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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:18 AM
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Does anyone remember when the Afghan Freedom Fighters were the medias cause celebre?
The members of that group eventually changed their name to the Taliban and/or Al Qaeda. Even Osama bin Laden was a famous Afghan Freedom Fighter. As was Mohammed Omar, the current leader of the Taliban. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Omar

Soviet invasion and radicalization

Omar fought as a guerilla with the Harakat-i Inqilab-i Islami faction of the anti-Soviet Mujahideen under the command of Nek Mohammad, and fought against the Najibullah regime between 1989 and 1992. It was reported that he was thin, but tall and strongly built, and "a crack marksman who had destroyed many Soviet tanks during the Afghan War."

Omar was wounded four times, and lost an eye either in 1986 or in the 1989 Battle of Jalalabad, which also marred his cheek and forehead. Taliban lore has it that, upon being wounded by a piece of shrapnel, Omar removed his own eye and sewed the eyelid shut. However, reports from a Red Cross facility near the Pakistan border indicate that Omar was treated there for the injury, where his eye was surgically removed.




I remember when Dan Rather did a 60 Minutes show where he accompanied the Afghan Freedom Fighters on a terrorist mission against the Soviet Army.

Everyone loved the Mujahiddin back then. Our media. Our politicians. US citizens. They all loved them. They were our heroes. Ronald Reagan went so far as to dedicate a 1982 Space Shuttle launch to the resistance fighters in Afghanistan. Watch it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipszh14WPFY

Here Reagan hosted a reception with some of them in the White House:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGm-4MRuGF0

Lets not forget how that big move turned out.

Don

http://www.fair.org/extra/0201/afghanistan-80s.html

Forgotten Coverage of Afghan "Freedom Fighters"

The villains of today's news were heroes in the '80s


January/February 2002

By David N. Gibbs

The current war in Afghanistan is increasingly presented as a war for the human rights of the Afghan people, to liberate them from their oppressive Taliban rulers. The Taliban’s severely regressive policies toward women have received particular attention, with even First Lady Laura Bush issuing condemnations of this repression. And the press has overwhelmingly followed suit, portraying the war as an ideological struggle against the evils of Islamic extremism.

But the U.S. government and the American press have not always opposed Afghan extremists. During the 1980s, the Mujahiddin guerrilla groups battling Soviet occupation had key features in common with the Taliban. In many ways, the Mujahiddin groups acted as an incubator for the later rise of the Taliban in the 1990s.

The senior members of the Taliban had Mujahiddin combat roles; Taliban leader Mohammed Omar fought with the Mujahiddin and lost an eye in combat. Many of the Taliban members who were too young to participate in that struggle grew up in Mujahiddin-controlled refugee camps in Pakistan. The religious schools from which many Taliban emerged were steeped in the zealous, politicized form of Islam that the Mujahiddin did so much to foster. Many of the Taliban’s ugliest features--notably their mistreatment of women--had clear precedents in the conduct of the Mujahiddin forces.

There has, in short, been a fairly dramatic and Orwellian shift in the tone of public discourse regarding Afghanistan. While Islamic extremism is now viewed with great hostility, in the 1980s U.S. policy strongly supported such extremism; there is scarcely any recognition that a little more than a decade ago, the U.S. press waxed eloquent about the Afghan "freedom fighters." snip

Adventure tourism

Beyond this lack of criticism, there was a remarkable amount of simple sensationalism--often mixed with self-indulgence--in much of the reporting. It became quite popular for reporters to make excursions inside Afghanistan, accompanied by one of the Mujahiddin groups. The resulting reports were often short on substance; they appeared as a type of adventure tourism, more suited perhaps to the Travel Section. The standard was clearly established by Dan Rather’s excursion in 1980, broadcast on 60 Minutes and described in the Washington Post (4/7/80):


"The resistance fighters have opened up with automatic weapons from the top of the ridge toward the tanks below," {Rather} said breathlessly. "Anti-tank gun goes off. Now, again, silence. Artillery shell. Anti-tank round. Impossible to know where it hit. Or if it struck home.... That round hit the ridge just below us." And then, the ordeal {was} over: "I don't know when anybody's been so glad to see stars."...

Rather himself tended to emphasize the hardships of the reportage. He made a "three-hour trek" down the mountain, a "two-day walk" from one village to another, and as for getting to the ridge, "the climb was straight up--10,000 feet."

The Mujahiddin struggle often was characterized in stirring, epic terms. An article in the Wall Street Journal (7/24/81) filed from Peshawar, began as follows:


Despite the adolescent crack in his voice, Haji Murad is a seasoned veteran of the Moslem holy war against communism in Afghanistan.

"We’ll fight until the last breath in our bodies," the turbaned 19-year old Tadjik tribesman says. He is here with other Mujahiddin, or Moslem holy warriors to get arms from an Afghanistan resistance group. "If the communists decide not to leave for 100 years, then we will still fight them," he says with the Mujahiddin conviction that they can’t lose because God is on their side.


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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:21 AM
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1. that they were entirely a creation of
the CIA is lost on most.... the trail continues through 9/11 and up to now
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:21 AM
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2. Does anyone remember the end credits of RAMBO III ?? great post, interesting read! rec!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:22 AM
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3. They did a big US tour way back when--went to more than a few institutions
of higher learning that had national security degrees as part of their grad programs for seminars and so forth.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:30 AM
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5. Hill&Knowlton did a great job for them.

