Do all Closet Racists Have to Consult Jesse Jackson?

[true_notes]

Call me old fashioned and possibly naive, but why do most of our modern racists have to consult in Jesse Jackson like he is a wizard or infinite source of wisdom? You see, I believe in self justification. It's an art long lost in our society, and art in which one finds himself a road and sticks to it. Nowhere along this road does naysayers and snake charmers give advice.

Jesse Jackson is in my opinion a great fraud to the civil rights movement. He has done nothing but hammer the last nail in many buildings many civil rights leaders before him built. Jesse Jackson found a weakness in the movement and exploited it, therefore weakening the movement.

People like Michael Richards and Imus need not see this man for justification, they should either be men and come out for who they really are or just fade into obscurity and exhibit yet another form of weakness our society has: The lack of self accountability. How can we rely on the people that disseminate news, information, humor, music, etc. when they don't even know who they are and why they are here?

Jesse Jackson is nothing to these people than a ploy to vindicate themselves from what they have done, therefore Jackson is a whore to the civil rights movement.

That's just my $.02.

[NormanYorkstein]

1. Jackson and Sharpton are "fixers"

If you are racist or have racist policies, a donation to Jackson's or Sharpton's network of organizations can buy you an "indulgence". I don't hold a high opinion of either one of them.

[Liz_Dem_In_Ga]

26. You May Need to Take Out Your Wallet!

I would consider granting you an "indulgence" (whatever the hell that is) if you could tell me how attacking Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton helps Don Imus rectify his very serious denigration of the African-American women who play basketball at Rutgers University. I have a sneaking suspicion that you yourself "are racist or have racist policies." Perhaps you've made such a donation in the past. If not, now may be a good time to do so.

[NormanYorkstein]

33. I'm going to assume you are joking

If you don't know what an "indulgence" is you can't possibly understand my post. A quick google search should inform you. "Attacking Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton" does not help Don Imus for his racist and bigoted slurs, but going on Sharpton's show and doing an "apology" probably will keep him on the air.

"I have a sneaking suspicion that you yourself "are racist or have racist policies.""

Same to you I guess?

[Fridays Child]

2. Philanderers have to see Jesse, too...

...well, Liberal philanderers, anyway.

Seriously, you're right on in your observation of an interesting role that Jesse Jackson plays. It seems that one of his most high profile functions is to let politicians--and pundits, evidently--wipe their crocodile tears of public regret on his handkerchief of atonement.

[tomreedtoon]

3. "It's the courtiers that kill the King."

That was said by John Lennon after visiting Elvis Presley, and seeing how the Memphis Mafia was dragging him into self-destruction.

In this case, you could say it about Sharpton and Jackson, who used to be courtiers to Martin Luther King, who have been riding that relationship most of their public lives.

Both of them have been trying to promote themselves as "the leader of the African-American community" and "the natural successor to Dr. King." That's like saying that Don Imus and Hulk Hogan are spokesmen for the Caucasian community.

And the awful part is, there hasn't been any black person who would come out and say what frauds these guys are...or at least anyone who's been seen alive after saying it. Perhaps if Obama becomes President, he will be able to tell them that they only represent themselves, and if they want a forum they should go on Dancing with the Stars. Which would be plenty reason for me to vote for Obama, besides all the others.

[whoneedstickets]

4. Whatever your sin, there's a confessor for atonement

If you're a closeted gay Colorado preacher, or an adulterous former GOP House speaker, or a racist radio personality etc...

The trick is to appear situationally contrite and to still have enough usefulness to the 'powers that be' who pull the strings that they will grant absolution.

[Kagemusha]

9. I think Imus struck out on the usefulness part.

That's why he's not getting any love here.

[whoneedstickets]

15. You're right...

There's no doubt that Sharpton and Jackson are thinking to themselves "Is it worth it to go out on a limb to try to clear this guy's name by claiming 'he didn't understand', or 'has had a change of heart'? ...I don't think so!"

He's toast.

[MadMaddie]

5. That's a very good question...

Unfortunately, in the black community Jackson and Sharpton are filling a void that has been present for many years.....

We really do not have any prominant Blacks that are effective, most of the 60's era leader have retired or dead.

I was commenting the other day that the NAACP is a ruderless ship, no true leadership, too much infighting and no real impact on the political landscape.

The Congressional Black Caucaus is by far the most influential group in the black community.

[wtmusic]

6. Of course...ask "Mr. Himey Town" for forgiveness

too strange :crazy:

[Bucky]

7. I wasn't aware that Imus is a *closet* racist.

[babylonsister]

18. I'm not aware of that either. nt

[Kagemusha]

8. Why did Mel Gibson have to go to a bunch of Rabbis for absolution?

Because that is what was expected of him.

It's the same with every community. When you anger the community, you are expected to pay homage and kneel before the tribal elders. The elders usually get more from granting absolution when it is publicly sought and the person concerned humiliated in public, than by denying it.

Of course that might be somewhat predicated on your not being a long-term enemy of the community and "just" being a bigot who can be turned into an example of justified contrition.

[Colobo]

28. Jesse and Al are not "tribal elders"...

[babylonsister]

10. Sorry, I like Jesse Jackson, and his son. He is a man who has

sinned, who hasn't. He still has been honest.

