Bush critic Sheehan blasts US Democrats

[seriousstan]

Source: breitbart

Prominent Iraq war opponent Cindy Sheehan urged US President George W. Bush on Friday to "end this madness" and accused his Democratic foes of having "betrayed" their anti-war supporters.

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"Our message is: Today is Good Friday, when Jesus Christ was killed by the Roman Empire. He rose again on Sunday, came back to life. But our loved ones won't be coming home" from Iraq, she told reporters.

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"They got there and they betrayed the grass roots that put them back there," she said. "We can't depend on the Democrats."

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"The timeline is now, not 18 months, not two years," said Sheehan.

The anti-war movement "lost a little momentum during the elections, but it's picking up again" because "the Democrats aren't really doing anything" to end the conflict, she said.



Read more: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070406213651.amoh9jep&show_article=1

[mike_c]

1. Cindy speaks for me!

The supplemental funding bill that provides funds for the war until the end of Bush's term is shameful. Cut off funds NOW!

[ShortnFiery]

39. Yes, and Me! Plus many, many more. IMPEACH now or don't depend on keeping your seat

come the *very next* Democratic Primary challenger. If our leaders in Congress don't Impeach it PROVES, IMO, that they are covertly "in bed" with The Military Industrial Complex OR are beholden to some of the Large Corporations who prop them up. :grr:

You gutless wonders in Congress who do not want to Impeach - screw your seniority - we'll make you HISTORY and give the win to the Democratic Challenger.

Never forget Democratic Representatives - WE are "net roots" and, therefore, we KNOW the M$M is spewing bullshit. We don't listen to Tweety, Blitzer, Carville, Begalla, Brazille, et.al. :grr: :thumbsdown:

Even if we Don't WIN Impeachment, The AMERICAN PEOPLE win by putting "the light of day" on all their crimes and presenting it to the populace. Not even the whorish M$M, nor their lead element FOX news can spin their evil deeds into a positive.

IMPEACHMENT Proceedings, in and of themselves, will give us back our democratic republic.

Words cannot describe how PISSED I am that our Democratic Congress has NOT yet started Impeachment Proceedings when JUSTICE cries out for it. No other Executive Branch has deserved IMpeachment proceedings more than this PRESENT Unitary Executive. :thumbsdown:

Do it NOW or don't depend on winning in your next primary. :grr:

[unkachuck]

121. me too, mike c.....

....bodies, we need more dead bodies, we don't have enough dead bodies....you can only tell a nations' greatness by dead bodies, we need more dead bodies, all kinds of dead bodies, white ones, black ones, brown ones, we just don't have enough dead bodies....

[Zhade]

122. Same here (except for the Jesus stuff)!

NT!

[malaise]

191. Ditto n/t

[sniffa]

2. now THIS is LBN worthy

in other news, hugo chavez denounced president bush... and the sky is bLue.

[BeyondGeography]

3. I'm starting to feel like David Obey

[Donnachaidh]

8. me too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. He apologized for what he said you know

and has reached out to that mom in many ways since then. So do you really think you feel like him?

[leftchick]

4. Go Cindy!

:yourock:

[Tom Joad]

5. The official Dem timeline is way beyond one year. Hillary said it

was indefinite. That there would be a mission for the US military in Iraq in 2009 and beyond.

Cindy knows what she is talking about.

[madfloridian]

6. She is accusing Democrats of betrayal.

She attacks them more than she does the Republicans.

[onehandle]

23. Yep. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. In case you hadn't noticed, they are the majority party now

She also goes after republics and did so intently before November, 2006.

[madfloridian]

34. Have you kept up with the Democrats lately?

Are you aware of the blasts they are taking for fighting back against Bush?

He threatened them again today in his radio address.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1249

[proud2BlibKansan]

124. Of course I have kept up

I am carefully watching everything they do.

Their J O B is to work around the decider.

[John Q. Citizen]

36. Yes, she speaks from the point of view of a citizen, not from the point of view

of a partisan political operative.

It's refreshing.

Cindy has helped the Dems so much since she started her anti-war mission.

She spent how many months camping outside bush's compound demanding bush meet with her while the little coward hid out, the media there showing bush was too callous and too afraid to just talk to her.

She has earned the right to call out Dems for their feet dragging.

I'm so glad there is a Cindy Sheehan in this world. She's moved mountains on this issue, almost single handidly, without a party apparatus, without millions in campaign contributions, and with only the power of her moral authority of a mom whose son was scarificed for oil.

Are the Dems afraid of little ol' Cindy?

Only the nervous ones.

[Wwagsthedog]

7. Dee Kay, All the way!

Let's get someone who will try to end the madness!

[Frances]

11. If Cindy can elect 60 senators who will pull out at once,

more power to her. That's what it will take in the real world. And by the way, the next elections aren't until 2008. In the meantime, I will support Reid in the Senate and Murtha & Pelosi in the House who are doing the best they can with what is possible. And they are battling Bush, who, as I recall, is the one who started and is maintaining the war.

[proud2BlibKansan]

127. The war is not maintained without funding

Those who vote to fund it are as guilty as the one who started it in the first place.

[uppityperson]

131. Hi. Would you please check this out?

#123. Thanks. and elsewhere here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

139. Yep just saw that

Alert is our friend :)

[uppityperson]

141. get the other one lower where is self confessing?

thanks for joining, the more the merrier.

[uppityperson]

133. delete. glitchy double post.

[madfloridian]

9. Does she ever ever blame Republicans? Or the media?

Or does she just blame Democrats?

Does she spread the blame around?

Did she hear Governor Dean's radio speech today?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1249

Does she think ALL Democrats are betraying her?

Has she heard Bush threatening us lately?

[enough already]

37. She blames Bush all the time

Haven't you been paying attention? Fact is that some of our elected 'leaders' won't do shit to end this nightmare. And some supposed on our side don't like that Cindy won't just keep quiet about it.

[madfloridian]

52. Have you followed the news this week?

.

[sandnsea]

10. "squaring off over war plan"

Some people need to get out of their bubbles. It distorts their world view. Cindy has no more right to a dictatorship than Bush. Dems are doing the best they can in what is still a representative democracy where all views have to be listened to.

[madfloridian]

16. We're coming down to a constitutional crisis. and she calls Dems betrayers.

There is a difference between nudging and pushing a party and saying they betrayed us.


