wow, read this about Denver's Dr. Hern...sleeps with a shotgun because of terrorism like roeder

[greenbriar]

This week the doctor who works there was flanked by a group of U.S. Marshals, whose sworn duty it is to protect Dr. Warren Hern so that he might continue his business. It is legal for him to do what he does, based on a 1973 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, but he lives in constant fear that some gunman, just like the one who shot and killed Dr. Tiller last Sunday as he ushered in church, will one day come for him.

This story isn't about abortion. This isn't about what one side or the other - "pro life" or "pro choice" - of the contentious debate has to say. Nor do my own personal views on abortion matter a bit. Instead, I have been plagued all week by the fact many people believe that George Tiller "needed to die" and I can't seem to get my arms around that.



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http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_152745.asp

[RayOfHope]

1. I know a woman who had to go to that clinic. It was discovered that her fetus, at 5 mo,

had a brain that wasn't developing at all. She had to travel across 2 states at her own expense because late term abortion isn't legal in MO, even if the health of the mother is at risk.

I hate these anti choice motherfuckers. They are so caught up in their little fantasy world of women only getting late term abortions as a matter of convenience and refuse to see the real picture.

[greenbriar]

2. they don't want to see it

they choose to believe their own shit and not the truth

[cslinger59]

3. I don't agree with abortion for me and mine so to speak

That being said I think it is a personal issue you must decide for yourself.

Folks who claim to be pro-life only to go out and kill somebody are dangerous hypocrites end of story and I cannot stand hypocrites no matter where they come from. I can almost understand being so vehemently oppossed to it that one would damage property/destroy an empty clinic etc. as an act of civil/moral disobedience but to take a life while claiming to be pro life is the worst kind of hypocrisy.

The world would be a better place if we left each other alone in our personal decisions of all kinds, but instead we kill over pro life, kill over religion, kill over who somebody wants rub uglies with etc. etc. etc. Live and let live, make the decisions that are important to your life and your morals and let others walk their own damn path, not matter how wrong you might think it is for you personally.

[greenbriar]

4. You never know what you will do until you are thrust into a situation

I had to have one...really didn't want one...

about 24 years ago

I was in what I thought was a committed relationship that would lead to marriage to a local policeman

when we discovered I was pregnant,that man whom I had devoted my life to and thought I loved turned into someone I did not know and became emotionally and physically abusive.

then he left... me with no insurance, minimum wage job, no support, nothing...

plus, I was bleeding massively had two sonograms

finally deciced I couldn't do it and didn't want to be tied to a monster

so I visited Dr. Tiller. He knew I was conflicted and torn and made me wait to be absolutely sure it was what I really wanted.

No judgement, no blame, just compassion

[cslinger59]

5. That is horrible and I am so sorry for what you went through

I have been extremely lucky and blessed in my life. I have had my ups and downs of course but never been through anything truly horrendous.

I do agree that one never knows what one will do given a situation. I do believe whole heartedly that barring medical issues I would not seek my wife/or anybody else to have an abortion. I would rather see a child put up for adoption as there are a great many folks out there who desperately want a child cannot have one, trust me I know.

That being said this is in no way an indictment of what you did, as you did what was right for you and it is neither my place or right to wave a finger at you. Better you were able to get it done safely then try to handle things on your own or in a back ally type manner.

I hope life has turned around for you and refrains from kicking you in the teeth for a bit.

Chris

[greenbriar]

6. one year later

I met the most wonderful man, started dating and took it REALLY SLOW majorly slow and told him everything...he didn't run like I thought I would...he loved me back to myself. Made me believe that I was worthy and lovable and not a monster.

This year we celebrate our 20 year anniversary and our 17 year old daughter graduated HS one year early with honors.


My only regret...that we were not able to have more children

possible it is because of what I did 24 years ago? I will never know, but it is the guilt I carry. HOW DARE those fundy nuts trivialize that agonizing decision I had to make and live with

they have NO FUCKING CLUE

[cslinger59]

11. Good for you.

Understand that some folks who are pro life so to speak are coming from a good place (not wack jobs who kill folks mind you). Those who would trivialize what you went through are indeed jag-offs so to speak no matter what they believe.

I think a major problem with society in general is we never accept that other folks can make decisions for themselves, live with the consequences of said decisions and it is none of our business to get involved. You give people the tools they need to make an informed decision and let them make it.

I am very much a live and let live kind of person. My personal beliefs probably lean way far right for the average person on this forum but my core belief is one of live and let live.

At any rate I am glad life turned out well for you and it is too short for guilt. Take care and remember sometimes the worst things seem to happen for a reason or put you on a direction you are meant to be on.

Oh and there are a great deal of monsters in this world, real honest to by God monsters and I have serious doubts you would be one of them......hey I could be wrong you could be a serial killing family but I have my doubts. :D

[sinkingfeeling]

9. Chris, welcome to DU. I must ask you one question. What if your wife or daughter became pregnant

while taking some medicine that would produce a severely physically and mentally handicapped child? Would you choose to bring that child into the world? That's what I faced back in 1979. I was the mother of a healthy little boy and felt it would be awful for him to be pushed aside as we spent every penny and all of our time attending to a child that could have been born without limbs or the ability to see, hear, or speak. I chose a 1st. tri-semester abortion. Not a single regret.

[greenbriar]

12. I thank you for sharing

it helps

[cslinger59]

13. Good question and............

One I can happily give you an answer that frankly doesn't mean crap until I actually have to face it.

That being said this is something I have thought about and I believe that yes I would bring the child into the world and care for them etc. Just because the child might be handicapped doesn't mean they may or may not do great things and besides they would be my child.

Ok, I know that sounds really preachy and high and mighty and I don't mean it to be so as like I said given the reality of that circumstance I might come to a different conclusion or be scared off etc.

Once again, I know in my heart I personally would have regrets. No flame or attack on you not having regrets just speaking of myself personally.

I would like to think I wouldn't even hesitate but I am sure there would at the minimum be hesitation.

Probably a horrible, wishy washy answer. :D

[sinkingfeeling]

15. Thanks for your honest reply. I still believe I put the welfare of my living son above all else and

made the correct, moral decision. I could never bring a child into this world to suffer and then to die at a young age.

P.S. I was taking the drug methotrexate.

[damntexdem]

7. For one thing, never let them get away with the term "pro-life"!

The entire movement is profoundly anti-life, even more so than anti-choice.

[old mark]

8. They are terrorists and should be recognised and treated as such.

The anti-choice advocates who foment and encourage violence should be in prison, period.


mark

[greenbriar]

10. they are mother fucking terrorist

and should be held without any privledges whatso ever

[cslinger59]

14. Yep I would certainly have to agree....

Somebody who exposes violence and murder under the guise of being pro-life is nothing more then a murderer in my book and should expect to be treated as such.

Like I said above abortion is not my thing and I might give you 101 reasons not to do it but blowing your brains out is not action number 102.