Yes on 8 people going door to door

[and-justice-for-all]

We just learned that Ron Prentice and his group, Protect Marriage, will be focusing their efforts in the Bay Area, Los Angeles and the Central Valley.

They’ll be going door to door in the same areas where EQCA is already working with volunteers, only they will be spreading lies about how marriage needs to be protected from same-sex couples.

They know our strategy of going door to door is effective, so they are ramping up their fundraising efforts and targeting the same areas.

Make a donation before midnight Saturday so we can match them dollar for dollar.

Don't be fooled—the other side won't stop with stripping us of the freedom to marry. Their aim is to reverse every law that protects the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. They're already flooding the governor's office with calls opposing our Harvey Milk Day bill and our Marriage Recognition and Family Protection Act, a bill that would ensure that California recognizes couples who were married out of state.

Your donation today will help make sure we are there to counter this latest attack against our equality.

We are close to the halfway mark of our $500,000 goal. Help us raise $25,000 by midnight Saturday. Your donation will fund our efforts on the ground in a range of communities, talking with people about their stance on marriage.

As I said before, I know we can restore the freedom to marry if we can reach enough people with the stories of how our families are affected and the hurt of being denied a simple right. We need your support today to make it happen.

In solidarity,

Geoff Kors
Executive Director
Equality California

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[TheWatcher]

1. The Yes On 8 People going door to door are asking to get their asses kicked.

Not that I would advocate that in any way, of course.

However, should those Bigots show up at MY door, I really can't guarantee I'll invite them in for tea.....

[imdjh]

4. Then I will. I honestly think that these people are yelling "n----" in a black neighborhood.

And I'm not interested in anyone else's negative opinion on that comparison. I am sick and tired of these people getting a pass because they aren't actually yelling "You fucking faggots should die."

The reason you NEVER see "I hate ni--ers" on a bumper sticker is because it would guarantee that the owner would eventually return to a battered car. And yet you see the various anti-gay bumper stickers with some regularity. Honestly, I haven't seen one in a while, but then why would I when most of their anti-gay amendments have already passed?

The time has come to respond with the appropriate level of anger. Actually, that time was awhile ago, but it's still time.

[TheWatcher]

7. I agree with you. I was being tongue in cheek with the first part of my comment.

These people have carried their Hate too far, and they need to understand there are consequences when you push across a line.

[FiveGoodMen]

13. "The time has come to respond with the appropriate level of anger"

Agreed.

Sadly, the law wouldn't see it that way, but agreed just the same.

[AntiFascist]

18. Why is it a matter of freedom of speech to allow High School students...

to wear a t-shirt that says "Be Happy, Not Gay", but it would be out of the question to allow studets to wear anything with a swastika or a burning cross?

[imdjh]

23. Because we don't have a rapid response team outside of SF and NYC.

[lapfog_1]

5. I don't know... maybe a cup of tea is just what they need...

[imdjh]

8. Oooh, great idea. But California Diet Tea is my favorite. Double strength senna.

[TheWatcher]

9. Scalding Hot Coffee to the face works quite well too.

:evilgrin:

[wryter2000]

14. They'll get an earful from me if they show up

I'm not the butt kicking kind, but I can give them my honest opinion of what they're up to. I think I might start by asking who's funding their drive.

[The Doctor.]

17. No, don't.... see post 16.

You can do far more good by putting acting talent to use and wasting as much of their time as possible.

That way, you can slow the spread of their message.


In fact... I'm about to write an action plan for these assholes... if you could give it a K+R when you see it, that might help.

[wryter2000]

19. I couldn't possibly do that

About the best I could do is get out my Bible and challenge them to show me one place where Jesus said anything about GLBT people.

[The Doctor.]

16. No... I'd just use the same tactics I do on Jehovah's Witnesses...

I feign curiosity and naïvete (well), let them start their speil, feign greater and greater interest, and then start asking the questions.

:evilgrin:

With these bolt-brains, I'd even start to feign a little outrage about how 'teh gays' might threaten marriage.

Then I'd ask the questions. :evilgrin:

By the time they realized they were trying to answer questions designed to prove their bigotry wrong, I hope I will have taken up enough of their time to prevent them from spreading bullshit to many others.

Hmmm... I think I'll post a public service message about this.

[musette_sf]

2. bring it on MFs

i live in a heavily Mormon neighborhood so there's a good chance they'll be at my door.

can't wait.

[imdjh]

6. I was wondering about the Mormons just yesterday.

I was driving down my street and two Mormon missionaries (cookie cutter) were walking down the street facing me. One of them waved to me, congenially. I kept on driving, wondering, should I have stopped and given them an earful? I've actually thought about following them one day as they wandered into a black section nearby. I thought about following them, and waiting until someone answered the door to yell, "They're Mormons! It's a racist, sexist, homophobic cult."

But I'm not completely sure on this. I have seen these same two guys walking home in the afternoon with their cool shades, and I saw them driving one day grooving to some rap music. I've read stories from recovered Mormons who remember their missionary time fondly. Is it possible these young people fall into the category of young and misguided? Is it possible that most of them will outgrow their religion? Is it possible that Mormonism is being broken down by our society much like fundamentalism in general?

