" Shoot a Liberal" bumper sticker issued by Rabid RW website.

[Kajsa]

Just received this in an email, alerting me
to this murder inciting insanity!

from Smirking Chimp,


http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/22266

like the article states,

"Nope, nothing here that might provoke violence."

[krispos42]

1. And the pro-gun conservatives have the audacity to wonder why liberals are anti-gun n/t

[jgraz]

8. Guns don't kill people...

gun nuts do.

[krispos42]

73. Kills by gun nuts make the headlines

Rest assured that the majority of gun killers in this country can't tell you the history of the .30-06 or the trapdoor Springfield, doesn't know what section density or ballistic coefficient is, or what a Penderson device did. When I talk about a gun called the M1, I could be referring to three different firearms from the WW2 era/


I'm pretty sure the majority of gun killers took whatever they could get their hands on and used them to gun down gang rivels, cheating dealers, and gas-station clerks.



What makes the "gun nuts" dangerous, IMO, is the ones that have think The Turnder Diaries are some kind of instruction manual and believe they're prepping for The Revolution. Not because of the body count, but because of the ability of such acts to force political change. Von Brunn's shooting was political violence, which makes its effect on the nation far more potent than it would be otherwise.

Kinda ironic, actually, 'cuz it's the Communists that are always taking about "revolutionary spirit" and such... :-)

[paulsby]

30. REAL liberals are pro-gun rights

hth

[jgraz]

46. Really? Would you be more likely to vote for an anti-gun Democrat or a pro-gun Republican?

Be honest now.

[armyowalgreens]

48. I like the loaded question.

It really serves to make you look like a fool.

[jgraz]

50. Can't help but notice you didn't answer

Don't worry, we all know what your answer would be.

[armyowalgreens]

52. I didn't answer because your question is bullshit...

Would you vote for a democrat that was against gay marriage? Or for a republican?


See I can make loaded questions too...

I vote for the person that best represents my views. Sometimes that means compromise.

[jgraz]

53. I did vote for a Democrat who was against gay marriage

If Obama was against gun rights, would you have voted for him?

Don't want to answer? Then maybe you should raise an objection to posts about who "real liberals" are.

[armyowalgreens]

54. It's more like the only reason you asked that question was to get a reaction.

It wasn't to find an answer.

Go get your kicks somewhere else. Sorry, I refuse to be your monkey.

[jgraz]

55. I don't believe you

You waded in because the question stuck a nerve. You're already my monkey.

[armyowalgreens]

56. I waded in because I thought you looked like a fool.

And the fact that you continue to poke at me even though I will not answer proves my point entirely. You want a reaction, not an intelligent response.

Yes I am a mind reader.

And now I must be off to work.

[jgraz]

57. So you're saying poking you for an intelligent response is a waste of time?

Good to know.

[Truth2Tell]

81. You're already my monkey

that made me laugh. :)

[paulsby]

76. how is that remotely relevant?

how many democrats are liberals?

gun rights are a civil rights issue. REAL liberals support personal choice and civil rights.

in regards to your question, it would depend on the office they were running for, and how established gun rights were in their jurisdiction.

for example, i have no problem voting for anti-gun democrats here in WA state because our state constitution and case law so strongly support gun rights, that despite their best efforts, they can't impinge on my civil rights.

[jgraz]

80. You just asserted that you are a "real" liberal and the majority of DUers were not.

I was just wondering if you fit into my definition of "real" liberal.

In case you're wondering: you don't.

[paulsby]

85. being against civil rights is antithetical to liberalism

REAL liberals support ALL the amendments, not just the popular ones.

fwiw, i didn't say *i* *was* a liberal.

i said REAL liberals support gun control.

try not to make the political into the personal.

and read what people write, not what you want to read into their words.

hth

[jgraz]

87. Another broad assertion that doesn't hold water

No alleged civil right is more contentious than the individual RKBA. Even after the reactionary Bush court's 5-4 Heller decision, lower courts have still held handgun bans to be constitutional (See Chicago).

Having a disagreement over an individual RKBA doesn't make someone anti-civil-liberties. Especially since most rabid Second Amendment supporters are a bit shaky on the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eight, Ninth, Tenth and Fourteenth Amendments.