Calling Bush a bully.

[ShortnFiery]

40. If they don't start Impeachment Proceedings in the near future, at least start with Gonzo,

then yes, I agree that they are betraying their constituents in favor of The Military Industrial Complex and/or the large Corporations who choose to prop them up (including our entire M$M led by FOX News Network).

Damn them if they don't Impeach!

I will vote for all their democratic Challengers, even Pelosi.

There's something rotten going on ... not just in Denmark. :grr:

[madfloridian]

43. That appears to be what they are doing.

But some here are not paying any attention at all. They are going after everyone they can in this administration, and some of you don't even see it.

You don't have to just impeach the president. His underlings are dangerous as well. If you impeach Bush right now, you get Cheney.

I have been called politically naive here a lot, but even I can see they are doing what they can do without saying they are doing it.

I am afraid Cindy's goal is to hurt the Democrats without realizing she is helping Republicans. I am angry about this war, but I must admit the Democrats overall have impressed me lately with what they doing.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1249

[ShortnFiery]

46. Bullshit! They'll again sit on their hands while the Unitary Executive thumbs it's nose at them.

If they don't at least start Impeachment Proceedings, I believe that the leaders are IN ON our Military Industrial Complex's SCAM on the taxpaying Americans.

Endless f**king WAR everyone? :grr: :puke:

We've been patient since 2000, NO MORE! ;)

[madfloridian]

50. Whatever you say. You are the big boss.

You get to decide.

[ShortnFiery]

55. No, but I don't get my talking points from the DLC on the M$M. That's the difference. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

130. What impressed you?

Paying for 18 months of soldiers dying? Did that impress you? Supporting the surge? Did that impress you? Refusing to keep campaign promises to end the war? Was that impressive to you?

Oh and FYI, the impeachment movement has been calling for the removal of BOTH bush and cheney for some time now.

[RestoreGore]

175. This should not be a partisan issue

Perhaps once those who see it as such get beyond that doing our Constitutional duty will be much clearer. And if you impeach Bush AND Cheney what do you get? You get JUSTICE and the saving of this Republic... but of course, doing the right thing which is harder escapes so many Americans these days. I have not always agreed with Ms. Sheehan's tactics, but at least she is seeing this as a AMERICAN and not a partisan political operative just using this occupation to get votes...and that is EXACTLY what Republicans and Democrats are doing and it makes me sick.

[paulk]

92. since you don't even live in Pelosi's district

how, exactly, are you going to vote for her challenger?

or, for that matter, all the rest of the challengers?


just curious....

[johncoby2]

12. God bless Cindy, but she doesn't know when to keep her mouth shut.

I'm getting pretty tired of it also.

She is coming to Houston on Monday and I hope she is off the bash democrats stuff.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. I doubt it

She is on a roll this weekend.

[Pharaoh]

13. Kicking for Cindy

:dem:

Fuck this War of Lies!

[madfloridian]

14. "the Democrats aren't really doing anything" to end the conflict"

That is just BS

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

20. what are they doing to END the conflict?

[madfloridian]

22. You have not been paying attention.

You and Cindy apparently don't realize the power struggle going on.

Her saying that our Democrats are betraying us has really made me furious.

Have you been reading all the attacks on them? Have you read the news? Have you read DU?

Have you read other liberal blogs?

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

25. you didn't answer the question..

What are democrats doing to END the war?

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. I want to know the answer to that question as well

Extending the war 18 months is not ending it.

[madfloridian]

35. I am not going to answer your question.

Because you and Cindy and all the others who think we are doing nothing....need to read the news. You need to do searches on the bills that are going to be vetoed.

That is your responsibility.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1249

[nodehopper]

65. bills that are going to vetoed?

you mean the timeline bill? the one about which Obama said this week--well, if Bush vetoes it, of course we will give the $ without the timeline anyway.

if that's not preemptive bending over, I don't know what is. So I don't see anything they are doing beyond a nominal gesture.

the bill will go to bush. bush will veto is. dems will give the $. Obama already said so.

[The Count]

110. Kos said so, Obama didn't. dems have the legislature - they pass laws

to end the war. When they'll have the executive they'll be able to decide more. Assuming we get someone who actually thinks war is wrong.

[nodehopper]

182. so the dems won't release the money?

they can keep sending the bill back. that's what I want to see. are they going to do that?

[uppityperson]

68. You make a statement yet won't back it up beyond telling us to read the news

It is your responsibility to be able to back up any statements you make. Prove what you say or shut up.

[madfloridian]

70. No, it is your job to know what the party is doing

before you condemn them.

[uppityperson]

73. I am not condemning, but want to know the basis of your claim.

You make a claim, I want to know the basis. I have been capable of learning, of changing, when shown the right information. You make a claim, show what you mean beyond "you find it".

[proud2BlibKansan]

132. In other words, they are doing NOTHING to end the war

But then, we already knew the answer.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

174. that's ok.. i already know the answer

[Vidar]

15. Cindy's right

[madfloridian]

17. She goes overboard.

I am sorry. But we are in a crisis in this country.

Our Democrats are not the ones we should accuse of betrayal.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. I worked for a progressive Dem who got elected in November

and she has done a complete reversal. She talked out against the war, now she supports the surge. THAT is betrayal. Our entire peace community who worked our asses off to help her and many others DO feel betrayed. More so by these so-called 'progressive Dems' than by any republicans. The republicans didn't look us in the eye and promise to end the war.

[MDTXpolitics]

116. How about we WIN the war!!!

[uppityperson]

119. How do we "WIN the war!!"?

What do you define as winning it? How should it be gone about?

[Name removed]

123. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[uppityperson]

125. Were the Iraqi people better off before the invasion/occupation? Yes.

Let's see. They have less electricity, less medical care, less food, more chances of dying in the violence now than when Saddam was in power. What is better? Do you feel they are better off now?

"We WIN by continuing to do what we are doing", which is what?

Here is a website you might find interesting. http://icasualties.org/oif/

[proud2BlibKansan]

135. You go, uppity!

You bet they were better off. They had electricity for one thing. :hi:

[MDTXpolitics]

138. Mass graves...

I do not know the total number of deaths at the hands of Saddam, but I have read reports that it is in the high hundreds of thousands if not more. Though civilian and Iraqi military deaths are awful, the total number falls well short of the number of civilians who were killed under his rule. And those reliable sources were soldiers whom had returned from Iraq, many after their 2nd tour. I would consider them quite reliable.

