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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:27 PM
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The only thing you need to know to understand why Universal Insurance Care is an epic failure:



Thank you.

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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:31 PM
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1. Bumper sticker.
T shirt.

Coffee mug.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:45 PM
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11. Also: Health care not profit care
And:

Greed is a pre-existing condition

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:32 PM
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2. Cheese and Crackers got All Muddy, America!, WAKE the fuck up!!!
Edited on Wed Jun-24-09 09:32 PM by patrice
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:32 PM
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3. Unless its public single-payer insurance
had to be said
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:34 PM
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4. Please, elaborate the difference. Show me how that matters.
NT!

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:38 PM
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5. Well...
Edited on Wed Jun-24-09 09:40 PM by Oregone
When all necessary medical procedures provided by a doctor are automatically paid out by the system, ONLY the doctor and the patient are involved in health care decisions.

When profit is taken out of the insurance end, there is not an incentive to deny paying for anyone's care (other than resource limits, but if its tax funded, this subsides)

Your OP talks about corporate profits. There are none in single-payer insurance that are generated by denying care.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:46 PM
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7. It seems disingenuous to call that "insurance" instead of "health care".
It blurs the line between for-profit insurance and UHC.

I agree that health care should not be for profit (or I wouldn't have posted the OP).

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:54 PM
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8. Thats just the reality
Single-Payer Insurance pays for health care, no questions asked.

Its insurance because it meets the definition of insurance. There is a risk pool and people pay into a service in order to receive compensation when something goes wrong.

My single-payer insurance entity is called "Health Insurance BC". Its provides the (in)famous Canadian universal health care.

You don't have to have profit to call it insurance. In fact, you don't have to have profit in any industry for a business to operate in that industry.

There are a lot of ways to do UHC. This is one. Others include socializing the medical field too, while some actually use a couple private non-profit multi-payers. UHC is not a single solution, but more of a way to describe what category many systems fit in.

Though I would say this multi-payer private crap the democrats propose will NOT be UHC
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:42 PM
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6. Total non-profit insurance, public insurance where no profit is
made by those making the decisions. Where the medical decisions are made by the doctor and patient and only paid for by the insurance company?

That is not insane
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WeCanWorkItOut Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:38 AM
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9. Non-profit Blue Cross (in the 70s) was not very responsible.
But then it had enormous market power,
and it was dominated by doctors.
So it permitted a lot of price-hiking.

It might be better if we had a choice
of public options, so we could avoid some
of the abuses.


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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 03:46 PM
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10. A corrupt, venal, and self-serving Congress knows not to deny those who deny health care
to fatten corporate profits their fatted corporate profits. :P
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