[paulsby]

88. the fact that you can refer to an important civil right

as "alleged" tells it all.

fwiw, the circuit said the chicago ban was constitution because heller HAD NOT been incorporated.

they didn't say it would or wouldn't be.

[jgraz]

89. The individual RKBA is not settled law by any means

Pretending otherwise does not make it so.

[paulsby]

90. i didn't say it was settled

i said it was an important civil right.

[jgraz]

93. Then if it's "important" but not "settled", reasonable people can disagree. No?

In other words, we can have a debate without throwing around divisive labels like "real liberal".

[paulsby]

94. i was expressing my opinion

about what REAL liberalism is. support for individual choice, empowerment, and responsibility

RKBA goes hand in hand with that.

the history of gun control (in this country and many others) is also specifically the history of govt. using their power to disempower minorities.

not to mention that the most liberal document ever created, the bill of rights, specifically recognizes that the right to keep and BEAR arms is a right retained by the people.

so, yes. in the same way i say that REAL liberals support freedom of speech (and there are plenty here who don't. as soon as they disagree with the speech, and it's "hateful" they want to ban it), real liberals support individual rights, to include RKBA.

[jgraz]

95. So you think "real" liberalism equals neo-liberalism, a la Ronald Reagan

Are you sure you're on the right board?

[paulsby]

99. um, no

REAL liberals support all the amendments. it's really that simple

they don't selectively not support the 2nd, because it's "icky"

[TahitiNut]

91. Well, this 'real' (independent) liberal is pro-rights ... period. The Bill of Rights is a start.

Yes... that includes the 2nd Amendment. The sheer idiocy of blindly supporting a government with enough weaponry to destroy the entire world several times over yet posture foamy-mouthed over guns seems to betray some mental/ethical dysfunction.

[marybourg]

98. Reallly? I don't know 1 and I know 100's of liberals. Most, like me,

are TOLERANT of hunting weapons, but no more than that. Maybe you're thinking of "libertarians".

[old mark]

43. This liberal is extremely pro-gun.

Those sheepfuckers need to know we will shoot back.

mark

[TornadoTN]

45. Right there with you. nt

[michreject]

68. I'm armed as well

I shoot twice a week.

[DeschutesRiver]

72. I am and have been for over 30 years

Imagine the gun-toting right wingers surprise when they figure out that the recent huge increase in gun and ammo sales were not caused by their purchases, but by others outside of their bizarre belief system. I've acted responsibly with firearms for over half my life and am not about to go on a crime spree, nor wake up one morning spouting fundie beliefs and perspectives, nor plot my fellow citizens' demise. Those who go on crime sprees, with guns, knives, cars, whatever need to be removed from polite society. Maybe to an island somewhere, whatever.

Saw something on current tv the other night about the Pink Pistols. Bet that would give those tormentors heartburn if they focused on it for long.

[snake in the grass]

78. I'm always strapped!

Just kidding. I do own firearms, though, and wouldn't hesitate to use one if necessary. Although I'm not at the point that I feel I must be armed all the times. A gun is something you never need, until you need one.

[ThomCat]

2. How is that NOT a death threat?

How can that be legal? :wow:

[bobbolink]

5. How? Because we all still and let it happen...............

[BLS]

6. I assume it's because it's not directed at a certain person

??? Don't know for sure, but it's pretty over the top.

[Kerrytravelers]

9. Well, it has the Democratic Donkey with bulletholes.

That leads me to think of Democratic elected officials and their supporters.

[Swamp Rat]

11. Like shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theater?

[friendly_iconoclast]

79. Swampy! Good to see your work again!

[OneGrassRoot]

19. That's what hate crimes are: targeting a group of people. n/t

[gratuitous]

7. See, it's just a joke, see?

But when David Letterman makes an offhand comment that tangentially involves a prominent Republican family, then it's battle stations! Everyone has to pay attention! Ohmigod, will no one think of the children?

And if, perchance, some violent nutzoid starts popping people with a gun he shouldn't have and he has this bumper sticker on his shambling, rusted-out, hulk of a car, then it's too bad, so sad, but don't blame the right wing!

[BLS]

13. there's a difference though...

If Rush Limbaugh had that bumper sticker on his car, it would be FRONT page news across the country.