The "what" is a massive surge in troop levels. As I said, I feel the initial deployment at the start of the war should have been 300-400K.

[uppityperson]

140. Reliable soldiers ready to deploy for 3rd time say different.

How many civilians were killed under Saddam?

[MDTXpolitics]

144. You seem to know

all the stats...you tell me.

[MDTXpolitics]

145. You never

responded to my post below (near the bottom), besides throwing the regs book at me.

[uppityperson]

146. This is a detailed explanation of how we enforce the basic message board rules.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.

[MDTXpolitics]

148. HaHa

Thats OK, this is my last post, as any form of dialogue is impossible. But seriously, do you disagree with why I posted here? An honest response is apprciated, but not expected. You can throw the forum rules at me again but step up and tell me whether you agree or disagree with me on this one. Thanks.

[uppityperson]

150. If you are stupid enough to prove you can't read posts, or rules, go away.

[Redstone]

152. And what, specifically, makes you an expert on military matters? Can you provide

us some credentials?

Redstone

[leftchick]

187. close to a MILLION Dead Iraqis in four years

over 2 MILLION displaced in camps or in other countries. I am sure they are better off now than under Saddam aren't you? :sarcasm:

My reliable source for that number is Human Rights Watch and the Peer reviewed Lancet Study not "hear say".

[uppityperson]

128. What progess, what "reliable sources" say this please.

[lakeguy]

183. according to statistics you like to quote

but not give any numbers for...yes, iraqis were better off when saddam was in power. and that's saying quite a bit considering the sanctions they were under for over a decade. nice try.

[Doctor_J]

184. We win by continuing to do what we are doing?

We have been doing what we're doing for 4 years, and have nothing to show for it except a deficit that our grandchildrean will inherit, 750,000 dead people, and a world of enemies.

Thanks for stopping by, Rush. I can't figure out if you are:

1. A lying piece of shit
2. Paid by Karl Rove
3. A psychopath who should be in a wraparound jacket until you head to hell

Good riddance

[nodehopper]

185. why are you arguing with a freeper? see post count

[uppityperson]

194. that was at the beginning, handing poster more rope, hoping would take.

Did take. And all of us had low counts at one time.

[proud2BlibKansan]

134. Remember 'Mission Accomplished'??

We done won this damn war already.

[Name removed]

149. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[uppityperson]

151. Even polite ones are not welcome here indeed.

stupid ones either.

[Redstone]

155. No, he wan't EVEN polite. Just pretending to be so, as many of them do. As if they'd

really be able to fool us. You know, it must be awfully pathetic to have a life that's so short of meaning or purpose, that the only thing that makes you feel that your life is worthwhile, is to troll an internet discussion board.

Christ, we ought to feel sorry for this troll and the other freeps and CUers. Lost souls they are, are they not?

Unless they're just really fucking stupid losers, which is a strong possibility as well, isn't it?

Redstone

[uppityperson]

163. I give people the benefit of the doubt at first.

Once they prove they cannot read, or did not understand what was clearly stated, or say "last post" numerous times, I don't consider them polite but time wasters.

[RestoreGore]

177. It's an occupation. We lost our soul when the first "shock and awe" bomb dropped n/t

[Vidar]

106. We elected the clowns to stop the war & to get Bush out.

They have done neither.

[RestoreGore]

176. the 1st amendment rules

Is it now you are either with us or against us on the other side as well? It smacks of Ari Flesischer when he told Americans to watch what they say. It matters not your party. When you do not fulfill your sworn oath you are open to criticism. Al Gore criticized Democrats as well as Republicans in his speech of January 16, 2006 and told them ALL to fulfill their oaths. Should he watch what he says too in speaking as an American? I think not. It also goes without saying that the traitorous Fascists who dare even call themselves Republicans after hijacking that party have continued their enabling... it is therefore VERY SAD to see that Democrats are beginning to follow in their footsteps by totally ignoring the true gravity of what we now face the longer these criminals are allowed to remain in offices they had absolutely NO RIGHT to in the first place while we continue to play political pattycake as innocent lives continue to be lost. We should expect better from our own! Where is the call to repeal the Patriot Act? The Military Commissions Act? The Real ID Act? Where is it? What will we get for our votes and support? "Investigations" that ultimately go nowhere and that will be dragged out to the next election just to search for votes in a system where those votes are even in question as far as really being counted? It has come to the point for me that if they cannot and will not stand up to the secret society/military industrial complex NOW with all of the might the Constitution provides them, that they are no better and deserving of the criticism coming theur way for then not putting this country over their own party.

[sandnsea]

19. 10 states have introduced impeachment

Deadline language is in a supplemental bill. Separate deadline language has the support of Reid. Pelosi is putting the reputation of the entire Dem Party on the line over in the ME. But Dems are doing nothing. :eyes:

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

18. 2 factions of 1 corporate party..

struggling for power

[grytpype]

21. MIRACLE ALL THE TROOPS HOME TOMORROW!!!!!!!!111!!

SORRY I MEAN TODAY!!!11!!!!!

[Senator]

24. Sorry, Dems -- But the Truth Hurts. Cheney/Bush/Rove are All Chuckling...

...at the oldest joke in DC.

"Gosh, for a minute there I thought they might actually DO something."

Talking is not doing. Cutting funds is not doing. Pretending you are "pressuring" is not doing.

Only Impeachment ... is actually DOING.

Anything else is just "words on a page" to these war criminals. Yes, anything. Just something else to be "signing-statemented" away.

It's the only thing that makes any sense on any level - moral, logical, political, historical, electoral -- you name it. (That is, if one's not mired in the Beltway Bedlam Blather Bubble.)

It is our ONLY meaningful option.

--

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. AMEN!

[nookiemonster]

31. Yep, and why is it so freakin' hard?

Hell, if the threshold was set as a blowjob in the White House, this should be a no-brainer.....

:wtf:

[Cha]

77. And it Hurts our dying and maimed, and

forgotten Soldiers Even More!

[enough already]

89. Hit the nail right on the Chimp's pin-head

Impeachment is the only answer, and Dems won't do it.

[leQ]

105. i agree. AMEN!

