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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:16 AM
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Could the good guys be winning in Iran?
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 09:20 AM by backscatter712
I just woke up, checked Twitter, and found that three million people were marching in the streets, and several big figures, including Mousavi, Khatami and Karoubi are out and joining the rallies.

It's so hard to tell, but then I hear that Ayatollah Khamenei is ordering an investigation into the election, and trying to walk back his endorsement of Bushmedinajad. If that's the case, this is HUGE!!!

We may be seeing a new revolution in Iran. The right kind of revolution, where peace prevails over violence, that overthrows tyrants.

Could this be? It still sounds too early, but I'm hoping things turned a corner.

I'm definitely wearing green today!
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:17 AM
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1. He's better than Ahmadenijad, but I don't know if I'd go so far.....
..... as to call Mousavi a "good guy."
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:19 AM
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3. One analogy I overheard:
It's like an election where George Bush is the incumbent, and running against Newt Gingrich and Condoleeza Rice. Rice appeared to be winning, then Bush swiped the ballot boxes, claimed victory for himself, and sent the military to quash dissent.

And the whole time, Dick Cheney was sitting back, pulling strings, running the whole show himself.

Looks like Ayatollah Cheney wanted Bushmedinajad pretty badly, didn't he?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:55 AM
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10. Absolutely not true
They simply were not expecting people to take it to streets in such numbers. This has not happened since the revolution.

Plus Ayatollah Khamenei may not have the final say right now.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:01 AM
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11. Yeah, things changed in a hurry.
The analogy may have been true yesterday, but today, it's not about Mousavi or Ahmedinajad anymore.

It's about throwing off a tyrannical regime. It's a whole new ball game.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:17 AM
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14. Rafsanjani has to be counting Ayatollah votes right now
He has the power to call for a vote of the Assembly of Experts to pull Khamene'i out as Supreme Leader of Iran.

Right now, Rafsanjani has all the high cards.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:20 AM
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15. That is why AhmadiNejad was specifically targeting him before the elections
Rafsanjani has been extremely quiet. Have not heard one word from him or his family since the elections.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:22 AM
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6. True
The clerics choose who can and can't run so he must have been okay with them.

Even so, it would be good to see a popular revolt overturn a fraudulent election.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:19 AM
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2. "To the BASTILLE" Bring your pitchforks....kill the guards and hang their heads on pikes"
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:21 AM
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4. I'm not holding my breath.
The government has a lot more guns.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:25 AM
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16. but..
If the Government starts down that path I feel the people will strengthen even more to overthrow the government. These people aren't afraid to die and a 3 million+ people rally is something the military cannot stop.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:22 AM
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5. Well
that sure is a comic book description of the situation.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:28 AM
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7. I hope it turns out.
It's hard to tell, since I'm watching Twitter, and that is the noisiest medium for getting anything that resembles news, so I'm still holding my breath.

If it does work out, it would be awesome! But as mentioned, Mousavi is no prize, though with three million in the streets, if he does prevail, I'm thinking he'll have no choice but to start reforms.

If things go right, we could see a democratic Iran. Of course, it's still not too late for a Tiananmen Square...
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:51 AM
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8. Top of Huffpo:
TENS OF THOUSANDS FILL THE STREETS FOR MOUSAVI
Iran's Supreme Leader Calls For Election Fraud Probe... "Stunning Reversal"

LATEST UPDATES: Riot Police Ransack University, Smashing Computers...
BBC: Use Of Live Ammunition Authorized... Ahmadinejad Cancels Russia Trip...
Follow The News On Twitter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:53 AM
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9. Khameni "investigating" sounds like the SCOTUS in 2000
Gee, I wonder what the outcome of the Ayatollah's investigation will be? :sarcasm:
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:14 AM
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13. It's certainly not over yet, but the fact he had to walk back at all shows he's vulnerable.
Sure if the Green movement declared victory now, it would be nothing but a dog & pony show.

But it does show that there's blood in the water. Ayatollah Khamenei and Ahmedinajad are no longer fully in control, so the best thing to do is keep pushing until they're completely out of power.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:12 AM
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12. the Ayatollah himself may be in trouble
from several articles I read yesterday, apparently the mullahs have the authority to "fire" him, and are considering that option as well.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:30 AM
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17. As an aside...
has anyone noticed in all of the pictures that have been coming out, that the Iranians seem to be fit and slim.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:38 AM
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19. I can't see through the burkas.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:44 AM
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20. There's a lot of young people in Iran. n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:32 AM
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18. And now there's reports of gunfire in Tehran.
Right-wing militias opened fire on the Mousavi rally. :(
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