[MNDemNY]

15. If druggie Rush could get a driver's license, THAT would be front page news.

[gratuitous]

16. I'm not sure he doesn't

Or that he's not linking to the place that sells this crap through his website and getting a piece of the action for himself. In pursuit of fattening his wallet, there's not a lot that would really shock me about Mr. Limbaugh, considering what he openly does for money.

[Dogtown]

38. And what he covertly does w/ money....n/t

[jberryhill]

24. "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

King Henry VI Part 2, Act 4, Scene II

Ask any lawyer how often she's heard that one.

[juno jones]

58. Hey! But that one's taken out of context!

Out of century even. (Tear-stained child) Leave Shakepeare Alone!!11!!1!1

Personally, I think there is an exemption for lawyers. Who could be dishonest in admitting that they have fanasized throttling the holy shit out of personal pick of the litter over the years?

[jberryhill]

70. It is repeated all of the time...

...and frequently attempted.

[paulsby]

32. it's perfectly legal

in the same way that "a modest proposal" was legal in satirically calling for people to eat irish children, or people on the left who wear "kill the rich" t-shirts are expressing their first amendment rights.

it falls under long established free speech guidelines.

[mrbarber]

40. And once again, Paulsby is here to eduacate us.

[paulsby]

42. it's how i roll

[Kajsa]

66. Excellent questions, Thom.

Threatening someone with death or bodily harm,
which this does, crosses the line of "humor" or
satire.

And yes, I've read a 'Modest Proposal', several times.
I've taught it in classrooms.

Not even close to what this is.

[krispos42]

74. You know if it was reversed the RW nuts would explode n/t

[DesertFlower]

3. appalling. nt

[kestrel91316]

4. If that's not incitement to commit murder, I don't know what is.......

[jberryhill]

22. Okay... what's this:

[DoBotherMe]

31. It's a suicide

[jberryhill]

34. LOL

Either that or a roadkill.

Of course, it could have been found in a motel room with a belt around its neck, which wouldn't be a big surprise either.

[juno jones]

59. Uh, but then it would be wearing a diaper...

Or perhaps you aren't mentioning the other ligature....

[kestrel91316]

36. That's a deceased cartoon elephant. You obviously are missing

the difference. And there IS a difference.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

44. It's a depiction of an elephant that died due to its own stupidity. So what? -nt

[sakabatou]

83. It's how the Republican party killed itself

by moving too much to the right.

[paulsby]

33. then you don't know what is

hth

fwiw, i have been in law enforcement 20 plus years. it staggers me how many people here simply fail to understand BASIC 1st amendment principles. i've testified in numerous criminal threats cases. this doesn't even come CLOSE to "incitement to murder"

study the case law.

[kestrel91316]

37. I'm not an attorney. I don't know the law. I simply have my personal opinion,

and that is that it constitutes incitement to commit murder.

Last I heard, we were entitled to our opinions. Maybe I am wrong about that, too?

BTW, it's been my personal experience that people in law enforcement seriously dislike citizens who have opinions. They much prefer silent, swift, unwavering obedience to authority figures. Your opinion doesn't impress me much.

[paulsby]

39. your personal opinion

is inconsistent with the constitution and case law.

you can have a personal opinion that search warrants should only require reasonable suspicion, not probable cause.

however, thankfully our constitution trumps yer opinion.

i like people who have opinions.

i just respect the constitution FAR more than i respect your anti-constitutional opinion

hth

[Dogtown]

41. I'm going to exit this thread now

before they start comparing the lengths of their dicks.

:hi:

[OneGrassRoot]

10. Oh, but there are many versions! See:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=liberal+hunting+permit&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=


I see them in the rural part of NC quite frequently. :(

[lpbk2713]

12. Alright FBI & Secret Service ... Get up off your thumbs.

There's work to be done.

[Kablooie]

64. They should make a list of all the people who shop at the Patriot Shop web site.

[nc4bo]

69. I did my part by a little personal prompting via email.

Free speech is great and is a beautiful thing but clearly these people (as well as those on the CorpWhore networks) are doing their very best to further unhinge the unhinged.

So what if I'm perceived to be a a whiny, squeaky wheeled busybody, perhaps if enough of us squeaked louder, something (not sure what or how) can be done.