[RestoreGore]

179. Hitting the nail on the head. n/t

[Akoto]

33. Cindy is apparently ignorant of the political process.

Sorry. I am deeply sympathetic to her loss, but firing off shots at our party is idiotic and self-defeating. Does she think that the Democrats have a magic wand which produces votes? A genie in a lamp which widens our majority?

Democrats are in the majority, yes. A slim majority. The larger gap in the House is ultimately closed in the Senate, where our majority is exceptionally tight and is bridged by Joe Lieberman, who bends like a straw in the wind for the Republicans.

There is a political struggle going on. We must pick and choose our battles until we have chipped away enough of the facade to win. Simply saying "okay, we're putting this bill forward to end the war today and bring everybody home tomorrow" is unrealistic at this time and will fail. Hell, we barely passed a bill to fund the war because it had a caveat that we should leave down the road, and it'll just be vetoed anyhow.

If Cindy wants to help, she can stick with what she was doing: hammering at the man responsible for starting the conflict. We don't live in a fantasy world where we can simply dismiss the dozens of votes we don't yet have but would need to make this happen.

[ShortnFiery]

42. Our CHILDREN are dying for a lie. F**k the political process! Do what's right for the people

not your personal careers in The House. Arrogant "political elites" exist on both sides of the aisle and I'm getting disgusted with them. :grr:

[Akoto]

44. In an ideal world, that's exactly what would happen, but ...

We don't live in an ideal world. Our party is doing the best it can within the limits of the political structure, against Republicans who will subvert the cause by any means necessary. Cindy only undermines their work with her potshots.

If she absolutely needs someone other than Bush to blame, then why doesn't she target the Congressional Republicans who're throwing roadblocks in front of every attempt to stop the war?

[ShortnFiery]

51. Stop with the Walgreen's commercial meme, we MAKE it HAPPEN.

Back during the Vietnam Conflict, Our blessed Democratic Representatives demonstrated the EXACT same CHICKEN SHIT behavior that they are revealing today.

The true difference was that there actually were HONORABLE republicans in Congress who told Tricky Dick that it's time to GO, or else!?!

We have to get in their faces (our congressional representatives) or vote these gutless wonders out to their next democratic challenger IN ORDER to get their attention.

They need to KNOW that they work for their constituents, not to pad their re-election war chests or for the best interest of their personal careers.

This is nothing new. When the Military shows that it's "coming apart at the seams" then it's going to get interesting because The War Marching will want YOUR children. At that time, you folks who are urging us "to be patient" will be out in the streets protesting with us. Bank on it! ;)

[Akoto]

74. Actually ...

I am twenty-two and have no children. I'm of prime drafting age. That doesn't blind me to the reality that we can't magically withdraw all the troops tomorrow without enough compliant politicians.

[Pharaoh]

78. why not?

Cause Iraq will descend into Chaos? :rofl:

[CANDO]

126. All the heat will be on the Senate minority.

How in dog's name can they stand there and vote not to convict this evil bastard with a 29/30% approval rating? There are 22 of 33 seats which the repigs will have to defend in '08. They will be shitting their pants with all the enormous public pressure backing impeachment. You can't just look at the slim majority. There's too much else to take into account.

[madfloridian]

38. The headline should read: Cindy blasts Republicans for threatenng Democrats

and bullying them.

Why does she only go after Democrats? Is she going to start a new third party and make a move about it near the election? Is PDA going to be working with her...will they make the Democrats "pay" for being unable to override Bush's little veto pen??

So many questions, so few answers. Just a headline saying Cindy blasts Democrats.

Meanwhile very few in this thread have a clue of what the Democrats have been doing these last few weeks under threats and bullying from Bush.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1249

[ShortnFiery]

41. If Democrats don't Impeach, they choose The Military Industrial Complex over the People.

Cindy Sheehan is spot on! :applause: :patriot: :thumbsup:

[madfloridian]

45. You seem totally unaware of who they are investigating.

You really do.

[ShortnFiery]

47. No, I understand much better than you what EXACTLY is going on in D.C. n/t

[madfloridian]

49. That's nice.

.

[madfloridian]

48. What magic wand does she want them to use?

She never got an answer to her question "what noble cause."

But maybe you can tell us what magic wand the Democrats who are the "betrayers" can wave in the air and boom get the troops home?

Could some of you share with me how else they can do it??

[ShortnFiery]

53. Nothing magic. Just do your damn jobs and stop worrying about your careers first.

That's a no brainier. :eyes:

[madfloridian]

56. So nice to be perfect. So nice to be humble. So nice to tell others

how to solve the world's problems.

Nice to be the decider.

Remember Mac Davis's song...Oh Lord aint it hard to be humble. To be perfect in every way.

[ShortnFiery]

59. That type of TACTIC is only pulled out when you know that the argument is lost. n/t

[madfloridian]

60. Song.

http://www.stinalisa.com/Chris.html

[ShortnFiery]

62. Personal insults are so below you. Did I mention that our children are dying? n/t

[maddezmom]

57. what newly elected people are the betrayers?

:shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

136. Nancy Boyda is one

[maddezmom]

54. I think maybe for the first time in a long time

you and I agree on something. :D The margin in Congress is razor thin, and a lot of the new congress critters elected are moderates. The Dems are doing their best and I for one am willing to watch and see how this plays out.

[ShortnFiery]

58. Yes, the SC just ruled out intervention on GITMO again - Alito and Roberts? No FILIBUSTER

Oh that sure turned out well. :eyes:

Just a thought: if our Senate Democrats would have even MADE THE EFFORT to Filibuster Alito, they would have a much STRONGER majority than the one they eked out today. A Robert's Filibuster would have been more difficult to justify but it could be: Remember his past belonging to The Federalist Society?

But Our Democratic Representatives DEMANDED that we allow them to "keep their powder dry."

Oh, our powder is as dry as the desert and the PEOPLE are fed up with excuses. :grr:

[maddezmom]

61. what does that have to do with the newly elected congress?