[Sebastian Doyle]

10. Mormons grooving to rap music??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TeV8yp8ALM

[Raster]

11. As I pulled out of the complex the other day, I noted two mormon missionaries enter on foot to begin

their house-to-house proselytizing. When I returned from my errands, the same two were getting ready to leave the complex--I guess the pickings were slim. As I slowly drove by them I yelled out "Stop the Hate!" The chunkier very-white-boy yelled back at me, "what did you say, sir?"

I said "Stop the hate, in reference top the church's stand on Proposition 8 in California."

Chunky-white-boy-wearing-magic-underwear (CWBWMU) said "you don't approve of the LDS church's stand on proposition 8 sir?"

"NO, I don't. I was raised in the church, and have never been so disgusted with the Mormon Church as I am now."
"Why is that"? asked CWBWMU.

"Because the church not only initiated the entire proposition 8 mess, THEY LIED ABOUT IT!"
CWBWMU started to adopt a slightly aggressive stance, crossing his arms. "The church lied about what, sir?"

"The church has funneled far more money and time into proposition 8, and has continually lied about their involvement, including the fact that if not for the Mormon church, there would not be a proposition 8."

CWBWMU's voice got a bit higher and louder: "there were other church's that supported proposition 8. Have you confronted them?"

"No I have not, because they're not in my face, where I live, going door-to-door selling their snake oil, now are they?"
CWBWMU started to open is mouth as I cut him off with a curt "good day."

Oh yeah, let them knock on my door. I have a few things to say.

[imdjh]

21. Sounds like they have been prepped for politics. OK, open (verbal) season on them then.

BTW, I had one call me an asshole. Not to my face, but I overheard him as he was walking away after I slammed the door in their face. Hey, I was cleaning house and I was hot and tired.

[Raster]

24. Yep, I had definitely gotten the impression that the High Command had prepped them

that some of us heathens may not exactly welcome their religious advances. Too fucking bad.

I had another experience a few months ago when two of the young brethren knocked on my door to give me their spiel. I also told those two how disgusted I was with the church. One of them had the audacity to ask me "other than that how do you feel about the Mormon church?"

Wrong question.

I proceeded to tell him how the Book of Mormon was bunk, and that NOTHING in it could be authenticated. I continued telling them that contrary to Mormon doctrine, modern genetic testing has proved that the Native Americans and the Polynesians don't have one drop of Hebrew blood in their bodies. I told them that I was raised in the church, and that the belief that the Native Americans and the Polynesians were part of the lost tribe of Israel was central to the church's teachings and that had been thoroughly discredited.

The young man told me that they weren't there to argue with me. I then asked them to leave.

[imdjh]

25. "other than that how do you feel about the Mormon church?"

You know, that's the worst part. I went to school with some of these people. I have worked with some of these people. I always knew that their doctrine was strange, because I actually skimmed the Book when I was about 12 years old and I knew about the history of the church, but I never thought of them as bad people. In fact, I admired the fact that they didn't use coffee, liquor, and presumably drugs. They seemed like a pretty handsome and healthy bunch. I really had no clue how miserable and malicious they were until the Hawaii court case.

[Raster]

26. Oh yeah. Miserable and malicious just about sums it up.

http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=3689

<snip>

Crapo's timeline begins in 1988 when the LDS, under then-President Gordon B. Hinckley, hired the marketing firm Hill and Knowlton to "monitor and promote the church's stance on gay issues in state legislatures and the U.S. Congress."

Crapo, who is straight and Mormon, explained that when three same-sex couples sued the state of Hawaii for the right to marry in December 1990, in a case known as Baehr v. Miike , the Mormons already had Hill and Knowlton on payroll for two years helping to develop the HLM strategy.

On May 5, 1993, the same day that the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled in favor of the same-sex couples' right to marry, LDS Apostle Boyd K. Packer gave an address at a meeting of the All-Church Coordinating Council that called homosexuality one of the three major social problems that represent a danger to members, according to Crapo. Packer said the other two perceived "dangers" to the Mormon Church were "feminism and intellectuals," according to Will Carlson, Equality Utah's chief lobbyist.

[EFerrari]

3. Oh lord, send me some.

[proud patriot]

12. I still have my no on 8 sign on my porch

doubt they will visit me :evilgrin:

[imdjh]

22. My mezuzah didn't stop them. nt

[Betsy Ross]

15. Maybe the "Overturn Prop *" signs in my windows

will keep them from my door.

[wryter2000]

20. I need a sign

Do you have a good source where I could get one quickly and cheaply?

:bounce:

[Betsy Ross]

28. I just printed one from my computer.

Prior to the election I had a "No H8" sign up.

[Palin delenda est]

27. Just made a donation. As much as I could afford...wish could be more.

...

[varelse]

29. I think that's who I must have chased away two weeks ago

a couple came to my door at 8:30 am on a Sunday - they didn't get very far into their spiel before I told them to leave immediately. It's the first solicitation we've seen here in years.

I donated to the EQCA and will pass the link along to friends and family who might be interested.

[hunter]

30. Oh, I do wish!!!

:evilgrin:

[David Zephyr]

31. Kick.

Thanks for the story.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

32. Well, the weather

ain't exactly cooperating. We're baking in L.A., and I can just imagine the Central Valley is well over 100 degrees. If a pair comes to my door, I'll give them some ice water and remind them what Jesus said, "When I was hungry, you gave me something to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink." Then remind them it's about humanity - ALL humanity. And close the door.