is no amount of facts, truth or reality that will change their minds.

Funny thing is I am reminded of a story about how at one point of the middle-east terrorist suicide bomber campaigns, they were having trouble with recruiting suicide bombers, so they started using teenagers and young women with the promise of money or they were finding the mentally challenged and sending them off to do their dirty work. Not much different from those desperate terrorist and the corporations here in America if you ask me... Only they have more money and control of the media.

If you want to "invade" their blogs, websites, etc. that's fine, just remain emotion-free when you do it. Why? because emotion is what they run on, it's all they've got. It's an old debate trick, get the other side angry and you've won. Why? because then they're wrapped up in their feelings and the facts just flew out the window.

Until the 20% of wing-nuts all have something happen in their lives that will cause them enough pain and discomfort to drop their belief system, they will never change. The more you try the more radical they will become until we have home-grown suicide bombers. I suspect we are probably closer to this then I am comfortable in thinking about. If it does happen, if the modern day American Mullahs are not rounded up and tried for the treasonous scum we all know they are, then justice is dead. They are inciting riots and condoning violence by not allowing debate on health care. This is anti-American and pro-fascist. This is treason and must be treated as such.

One thing I've thought about is the need to expose the owners of the media outlets allowing this anti-American, Pro-racist, Pro-fascist talk on the air. Calling advertisers and letting them know they are associating themselves with racist, and anti-American rhetoric. There are many more Americans out there that will find pro-American companies to buy their products. If they want to become a regional company that's fine, but they will lose large amounts of pro-American Americans...

By allowing Lou Dobbs, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh to spew hate speech worse then what was said back in the 1930's their corporate masters are saying to America, "We are pro-racist, pro-fascist, and most importantly totally anti-American. We want American to fall, we want Americans to suffer more than they already suffer." As long as these piles of dung are allowed air time, on the publicly owned air waves by the way, they are supported by the real racist and fascist behind the scenes. THOSE are the names we need to publicize over and over and over until they have to answer for their racism and their anti-American behavior. Now the FCC is charged with, "regulating interstate and foreign commerce in communication by wire and radio so as to make available, so far as possible, to all the people of the United States, without discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, or sex, a rapid, efficient, Nation‑wide, and world‑wide wire and radio communications service..." And as far as I am concerned they have fallen down on the job.

You want to change the hearts and minds of fellow Americans? Get more radio, TV and Cable stations out of the hands of the racists and you can begin to see some changes, call FCC let them know they have the power to make these changes. As long as they control the airwaves, they control the message. They are desperate and we are close to serious acts of violence because they are falling out of power and they don't want that to happen. It's happening and it needs to continue to happen. For the sake of saving this nation from total ruin.

We must do our patriotic duty for this contruy to survive this fascist, racist attach from within.

[KakistocracyHater]

15. Now you know, so ask yourself why do the wealthy Liberals NOT buy

radio stations, tv channels, cable stations? Consortiumnews.com asked that back in the 1990s & got brushed aside so they made that website. Control the stations by controlling the airwaves........where are OUR side's rich men & women, willing to spend in the red for years, like the Weekly Standard, the Washington Times, NY Post, etc? Doesn't the truth deserve airtime?

[struggle4progress]

12. Better to spend time training our own troops and convincing the unconvinced:

arguing with the dedicated rightwingers merely gives them advance notice of how we debunk them, which helps them adjust their tactics

[travelingtypist]

13. The problem is the RW BS gets into the MSM even though it's BS.

Going all the way back to Monica/Whitewater/TravelGate. Unsubstantiated charges spew and the media parrots them in that he said/she said bullshit way that they have, except we were about ten years behind in creating our own echo chamber that fortunately for us is reality-based. And we don't have sugar daddies like Scaife helping us out either.

[NoSheep]

14. This sounds good. I like it.