Just a reminder, there are Democrats, in high places, involved with "The Family" also

[MadHound]

<http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/26564>

This is a bipartisan movement, meaning that once again, nothing is going to be done about it since members of both parties are involved.

So are we going to demand accountability on this, will we force our leaders to drag it out into the light, even though it means that Democrats in high places take a hit. Or will we let it drop, because it means that Democrats in high places take a hit.

[ensho]

1. Dems that are a member of The Family need to be hit

hard

[MadHound]

4. I agree, but there are many that don't

After all, that means going after people like Hillary and other Democrats. I was flamed hard the first time I brought this up the first time, and people just wanted to sweep it under the rug. But now that it's a 'Pug who's involved, :shrug:

We can't be hypocritical when it come to matters like these, yet sadly many will be.

[imdjh]

13. Fuck Hillary if she's a part of this. And you have no idea what it is for me to say that.

I fought for Hillary. I screamed at her, "Don't you quit. Don't let them sandbag you!" I was furious with the Kennedys and everyone else I viewed as stabbing her in the back. I wanted it to go to the convention.

And if she's a part of this, then fuck her and fuck her again when she wants to run in 2016.

Actually, I'm really close to saying "fuck them all". I am so sick of people with no integrity. Sick of it.

[no_hypocrisy]

19. Sad but true. I can confirm that Hilary has had connections with the Family.

Go to an article in Harpers (2008) about the Family and it indicated that she joined the Bible Study soon after her husband was inaugurated. She was told it was a networking device to get things done in D.C.

[bvar22]

20. Hillary IS a long term membr in good standing.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

[PatSeg]

34. This is so disturbing

I remember hearing Hillary belonged to a prayer group and I wasn't too happy about it. I had no idea it was as extreme as this. These are really scary people.

[lindisfarne]

24. The Nation & Mother Jones both had articles before her campaign - this information was widely known.

[MadHound]

26. Widely know, perhaps,

But it was certainly widely rejected, shouted down by many Hillary supporters, both here and elsewhere.

[lindisfarne]

28. Yes, the scream louder reflex, to drown out the voice of one's opponents. n/t

[imdjh]

30. I suppose if I heard it, I figured she was playing them. I'm still inclined to think that. nt

[MadHound]

32. Playing them since '93? For what end?

Sorry, but she's a true believer, scary as that is.

[imdjh]

33. It's really hard to believe.

Can you honestly say that you believe that Hillary Clinton is a fundie? Come on, she is missing one of the basic requirements.

[MadHound]

38. Fundy, maybe yes, maybe know, but certainly working with this group of lunatics

Why else would she immediately join this group upon coming to DC? And don't forget, one of the evangelical of our presidents, Bushboy, was a Methodist, the same as Hillary:shrug:

Read the article, it lays it all out there for you.

[katanalori]

31. I agree

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS!

[TokenQueer]

2. Hit 'em all. This is an outrage.

:argh:

[annabanana]

3. The Family is a dangerous, theocratic, anti-democratic cult. .

It's primary creed is "Might Makes Right". The accumulation of money &/or power is the evidence, in and of itself, of God's favor.

[imdjh]

10. I was surprised that Rachel Maddow didn't call it a cult. This is NOT a religious freedom issue.

This shakes the public confidence, it's a workaround to our expectation of representation- it's a conspiracy. And if HIllary Clinton is truly a part of this, then I think I'll be ill.

This needs to be shut down through public pressure. At a minimum, they are running a tax free boarding house while pretending to be a church.

[redqueen]

5. Glad this subject finally seems to garner more interest.

Let's hope Dems take note and act accordingly... cause we all know for damned sure the 'pukes won't.

[havocmom]

6. Weren't there also DEMs at Moon's 'coronation' too?

Run candidates who do not favor theocracy. Support candidates who do not favor theocracy. Vote for candidates who do not favor theocracy.

I don't care what party, I won't support theocrats.

[asjr]

7. I believe you are correct, I can't remember

who it was but at the time I was shocked that a Democrat would be there.

[rucky]

8. accountability is accountability

we can't have two sets of standards, like the GOP has.

[kestrel91316]

9. I suspect The Family of secretly plotting the overthrow of the US

government and installing a dominionist theocracy in its place. I don't give a goddam rat's ass who is involved: they ALL need to be investigated and, if warranted, prosecuted.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. Democrats in it mean we have to bring it to light

we have to keep our own house in order.

[imdjh]

12. Rachel is wrong.

"Every American’s faith is her or his own business. It’s our constitutional inheritance as Americans. There’s no religious test for public office."

It's OUR business when it looks like this. It's OUR business when they belong to Opus Dei and Knight Of Columbus and answer to the POPE, so it's our business when they belong to "the Family" and answer.... to whom? Richard Melon Scaife? Is he a master or a minion?

This needs to be purged.

[juno jones]

14. R or D, I don't give a shit. If they are involved in a dominiionist cult

they are traitors. It's even worse if they are merely involved with said cult because "it's a free place to stay in DC with free breakfast and I want to network". How damn shallow can you get, selling us collectively out for a bed?

Dems who belong to this group are collaborators. They are sleeping with the enemy. We should find out what other dems besides Hillary are involved in this group and at the very least bombard them with info such as J Sharlet's work. I'd give 'em a chance to repudiate the family for the public record first, but I know I'd use my vote elsewhere if they insist on staying because that would truly tell a lot about the state of their soul.

[glowing]

39. Sen Nelson (FL-D) is involved. Which is why he's a conservadem.

He also looks like an alien. I guess his NASA days made him electable, but he might as well put a big ass R behind his well boughten name..