It was them, if my memory serves my right.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:29 AM
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4. Recommended - Charlie Wilson would likely want to forget...
...that his rabid, anti-Soviet actions ultimately led to 9/11, although I'm sure he's rationalized it.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:32 AM
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6. I think Charlie Wilson is an ignorant who never really understood the minor role he played.
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 11:32 AM by Democracyinkind

I'd just love to interview Brezinski about his conception of "Charlie Wilsons war".

Anyways, I totally agree with your post. shortsightedness. not healthy for an empire.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:39 AM
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7. Yes this situation is largely blowback from our attempt to destroy modern, Soviet Kabul...
Where art flourished and women went without veils. Now we're trying to kill our own weapon. Well, maybe we are. Or maybe we're just trying to get contracts for US firms.
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:00 PM
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8. Charlie Wilson's War....
Don't forget his influence, which practically single handedly armed the freedom fighters with modern weapons like the stinger missile, which were capable of bringing down the Soviets best weapon the Hind helicopter.

They ended up creating a multiheaded monster that will be with the world for a long time...

Scuba
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:39 PM
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9. Extremist Education
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/06/06/the-us-and-the-afghan-tragedy.html

The Huffington Post, June 6, 2009
The U.S. and the Afghan Tragedy

The consequences of U.S. policy towards Afghanistan through the 1980s and 1990s played a major role in the Taliban's rise and al-Qaeda's subsequent sanctuary.

Stephen Zunes


<snip>

Extremist Education

The Reagan administration sensed the most hard-line elements of the resistance were less likely to reach negotiated settlements, but the goal was to cripple the Soviet Union, not free the Afghan people. Recognizing the historically strong role of Islam in Afghan society, they tried to exploit it to advance U.S. policy goals. Religious studies along militaristic lines were given more importance than conventional education in the school system for Afghan refugees in Pakistan. The number of religious schools (madrassas) educating Afghans rose from 2,500 in 1980 at the start of Afghan resistance to over 39,000. The United States encouraged the Saudis to recruit Wahhabist ideologues to come join the resistance and teach in refugee institutes.

While willing to contribute billions to the war effort, the United States was far less generous in providing refugees with funding for education and other basic needs, which was essentially outsourced to the Saudis and the ISI. Outside of some Western non-governmental organizations like the International Rescue Committee, secular education was all but unavailable for the millions of Afghan refugees living in Pakistan. None of these projects could match the impact the generous funding for religious education and scholarships to Islamic schools in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. As a result, the only education that became available was religious indoctrination, primarily of the hard-line Wahhabi tradition. The generous funding of religious institutions during wartime made it the main attraction of free education, clothing, and boarding for poor refugee children. Out of these madrassas came the talibs (students), who later became the Taliban.

This was no accident. It seemed that such policies were intentionally initiated that way to drag young Afghans towards extremism and war, and to be well prepared not only to fight a war of liberation, but to fight the foes and rivals of foreigners at the expense of Afghan destruction and blood. And the indoctrination and resulting radicalization of Afghan youth that later formed the core of the Taliban wasn't simply from outsourcing but was directly supported by the U.S. government as well, such as through textbooks issued by the U.S. Agency for International Development for refugee children between 1986 and 1992, which were designed to encourage such militancy.


Front row, from left: Major Gen. Hamid Gul, director general of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Director of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Willian Webster; Deputy Director for Operations Clair George; an ISI colonel; and senior CIA official, Milt Bearden at a mujahedeen training camp in North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan in 1987.
Often mathematics and other basic subjects were sacrificed altogether in favor of full-time religious and indoctrination. Sardar Ghulam Nabi, an elementary school teacher in a Peshawar refugee camp, stated that he was discouraged by the school administration to teach Afghan history to Afghan refugee children, since most of the concentration and emphasis was placed on religious studies rather than other subjects.

This focus on a rigid religious indoctrination at the expense of other education is particularly ironic since, while the Afghans have tended to be devout and rather conservative Muslims, they hadn't previously been inclined to embrace the kind of fanatic Wahhabi-influenced fundamentalism that dominated Islamic studies in the camps.

<snip>
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:29 AM
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10. --
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:57 AM
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11. From The History Commons- Taliban Leaders Visit US
December 4, 1997: Taliban Representatives Visit Unocal in Texas

"Taliban representatives in Texas, 1997. Representatives of the Taliban are invited guests to the Texas headquarters of Unocal to negotiate their support for the pipeline. Future President George W. Bush is Governor of Texas at the time.



July-August 1999: Taliban Leaders Visit US

"About a dozen Afghan leaders visit the US. They are militia commanders, mostly Taliban, and some with ties to al-Qaeda. A few are opponents of the Taliban. Their exact names and titles remain classified. For five weeks, they visit numerous locales in the US, including Mt. Rushmore. All their expenses are paid by the US government and the University of Nebraska. Thomas Gouttierre, an academic heading an Afghanistan program at the University of Nebraska, hosts their visit. Gouttierre is working as a consultant to Unocal at the time, and some Taliban visits to the US are paid for by Unocal, such as a visit two years earlier (see December 4, 1997). However, it is unknown if Unocal plays a role in this particular trip. Gouttierre had previously been paid by the CIA to create Afghan textbooks promoting violence and jihad (see 1984-1994). It is unknown if any of these visitors meet with US officials during their trip.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0799talibanvisit#a0799talibanvisit
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:17 AM
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12. I can't help but wonder how many of them good old boys in that picture are in Gitmo right now?
I bet some are.

Don
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:30 AM
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13. one man's freedom fighter is another man's insurgent.
in the case of america, it's the same man, just 20 years later.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:44 AM
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14. If you haven't read "Charlie Wilson's War", it's a great read.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 06:43 PM
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15. ...
:kick:
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