[ShortnFiery]

63. Oh stop, it's all inter-related. We see this from opposite sides. You know that as well as I. n/t

[maddezmom]

67. I'll stop, but I don't put the blame at the Dems

:)

[ShortnFiery]

81. You misquote me. I don't either. I put the blame on cowardice - both sides. Time will tell. n/t

[maddezmom]

86. I didn't misquote you

I was responding to your post upthread where you called the Dems cowards. All of them? Some of them? the newly elected ones? :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

88. There are a number of "coward medals" to go around, however, albeit

I'm 100% opposed to Chuck Hagel's politics, he has the courage to not rule-out Impeachment. :wow:

This is a complex issue and one should be very careful to not "go along" with whatever the Democratic Leadership throws at us. Remember that there is still a lot of corruption within our political ranks, both sides.

Just like stopping the Vietnam Conflict, don't for a minute believe that it was a political party - it was the people.

I'm a liberal and a proud (small d) democrat. Any power has the potential to corrupt and we must take it upon ourselves to keep our beloved representatives honest.

IMO, you paint me with a broad brush stroke that is not deserved. :shrug:

[maddezmom]

91. sorry you feel I'm painting you

with any brush and I hope you're not painting me with the same one you think I'm using. We've agreed on many issues before and probably will again but this is one area that we see differently. Believe me I'm not your enemy. :)

[ShortnFiery]

98. Nor am I yours. :-)

This illegal Iraqi occupation brings out the passion in us all.

Peace and best wishes. :hi:

[maddezmom]

100. peace

:hug: It's so crazy f'd up I'm usually crazy and f'd up. Sorry, I relly didn't mean any illwill...is that a word? :)

[ShortnFiery]

104. Sure, I'm the furthest thing from a grammarian.

It's painful to live in a country where the damn M$M and others seemingly are successful at keeping the American populace divided. :(

We must both try to find common ground to end this war as soon as possible. Agreed. :hug:

[trollsfliptheadmood]

82. i think/

i think the newly elected congress meme about moderates is a dlc and right wing federalist/neocon talking point (did i say MSM).The republicans go for an extreme position and get what they want, when a little compromise is offered .WHY cant we ,the democrats ,have a strong (extreme)peace ,NO WAR,movement!STOP the military industrial complexes bankrupting and embezzling this country assets toward third world status.(terrorterror)Are we safe yet pet owners?I think cindy sheehan is a great person and is one of many tragedies! I think they are probably trying to tarnish/frame her image to the world also, as we speak.post thanks to welcomes(ilurkeyfor5yrs?;)

[maddezmom]

85. I don't think it's a talking point

it's a reality. And people that say it aren't RW'ers unless you think I am. :D If you check you madfloridian's journal, I'm sure you'll find quite a bit about it. We have a majority, but they all don't think like us. I want our guys home yesterday, but they have to work within their own limitations.

[uppityperson]

97. You back to lurky too. Bye

[Redstone]

158. Not to mention illiterate. Nice quick catch on your part.

Redstone

[nodehopper]

66. well, for one

once bush vetoes the bill they can keep sending it back

instead, we already have Obama announcing that once Bush vetoes the bill, of course they will still fund the war, even without a timeline.

[madfloridian]

69. You are using this thread to diss Obama.

That has been debunked....not what he said.

[nodehopper]

72. it has? I haven't seen it. Do you have a link, please?

[MODemocrat]

64. Cindy is labeling the Democrats "betrayers" after only a few weeks in majority

IMHO,they are being dilligent. Cindy should know how tough it is to stop this arrogant President; after all, she's been trying to get a face to face meeting with him for over two years now with no success. Why not give the Democratic Party a little slack, instead of Pinning all these war woes on them? Keep after Bush and Cheney also. :shrug:

[uppityperson]

71. Cindy is 1 person expressing what she believes. I usually stand with her.

Thank you Cindy for risking all you do by doing all you have.

[maddezmom]

75. I have the utmost respect for Cindy and her views

She's paid the ultimate price for this unjust, immoral war. I just don't have the same view about who the villains are....:shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

76. But she stands for a significant percentage of us who refuse to buy into the M$M

Think about this as an aside: Nancy Pelosi would NOT have caught hell for visiting Syria IF we enjoyed a FREE PRESS. :think:

IMO, the Democratic Representatives will NOT impeach primarily because our RNC (FOX) and covert (DLC and Military Industrial Complex enabling) USA Mass Media will viciously *attack them* with all they've got. And they will.

However, those who took their oath to uphold and defend The Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, should JUSTLY follow through with Impeachment Proceedings even knowing that they risk their careers. Why? Because it is the RIGHT and MORAL action and it is what they SWORE to do when they took this oath.

No, the entire Democratic Party, IMO, is running scared because, unlike during the Vietnam Era, we do not even have the semblance of a FREE PRESS CORPS.

If our Democratic Representatives could muster up the courage to merely conduct Impeach Proceedings (they wouldn't even have to win), then the EVIDENCE would see the light of day and be revealed to the average American voter. Not even our CORPORATE press will be able to spin this Unitary Executive's criminal actions to the positive.

But the bottom line is: Some careers may be destroyed for THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and the sake of re-installing our beloved Democratic Republic. Can't have that!

Thus, these representatives choose CAREER over COUNTRY when they fail to Impeach.

Yes, IMO, Cindy Sheehan speaks the truth that you will NOT allow yourself to accept. But I understand that the truth can be very emotionally painful. Please wake up and help save our Constitution?

[uppityperson]

79. Odd thing, but we are together on this.

save your arguments for those not in the choir.

[ShortnFiery]

80. Then we are NOT together on this but you are fully aware of that fact.

No, what have we been discussing in this thread is not a sense of unity. No, far from it.

But nice try. :hi:

[uppityperson]

83. I just got on this thread and am in agreement with you.

I somehow thought that if I was agreeing with you that we were in agreement. If you disagree, oh well. You are noticing who you are replying to, right?

[ShortnFiery]

87. Please, you don't agree with me ... look at you post above that? It's OK - usually! n/t

[uppityperson]

90. Sorry, I thought you were in agreement with her and the problems of no free press

Here is my first post.
"Cindy is 1 person expressing what she believes. I usually stand with her. Thank you Cindy for risking all you do by doing all you have."

You posted "Yes, IMO, Cindy Sheehan speaks the truth that you will NOT allow yourself to accept. "

Since I agree she speaks the truth, I said don't preach to the choir since I agree with what you wrote.

Now you seem to say that since I agree with what you wrote, we are not in agreement. Excuse me for my error, I got the idea that you were in agreement with her and that, like me, you do not think we have a free press and this is a big problem.