[global1]

15. It's Time To Start Delving Into The Actions Of These Lawmakers That Live In This C-Street House....

We already seen what Ensign & Sanford were up to. Now we need to give a good look at the others that live in this house and see what kind of lives they live. Perhaps they got in under the radar before - but now they've been outed and should be scrutinized. I wonder what kind of voting record these guys have up on the Hill? Is there a pattern in their support or lack of support for the various bills that flow through Congress? I'm also wondering who some of the alumni are that lived in this house during previous Congresses? We're in the 111th Congress now. Who was part of this family in the 110th, 109th, 108th.... and how did they vote? Is this house Co-Ed? Do/Did women lawmakers live there as well?

This group sounds really creepy. I wonder what kind of influence patterns will be seen as to how this group has shaped this country?

[Mari333]

16. true true but man Im enjoying the bloggers re: Ensign

http://gawker.com/5311396/horny-evangelical-christian-senator-got-mommy-and-daddy-to-bribe-his-piece-on-the-side

[MadHound]

17. Oh I agree, it's a fun freak show watching Ensign, Sanford and others squirm and twist

But the trouble is, while a few folks like Ensign will be sacrificed, the organization as a whole won't be investigated, in part because politicians on both sides of the aisle have too much invested in it, and too many ties to it to allow the thorough airing out that is needed. Thus, the push for a theocratic state will continue unchecked, aided and abetted by both Democrats and Republicans.

[Mari333]

18. well heres to hoping Rachel and the MSM continue exposing them

in the meantime, I watched Ensigns speech in 2008 and I do believe I see Mark Sanford at 4:19....
http://vodpod.com/watch/987914-rnc-day-four-john-ensigns-speech

[Octafish]

21. DU's been on to their religo-gangster asses.

Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

[City Lights]

22. K&R

:thumbsdown: to The Family. Party affiliation doesn't matter to me. Expose all of 'em.

[JohnBT]

23. It's not all Dems vs Repubs all the time.

We seem to be in that campaign mood all the time and that's a big mistake. The democratic party is full of crooks and liars also and we shouldn't be afraid to acknowledge that and/or expose their wrongdoings.

[MadHound]

25. Frankly I see it as Dems working with 'Pugs most of the time

As I've said time and again, it's the two party/same corporate master system of government:shrug:

[LWolf]

27. If they earned the hit, hit them. nt

[Shallah Kali]

29. 87.5% of "Family" & DLC Affiliated Senate Democrats Voted Yes on FISA

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/875-of-family-dlc-affilia_b_112878.html

Many on the newly energized Democratic left have recently become disturbed or dismayed that, even after the insurgent left-powered Democratic reconquest of both branches of Congress in the 2006 election, Congress seems unwilling to oppose George W. Bush on key fronts - on FISA legislation and on Bush Administration moves to provoke a US war with Iran: because The Family has been from its inception overtly antidemocratic in nature, a study of Family influence within contemporary American politics promises to may shed considerable light on the lack of responsiveness of elected representatives, especially within the Democratic Party, to the concerns of their constituents.

As Former Special Assistant to George W. Bush David Kuo wrote in his late 2006 book Tempting Faith, "The Fellowship's reach into governments around the world is almost impossible to overstate or even grasp", and The Family's (or Fellowship's) domestic influence is mammoth as well. Rolling Stone journalist Jeff Sharlet's new book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at The Heart of American Power has provided a crucial, landmark research foundation that I'll be building on, in subsequent installations of this new, ongoing series to demonstrate the influence of The Family within contemporary American politics and within the Democratic Party itself.

A surprising number of Family members and "friends" played key roles as founding members of the DLC in 1985 and the organization's political ideology shared, from the onset, much in common with Family ideology: so much so that a case can be made that the DLC has functioned to inject a secularized version of The Family's ideology--elitist, anti-New Deal, corporatist, militaristic, deeply hostile to church-state separation--into the Democratic Party and, in the process, paralyze the Democratic Party, tying it in knots with predictably ensuing inter-party ideological disputes.

The Family is only one among a number of secretive and cultic para-church organizations that worked, for decades, to burrow into Washington's power structures--recruiting, co-opting and even converting America's top leaders to reactionary, business and corporate friendly, elitist right-wing religious views. The Unification Church, Opus Dei and the welter of ministries operated by Bill Bright's sprawling Campus Crusade For Christ (one of which, "Christian Embassy", organizes prayer cells both on Capitol Hill and within the US Pentagon) each have considerable spheres of influence. But the Family is probably the most influential of all, especially for its pretense to bipartisanship, its central, institutionalized and quasi-governmental role in American national politics and civic religion.

Family doctrine, minimalist at best, emphasizes devotion to Jesus "plus nothing" but one might as well substitute "power" for "Jesus" and because The Family has amassed such a disturbing amount of power, or influence, it has made itself almost unavoidable - even for politicians who would prefer to avoid the group and its `prayer cells'. To get ahead, smart and aspiring politicians on both sides of the aisle will tend to court and pay obeisance to The Family and a heavily disproportionate number of the most prominent of the Democratic Party's emergent leaders have, over the past two decades, been associated with The Family, as "friends" of the Family or even as members, and have held Family-friendly political positions.

[bertman]

35. It's WAY PAST TIME this became front page news. Separation of church and state, indeed.

[Odin2005]

36. This is scarry shit!

:wow:

[MadHound]

37. Scary shit indeed.

I tried telling people about this last fall, but noooo, I must be some sort of PUMA troll or something.

You know it's scary shit when both you and I agree about it:evilgrin::fistbump:

[JI7]

40. which Dems are part of it, and who are the rest of the Republicans that are part of it ?

[GeorgeGist]

41. Low-lifes in high places ...

are like cockroaches; primitive, secretive and successful.