[Vickers]

14. Don't be surprised when some of us return fire.

:thumbsup:

[Sub Atomic]

17. Or pre-emptively take them out.

That is the Bush doctrine they live and breathe by, isn't it?

[DBoon]

18. right wing gun nuts make me want to carry

nt

[Swamp Rat]

23. Yep.

I don't think those bumper sticker, weekend warriors realize whom they are threatening.

Most 'liberals' (AKA, American Citizens who vote to elect their leaders and believe in the "Rule of Law") I know are well-armed, and MANY have actual combat experience (though they do not brag about it or paste stupid bumper stickers on their vehicles).

[sellitman]

77. Thanks for that picture.

Not

[sakabatou]

84. AUGH! MY EYES! THEY BLEEEEED!

Why the fuck did you post that pic?!

[BoneDaddy]

20. Wow so it has come down to this

intimdation and threats of violence. What a sad desperate bunch they are.

[Fly by night]

21. Well, my "Eat the Rich" bumper-sticker may not be quite as direct, but ...

... it does keep the Hummers and SUVs off my tail on the drive home through a deep-red county (Williamson) between Nashville and my deep hollow home bordered by the Natchez Trace (the "Path of Peace", as the First Nations called it).

[paulsby]

35. oh noes!!!

"that's incitement to kill and eat people!"

of course it ISN'T, but it's staggering how many people fail to understand that these types of posters/stickers are clearly 1st amendment protected

[X_Digger]

71. .. or only think the first should protect their own speech. n/t

[Joanne98]

25. They won't stop until we fight back.

[deutsey]

26. Democratic Leadership Apologizes for Making Wackos Want to Shoot Them.

:evilfrown:

[guitar man]

27. Fine then

This liberal is armed, this liberal was trained by the best marksmen in the world and this liberal will not hesitate to return devastatingly accurate and lethal fire upon them. Hunting isn't so easy when your target shoots back. :evilgrin:

[backscatter712]

28. They'd better be careful. Some of us liberals shoot back.

Just thought I'd mention that freepers do not have a monopoly on the Second Amendment.

[Kajsa]

62. That's something that didn't occur to them,

being that they have this image of "libruls"
being weak.

Surprise!

[Echo In Light]

29. Pussies need guns cause they can't fight for shit, & are too fearful of getting stomped

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

51. The cowards can have their gun.......

I'll just run them the fuck down in my car and then give them the option if they want me to beat them with the Louisville Slugger or the tire iron in my trunk.

[anonymous171]

47. lol I would love to see them try. nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

49. Send this to BillO the Blowhard and see if he has the guts to address it!

He won't.

[bridgit]

60. 'Remand Rabid RWer's to Nut Tree, send Rush Limbaugh the bill'

[CrownPrinceBandar]

61. If they want to put this on their vehicles, I say let 'em.........

Not only is it protected speech, it makes the nutjobs easier to spot.

[Kablooie]

63. From The Patriot Shop! All American Murdering Bastards!

[OneGrassRoot]

65. Another thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5836476

[Kajsa]

67. So now they have "membership" cards

to make them more easily identifiable?

Idiots- Dangerous idiots!

[Wednesdays]

75. K&R

:kick:

[sakabatou]

82. The site should be looked into

[Kajsa]

86. Here's another one, advocating 'killing Communists'.

By their deranged definition, that could be just about anyone.

:(

I just checked out their website- ugh!
here's the link to their line of stickers.

http://patriotshop.us/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=29a0257f556f910d0baefd57f60f3948

No violence advocated here--



Here's their version of the 'Coexist' sticker,
complete with a bullseye and a skull & bones.

[Stephanie]

92. Check out where the money's going:

http://patriotshop.us/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=584

All sales proceeds at PatriotShop.US support our Mission of Service to America's Armed Services, and help ensure that The Patriot Post is distributed to hundreds of thousands of military personnel and students without a fee. The Patriot receives no corporate, foundation, political or special interest funding. Our mission and operations are funded by -- and depend entirely upon -- the financial support of American Patriots like YOU!

http://www.patriotpost.us/

[proteus_lives]

96. Just another stupid product.

Every group makes things like this about every other group. It's not new or scary.

[proteus_lives]

97. dupe-sorry.