I am uppityperson, not maddezmom that you have had discussions elsewhere in this thread.

[maddezmom]

94. what's wrong with being

maddezmom? :hi:

[uppityperson]

95. Hiya, nothing at all, just don't want to co-opt your "discussions"

with one so short and fiery. Have at it! :toast:
I relearned something today, that there is probably no one I agree or disagree with 100% of the time. Or hardly anyone. 99.9999999% perhaps, but not 100%

[maddezmom]

103. was just kidding

:toast: As long as disagreements are civil, it's kind of nice not agreeing all the time. I learn new things all along the way. :D

[ShortnFiery]

96. We're splitting hairs but, IMO, by qualifying your statement that you are NOT in

agreement with her THIS time.

Add the above with the censure to "keep it for the opposition, not the choir" ... well then, most analysis would conclude that your are tweaking me and very well may not be in agreement. Therefore, I did not confuse you with anyone and the fact that thou seemingly "protestith too much" is only helping to provide veracity to my opinion: 1) you either don't agree with Cindy THIS time; and/or 2) you don't much care for the cut of my jib. :blush:

No matter. We both come out alright ... just, IMO, talking past each other. :shrug:

[uppityperson]

99. I agree with her "usually" and I agree with her this time.

Not always since I do not agree with ANYONE always. Sorry, not meaning to tweak, just writing shorthand too fast (preach to choir is shorthand for I agree with you, spend your energies discussing it with someone who disagrees that you might convert rather than the already converted). And I find it odd that we are in agreement about agreeing about anything since usually we don't, but I agree with Cindy, and I agree with you. Next time we may argue and disagree.

Edited to add more about "usually". I put that in there for a couple reasons. I don't agree with anyone all the time. People who say "cindy doesn't speak/stand for me" I have a problem with since she is only 1 person, speaking for herself. I have stood with her, and supported her, and done things for her both financially and with my body. She has been a galvanizing force for me, getting me further involved in actually doing things to end this occupation, as opposed to being a keyboard warrior. She may be only 1 person, may speak what she feels, but I sure as hell agree with her, appreciate her, and continue to support her and her message, though not everything always with every subject. Ending the occupation of Iraq, holding the Dems feet to the fire, getting a fucking freer press, yes.

[ShortnFiery]

101. Well then I humbly apologize for my misinterpretation.

Thank you for helping to make me understand your position. I'm not too proud to admit when I'm wrong, especially on these emotionally laden issues. :blush: :hi:

uppityperson :yourock:

[uppityperson]

102. thanks. I just edited above.

[Larkspur]

84. Good for Cindy Sheehan to keep the fire under the Democrats

While I support Rep. David Obey and Sen. Russ Feingold, there are Democrats who are either for the war or are afraid to look weak if they support withdrawal from Iraq. Sheehan is doing her civic duty to critique the Dem leadership and keep them working towards a full withdrawal from Iraq.

[Peace Patriot]

93. Hey, Cindy, you need to ask how Diebold/ES&S shapes our elections so that...

...we have 75% of the American people who oppose the war and want it ended, but can only achieve a 50/50 Congress.

That's not very representative. Why?

The answer is staring us in the face: During the 2002 to 2004 period, our election system was converted to electronic voting, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations.

Ron Baiman (statistical expert, PhD--and others) believe they are putting a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites, warmongers and corporatists. They have the capability. Why wouldn't these conscienceless bastards use it? And that includes in the primaries--not just who wins, but who gets to run.

So, the situation is that the people have to outvote the machines. They did that as well as they could in '06, and got an improvement. But Congress is still clogged with dinosaurs who were not really elected. And there was also the problem that only 1/3 of the Senate was up for reelection this time. But if the House had achieved the true number of seats that were predicted in preelection polls, and by other stats, more antiwar Democrats would have won, and more Democrats overall--50 instead of 30. The House, and the antiwar Dems, would then have had more clout with the Senate in dealing with both war and impeachment.

My advice: Don't rag on the GOOD Democrats--the ones who were truly elected, and truly represent the interests of the American people. They have an uphill battle--even if it is their own fault (--their failure to object to the 'trade secret' programming, and their protection of it even now). Point out WHY this huge discrepancy between the will of the people and the Congress still exists. Call them on THIS--not on the war. They may be fine on the war issue, but it is THIS--the non-transparent, "Stalinist" vote counting system--that is the problem. This is why. And it is fixable. And they are NOT fixing it. They are giving it a cosmetic bandaid--leaving the "trade secret" programming in place.

[NotGivingUp]

107. dems got in and their obviously playing the same game as repukes.

neither team is playing for us.

[madfloridian]

108. I never got an answer. What magic wand?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2798433&mesg_id=2798555

Never got an answer about how to get the job done when you have Bush in charge.

What magic wand?

[ckramer]

109. Cindy sould run for Congress!

She will win.

[MDTXpolitics]

111. Is it not...

time that Cindy Sheehan just go away, already?  She has become
such a hypocrite.

[uppityperson]

114. How is this hypocritical, how is she "such a hypocrite"?

I am curious, thanks

[MDTXpolitics]

117. For railing against...

the Bush Admin and the Iraq war, then fully supporting the anti-war dems running for office, then railing against THEM for failing to end the war immediately once they took office. Her rhetoric is getting old and she is burning through her friends. I would love to see a poll that asks, "Do you think Cyndy Sheehan is a lunatic?" The response would be overwhelmingly in the affirmative. Just my opinion. And I have visited her commune, sorry I meant camp, down in Crawford. I was very curious how I would be recieved by the protesters down there, especially in my blue t-shirt with a big W on it. I actually had a very constructive conversation with a fellow at the commune. I wish I could remember his name, he was an incredibly intelligent guy and we had a great discussion despite our philosophical differences. I have never seen more unemployable people in one place in my life, wth the exception of the lines at the unemployment office. Anyway, I am rambling, but I hope this answers you question. I have other thoughts on her hypocrisies, but enough for now.

[uppityperson]

118. Why are you on DU?

[uppityperson]

120. Hello, are you still there?

Tell us more about your thoughts, please. I am sure many of us would enjoy hearing what you think, as a "W" shirt wearing poster recently come to DU. Tell us anything.

