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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 12:37 AM Original message |
The New York Times and the Iranian election |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. So you accept this uncritically and criticize NY Times for accepting their reports uncritically |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. look at what the source is |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. What's wrong with WSWS? I find many interesting articles there. Twitter is okay |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 04:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
37. it's much like worldnutdaily. It has an agenda to push in a way that makes |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. lol State Socialist, State Capitalist |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
4. The author of the above WSWS piece has a learning disability. |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
5. They didn't even open up the ballot boxes, there are photos of them being BURNED to prevent a count |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
6. glad to hear from all the usual suspects. too bad the comments |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Bush coup? Bush is sitting at a ranch in crawford, what the hell does bush have to do with this? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. The point was The Times can't be trusted and has no business pointing fingers |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. how about Al Jazeera or Al Arabya ? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Did they support the Bush coup? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. Bush isn't sitting in a ranch in Crawford, he's in his new Highland Park Mansion. n/t |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
47. You should be used to this reactionary horseshit from the bomber libs. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. Hannah, there is no actual reporting the article you posted |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. you decided i was 100% in agreement - how? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. because you defended the election results in subsequent posts |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. where's that? link to me defending the results? |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
9. The "World Socialist Web Society?" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. what are you on about? not the article, since it says nothing like what's in your post. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
30. It's what it implies (to me, anyway) |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. The piece is a judgement on OUR media, not on the Iranian government. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
11. Thank you. I always enjoy the incisive analysis that the wsws publishes. |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. U.S Imperial project? Coporate national security state? Do you have any idea how foolish you sound? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. No. Why don't you tell me? |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Foolish woman. Everyone knows the NYT is *the* pinnacle of responsible journalism. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. "All truth goes through three stages: |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. You don't think we have a corporate national security state? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Actually it's just a Corporate State. The Police/Military control piece comes with the territory |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 03:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Maybe stick around a few more years and things will become a little clearer.. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 04:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
35. What justification is there for |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
48. Likewise. nt |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
55. Just like that commie pinko Eisenhower! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Is this satire? n/t |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. no. are you satire? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. If I were going to engage in some satire... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. you say you're shiite? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Is this third grade? |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
21. Absolutely bullshit |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Unfortuntely, reactionary socialism did not die with the Soviet Union,. |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. It drives me crazy to see people who have absolutely no clue about Iran |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. neither did red-baiting. or non-substantive ad hom. unfortunately. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
31. Ahh come on Hannah - |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 04:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. lol. the OP's pov is hardly sophisticated and nuanced. WSW is the worldnutdaily of the left. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 05:10 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. difference: wsws is fact-based. wnd = joe the plumber. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. where are the facts or reporting in that "article" from wsws? |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 04:28 AM Response to Original message |
36. the Middle Eastern media is pretty much saying the same thing as is almost everyone else |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 04:35 AM Response to Original message |
38. I find your unquestioning devotion and loyalty to wsw touching. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 05:09 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. just throw it into the mix as counterweight to the cadres here. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 04:47 AM Response to Original message |
40. World Socialist Web Society run by the Fourth International - a Trotskyist / Communist organization |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 05:08 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. some is coming from the qatar & saudi royals, biggest owners of "middle eastern" media. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. and where are there facts? as regards to the NYT, I have no reason to defend their work |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 05:52 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. 1) The "evidence" in the stories = "we don't think it's likely." Maybe, |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. My goodness, you are totally in the tank! Opposition has not asked for recount? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. Okay, but then you have to relate that to the article. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
46. So komred, Eez correct political line for today zat Ahmadinejad won and only political hooligans ... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. I posted two articles from wsws. One writer seems to think Ahmadinejad won. |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
56. This article makes a great point. Most of us are almost totally ignorant on the issue. |
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WHAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
57. I'm glad you wrote this... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
58. I should care what the Trotskyite morans think WHY? |
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