[true_notes]

13. This goes beyond "sin"

I for one do not believe in "sin" per say, however Jesse is a fraud, and he is acting like something that he isn't.

[babylonsister]

20. IMO, we have many more problems than what Jesse Jackson Jr. or

Sr. might be thinking.
This is a non-starter! BUT! you got lots of feedback!

[azurnoir]

11. Jesse Jackson, the Rainbow Coalition, and the NAACP

are incredibly out of touch with non-middle class Blacks, they do not represent the very people that need them the most and were the reason those organizations exist. Today they claim "we've moved past that" IMHO they suffer from the "that ain't me" syndrome.

[Grandrose]

12. Keep your $.02!!!!

Sorry, but this post is more about bashing Reverend Jackson, then
about racism?? Who died and made you spokesperson for the civil rights
movement???
:mad:

[true_notes]

14. So

Do you want me to go talk to the Reverend? Gimme a break!

[Grandrose]

17. That is your call....

:) That is my $.02

[true_notes]

21. Well you see...

An example of why there is a massive paradox in the "civil rights" movement.

Civil rights means rights for...get this...EVERYONE, that means all prejudice and racism on all sides of the ballfield should be considered, not only white on black racism specific.

Now, take a comedian, lets say Carlos Mencia. Mencia bashes all races, religions, ethniticities, etc. on a daily basis, but you don't see the great reverend holding marches in the D.C. streets to bring him down. Why? Because Mencia is a minority.

Face the truth, the civil rights movement allows the objectification of all races, as long as the races are not nationally sensitive (i.e. skits on lynchings and such). But oh wait, a black man, Dave Chapelle did the same things towards black people on Public Television, but he doesn't have to face the rainbow with the reverend.

These morons have turned the civil rights movement into a joke. There is no general direction that the movement is being steered into. The rudders are admidship and they are sailing into the sunset.

I guess what it all boils down to is that if you are going to hold a white man on the "racist" pedestal, then maybe the reverend should look inward in his own brotherhood to see where some of the most harsh racism really is.

[Grandrose]

30. Good try....

Ramble on as much as you want. Bashing is bashing. And frankly
paradox my backside..I do not think you give two hoots about the
civil rights movement.

For your own reasons you dislike or hate the reverend, you can put
lipstick on a pig and call it Sally(please...no disrespect to the
Sally's out there) but it is still a pig! Get real. :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

16. (shrug) That's what white folks decided passes as penance...

... for the crime of *publically* exhibiting racist behavior.

It's a complete lie, naturally, nor do Black folks buy it.

The only point of it is to get the transgressor back on the correct side of the "give him the benefit of the doubt" dividing line. At that point all those black folks who (rightly) don't buy it can be called "oversensitive" or "never satisfied" or "grudge holding" by white folks.

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[BlooInBloo]

23. Personally, I prefer that these sorts of people identify themselves.

[babylonsister]

24. Judi Lynn, you are fabulous! Your posts are 'right on' and thank you!

:thumbsup: :yourock:

[true_notes]

25. How Could you Possibly Agree with that Haggard Remark?

It's like eating shit and thinking it's chocolate.

[babylonsister]

27. You are on the wrong thread. Figure it out. nt

[Liz_Dem_In_Ga]

29. No, Call Yourself "Racist"

In addition, please call yourself a race-baiter. If you don't know what that term means, educate yourself:

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2005/09/race-baiting.html

As misguided, ill-informed, and obviously tormented by your own race prejudices as you are, you can still be helped. Enlightenment is available. Even if I believed that your comments are the result of deep, logical thinking, I would still be concerned about the needless perjorative language used to heap scorn on Jesse Jackson. But I don't believe that you've done any deep, logical thinking, because I'm not "old fashioned or possibly naive."

If for a minute you could indulge in rational consideration, you would realize that there is no justification (to you use your own terminology) for "snake charmer," "great fraud," and most tellingly, "whore to the civil rights movement."

As a child, I was actively involved in the civil rights movement, so I speak with authority when I tell you that you need no longer concern yourself with the civil rights movement, its personages, and its image. Rather, check out that log in your own eye. It's blinding you to the truth about your overt racism.

Just so you'll know, your incoherent mish-mash of idiotic inanity is not worth even $0.02. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

[countingbluecars]

31. Thank you!

And welcome to DU.

[Liz_Dem_In_Ga]

32. You're Welcome!

Glad to be here!

[true_notes]

34. Pull out your dictionary. Read.

rac·ism /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

vs.


crit·i·cism /ˈkrɪtəˌsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.
2. the act of passing severe judgment; censure; faultfinding.
3. the act or art of analyzing and evaluating or judging the quality of a literary or artistic work, musical performance, art exhibit, dramatic production, etc.
4. a critical comment, article, or essay; critique.
5. any of various methods of studying texts or documents for the purpose of dating or reconstructing them, evaluating their authenticity, analyzing their content or style, etc.: historical criticism; literary criticism.
6. investigation of the text, origin, etc., of literary documents, esp. Biblical ones: textual criticism.
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If I'm supposed to like this man because of the fact he is black, you people are mentally incapable of being logical. I don't like him for his ideas and the using of a beautiful thing to make a buck. He's a fraud, possibly on of the largest frauds of modern times and I will not waiver in that aspect.