[MDTXpolitics]

129. Anything?

Well, I have blue eyes and brown hair...just kidding. Why am I here? It really is simple. I have a set of political/philosophical beliefs that may be the polar opposite of yours. Despite our differences, I could probably learn a few things here, and quite possibly you may be able to learn a few things from me. If I have discussions only with folks who share the exact same mindset as me I am simply reinforcing an existing system of beliefs. No learning or perspective sharing actually takes place. That is why civil discussion with another person whose philosophy is different is a good thing. You should encourage a few conservatives to join a discussion. It would definately liven things up a bit and perhaps both parties could learn something. Thats the problem with today's politics (on both sides). One party will absolutely not listen to the other. And that is no good, in my opinion.

What do you think?

And by the way, my comment about the "unemployables" was out of line. My apologies.

[uppityperson]

137. Here is a link to the rules.There are other forums to mix with.

Lots of other forums that you can go to, here is what DU is for. Sounds like you don't meet these qualifications. These rules may be restrictive, but they are here and this is why we are here so we can talk with like Democrats and other progressives. Try yahoo perhaps.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

2. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

[MDTXpolitics]

142. Fine with me...

but you never told me what you thought of my being here and the positive effect of conversing with someone of differing opinions.

[MDTXpolitics]

143. And I thought

you wanted to hear what I think? I told you and then you throw a rules book at me? But that OK, my wife is a liberal and she is my opposing viewpoint. Can you believe that, a liberal and a conservative living happily ever after? Gotta love it!

[Madspirit]

192. Another One!

**"And I thought you wanted to hear what I think?"**


I don't! I don't! This isn't an open group. It is FOR Democrats and other progressives and their views. That's all. It is a private group for OUR views.
I feel sorry for you wife, just btw. Poor thing.

These people have been showing up a lot lately.
Lee

[Madspirit]

193. Damn!

They're always Tombstoned by the time I get to say anything.
Our mods are fast. Whoohoohoo
Lee

[uppityperson]

195. Bye

[Name removed]

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[MDTXpolitics]

153. Greetings

As you may have read in a post near the top of this thread, this is my last post. Forgive me for assuming that civil dialogue is a possibility here. Be well and Happy Easter.

[Name removed]

159. Deleted message

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[MDTXpolitics]

154. sorry...

second to last post...what the heck is a "Granite Chiklet" and how would I break a tooth on it? I need to know.

[Name removed]

156. Deleted message

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[MDTXpolitics]

160. I swear

that I did not know what that is. There is really no need to be so hostile. Its just a message board for cryin out loud! It's not life and death. My buddy's girlfriend told me about the site, thought I would check it out. No harm, no foul. Seriously, last post, and I am cancelling my ability to post. Be well.

[Name removed]

161. Deleted message

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[uppityperson]

162. how many last posts can 1 poster post, before we call them TS'd?

sing it.

[Name removed]

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[uppityperson]

167. You too, even though it still isn't gone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=202561
A self proclaimed person who shouldn't be here, still is here. patience, keep reminding myself patience. Will check in tomorrow to see progress. Night Redstone.

[rusty60]

112. She should watch what she says!

Things don't happen over night and I get tired of people calling other people names and not doing enough. Until the Dem control the senate there is little that can be done to stop the moron in power since one person can block things there.

[madfloridian]

113. I have an idea...why don't they join this group in Denver to protest Dean...

while he is there trying work out union details and other stuff for the convention? That would be nice. Let all the liberal folks band together to attack the very ones who are working to bring change.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian

Title?
"Protesting Dean when he visits Denver to try to get the union stuff fixed...make me angry."

[IndianaGreen]

115. Congress Has No Choice But to Act on Iraq

"Iraq must withdraw from Kuwait completely, immediately, and without conditions."

President George Herbert Walker Bush

Just as Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was a criminal and illegal invasion for the oil, so was America's invasion of Iraq. The same standard applied to Iraq in regards to Kuwait must also be applied to the US. America must withdraw from Iraq completely, immediately, and without conditions.

Our duty as citizens is to bring this war to an end, completely (no military footprint left behind), immediately (within 6-months tops), and without conditions (there will never be a "good time" to withdraw, so to save Americans lives it is best to leave as rapidly as possible).

Or duty as voters is to keep pressure on the Congress to end the war, and to stop adding names to a future Iraq War monument.

Congress Has No Choice But to Act on Iraq

By Reps. Lynn Woolsey, Barbara Lee and Maxine Waters
Roll Call

Thursday 15 February 2007

As leaders of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and Out of Iraq Caucus, we are proud that the House has begun to take up the moral dilemma of our times - our continued military occupation of Iraq. Congress finally will have the opportunity to express its disapproval of President Bush's escalation plan, a flawed strategy piled on a 4-year-old failed policy.

By deepening our engagement, escalation will further stoke the fires of civil war in Iraq while increasing the cost to Americans in lives, limbs and treasure.

The political battle lines are clear: On one side we have a bipartisan Congressional majority, roughly two-thirds of the American people, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Iraq Study Group and former military leaders such as Colin Powell. On the other: an unpopular, lame-duck president; too many Congressional Republicans; and the editors of The Weekly Standard - all of whom are willing to accept more American casualties in the name of a policy that is making us less secure and damages our standing in the world.

<snip>

Our own comprehensive bill, the Bring Our Troops Home and Sovereignty of Iraq Restoration Act, would complete a fully funded military withdrawal from Iraq within six months while ensuring that our troops and contractors leave safely and accelerate the training of Iraqi security forces.

In addition, our bill would remove the specter of an endless occupation by preventing the establishment of permanent military bases and reiterate our commitment, at the invitation of the Iraqi government, to working with the international community to assist Iraq in its reconstruction and reconciliation efforts. We also would stand ready, if asked by the Iraqis, to participate in an international stabilization force. Our bill also ensures health benefits for all of our military personnel.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021507A.shtml

[MaggieSwanson]

157. Cindy has my full support.

Her cause is to call on the powers that be to end this war. It is not a partisan issue for her, and she has repeatedly (and loudly) called out Republican warmongers for the past few years. I have no issues with her free speech, or with her comments pertaining to warmongering Democrats.

I'll proudly continue to stand with Cindy. :patriot:

[madfloridian]

164. Maybe you could answer my question question about the "magic wand"

No one else is. I have asked it at least twice in this thread. What magic wand should the Dems wave to get the troops out.

No one is answering me.

[uppityperson]

165. There is not magic wand, just a lot of hard work and risk and more hard work.

I answered you. Cool, eh? Now, off to the question of why is the only thing you can see the Dems doing differently is a "magic wand"?

[madfloridian]

169. What magic wand will let them get the troops home?

When Little Boots says no?

They are investigating everyone around him. His house of cards will fall, but if we impeach him now we get Cheney.

How do they get the troops out? Other than what they are doing?

[uppityperson]

170. No magic wand. Will need to risk a lot, or wait a while and see what falls where.

In the meantime, more die, more get injured in all sorts of ways, more destruction. No magic wand. Keep up the pressure on them all though is a good thing. It just sucks.

[MaggieSwanson]

171. Well, for starters

They could have voted against funding the continuation of the war. Before you get angry with me - I fully understand that they do not have a veto-proof majority. But I did not help put my brand-new Democratic Congressperson in office to have him back down from his principles because he was afraid to be painted as "anti-troop". He campaigned on an anti-war platform, and now he's paying for MORE war. I would like to have seen him take a stand and vote against Bush's war budget.

I don't think anyone is saying that there is a "magic wand". But to try to spin funding Bush's war as some sort of strategy to bring about a timeframe is rather weak, imho.

[uppityperson]

172. Thank you for saying what my tired mind can't come up with.

Time for bed, good luck with figuring it out. Onward.

[madfloridian]

173. Well, actually there are many like me who are truly wary of defunding.

Not for political reasons for the election. But because we have a leader who is quite capable of keeping the troops there, depriving them (he has already done that shamelessly)...and doing it to spite the Democrats.

They have already treated them pitifully in every way, contaminated drinking water, lack of proper food, lack of proper armor, and so on.

They would have not a scruple about leaving them there to be slaughtered. I think most would agree with me. They do not care about the troops.

[nodehopper]

188. but the war IS adequately funded

the "funding crisis" is made up. Even without the extra $, the war is fully funded through august.

secondly, the soldiers have been/are being deprived not because of lack of funds, but because of corruption, embezzlement and misappropriation. If most of the money wasn't lining the pockets of contractors, and if the war overseers didn't just "lost" 4 billion dollars and then go "I dunno" when questioned about that in hearings (Remember that?), soldiers' families wouldn't have to send them gear and boots. I have serious doubts that more $, even if it was allotted, would actually benefit the soldiers.

[nodehopper]

186. I believe I answered you

At least partially. When Bush vetoes, the Democrats should send the same bill back over and over, and let him either veto it--again and again--which would result in one of several possibilities

a) forcing him to sign the bill with the timeline, thus moving us that much closer, definitively, to getting the troops out

b) making Bush responsible for not funding the troops--which wouldn't fly well with his ever-dwindling base of supporters--which I think would make it likely that in true Orwellian fashion, he would declare victory and start withdrawing at least active combat troops

hopefully in the process the fact that this war IS funded and overpaid for, and that the soldiers would have ALL they needed if billions weren't going to the likes of Halliburton and Lockheed Martin would finally loom in public view.

[cqo_000]

168. Well said Mrs. Sheehan! Thank you!

Thank you for showing your continued commitment to ending this war. The world needs more Americans like you.

[Omaha Steve]

178. One week from today my family will see Cindy in person

http://www.peaceexpo.org/

Sunday April 15, 2007

1:00 - 5:30 pm

UNO Student Center

the 3rd Omaha Peace & Justice Expo

Admission - $5 suggested donation

Cindy Sheehan - Keynote speaker

We are very excited to have Cindy Sheehan as our keynote speaker!

She is considered by many to be the face of the resistance to the Iraq war!

Cindy Sheehan became a vocal war opponent after her son was killed in Iraq. She gained national attention in 2005 when she and hundreds of other protesters camped outside Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, and demanded an audience with the president.

Cindy Sheehan Links:

Cindy Sheehan Blog: http://cindy-sheehan.org/

Gold Star Families for Peace: http://gsfp.live.radicaldesigns.org/index.php

Cindy Sheehan quotes: http://thinkexist.com/quotes/cindy_sheehan/

Camp Casey Video Reports: http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml

[IndianaGreen]

189. Cindy is coming here to Indianapolis as the keynote speaker

for the Midwest Peace and Justice Conference at IUPUI campus.

We must keep pressure on the Congress to bring this war to an end NOW, not later. If they fail to do so, they will have to answer to the voters in the primaries and the general election.

[Kingofalldems]

180. Hit and run!

BTW, I believe Drudge often links to Breitbart.

[symbolman]

181. So the Democrats shouldn't feel betrayed

by her statements?

I would.

I was there filming at the Downing Street Minutes in Congress, and watched her hug Maxine Waters in the Hallway, and buddy up to the Dems, since THEY were the only ones who would listen to her.

This really bothers me. As much as I admire what she's done in many ways, I just can't help but feel she's stabbing these people in the back..

I don't understand why she's lashing out at them. As a Veteran, and it's been well posted here, I can SEE Bush starving the troops, sending them into combat with NO BULLETS, he's even cheated them out of GUNS and Training already.

The DEMS are actually the only RESPONSIBLE ONES working toward a solution - she's throwing the Baby out with the bathwater.. would she have wanted HER SON to sit in Iraq WITH OUT FUNDING?

I don't think so..

She needs to step back and take a deep breath. This serves no one but the repigs, and her if she wants MSM attention.

As for losing her son, I've lost dozens of pals over Nam, and don't even attend High School Reunions as there are virtually NO MEN of my age at them.. besides the basic heart attacks, etc, there are those that DIED in NAM back when I was a kid.. so yeah, I feel a lot of pain for the troops myself.

Cindy, don't look a gifthorse in the mouth, the Dems are THERE for you, don't make them walk away from you.

[ShortnFiery]

190. Small d democrats do not follow lock step with everything that is put out by the leadership.

Don't forget that our democratic representatives work for us and WE THE PEOPLE voted in the last election to BRING THE TROOPS HOME.

Cindy is reminding the democrats of their constituents' demands.

Remember that our democratic representatives serve the CONSTITUENCY first and foremost. ;)

On Edit: I need to qualify the above sentence to state that all actions must be in accordance with The Constitution of The United States. :patriot: