Did Keith just say some GOMPER volunteered to be tortured to prove that water boarding isn't torture?

[lonestarnot]

[valerief]

1. Honcho dickhead Sean Hannity told Charles Grodin he'd agree to be

tortured for charity.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Yep,. and as much as I hate torture, I would not mind watching

I expect the Manity to be in tears...

Hell, people trained at SERE break down often

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Specifically, Sean Hannity.

I'd pay money to watch that.

[Fleshdancer]

4. Just tell me where to send my money

and no tap out option either. If he's going to do this, he should receive the most authentic experience possible. Maybe then he'll understand.

[lonestarnot]

5. DU should start a fund drive on his uncle point!

[valerief]

6. That was brought up here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5522093&mesg_id=5522093

[WorseBeforeBetter]

8. I'm in ... much better than stickies and hearts! (n/t)

[NNN0LHI]

7. I will give a hundred bucks for every minute he can take the water cure

[lonestarnot]

9. SKINNER HEAR THAT!

[Fleshdancer]

13. something tells me you'll get $50 in change

I'll donate to the cause too, but I doubt he'll do it.

[NNN0LHI]

15. LOL

[havocmom]

10. Grodin gently goaded him until he shot off his mouth and said he would be waterboarded, for charity

The moment the words were outta his big mouth, one could see him start to squirm and regret it.

Charles Grodin set him up like a bowling pin, played him like a fiddle, then said, no, he would not waterboard Hannity. When the idiot tried to laugh it off and suggested Grodin would probably be willing to do it to Hannity himself. The gentlemanly Grodin said no, he would not do that, but he would hand him a towel after a shower.

It was masterful.

Then KO goes on TV and states, several times, that he has his checkbook out and will donate a grand for every second Hannity makes it through the procedure. Double if he admits he was in fear for his life.

The Manatee might be in need of a vacation now.

[madamesilverspurs]

11. But will Hannity follow through?

And if he does, with or without diapers?

[lonestarnot]

14. If he doesn't, won't he be throwing in the towel on an implicit admission he doesn't want to be

"tortured?"

[madamesilverspurs]

17. Naw, some lame excuse

like objections from Murdoch's insurance carrier, or a family emergency, sudden illness, dog eating his homework, etc.

[AtomicKitten]

12. It should be pay-per-view. That's something I don't want to miss. n/t

[Yoda Is A Democrat]

16. Isn't Waterboarding Also Known As "Chinese Water Torture"

I know this may not be politically correct, but before we all adopted the nice euphemism of "water boarding" a couple of years ago, was waterboarding better known as "chinese water torture based on the fact that it was conducted on American soldiers during the Korean War? If Sean Hannity is saying that it is not that bad, is he suggesting that U.S. servicemen during the Korean War who gave "confessions" were really not coerced? That they were weak?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/08/AR2008020803156.html

/snip

The questions (What is your unit? Where are you from?) were asked by one man. But we were not supposed to talk. I remember that the blindfold was heavy and completely covered my face. As the two men held me down, one on each side, someone began pouring water onto the blindfold, and suddenly I was drowning. The water streamed into my nose and then into my mouth when I gasped for breath. I couldn't stop it. All I could breathe was water, and it was terrifying. I think I began to lose consciousness. I felt my lungs begin to fill with burning liquid.

Pulling out my fingernails or even cutting off a finger would have been preferable. At least if someone had attacked my hands, I would have had to simply tolerate pain. But drowning is another matter.

Even though I knew that I was in a military facility and that my "captors" would not kill me, no matter what they threatened, my body sensed and reacted to the danger it was in. Adrenaline helped me to fight out of the position the men were holding me in. I can't really explain how I managed to stand up, still with one man clinging to each arm. I only know how horrible it was. The experience was probably only a few minutes, but to me it seemed much longer.

Waterboarding has, unfortunately, become a household word. Back then, we didn't call it waterboarding -- we called it "water torture." We recognized it as something the United States would never do, whatever the provocation. As a nation, we must ask our leaders, elected and appointed, to be aware of such horrors; we must ask them to stop the narrow and superficial thinking that hinges upon "legal" definitions and to use common sense. Waterboarding is torture, and torture is clearly a crime against humanity.

/snip

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. No... water boarding, also known as the water cure

was developed by the good folks working for Torquemada and first used by the Spanish Inquisition

The Chinese water torture is just as devilish

Take victim, tie down, and put under a constant drip of water... large drop a second for example.

No, does not seem too cruel... but it is... and hours of that can drive people slightly batty. The drop landing in the same spot, well it causes pain after a while

Now the Chinese used both on US troops

There are other things we have used from the memos that just dredged old memories from testimony from Central American citizens

My all time "favorite" is hanging people just a bit over the floor... so your toes barely touch the ground

The pain on wrists and shoulders is incredible, and long term, causes nerve damage

One old lady, she could not even close her fingers...

[Yoda Is A Democrat]

21. Very interesting!

I did not know that. Hard to imagine going batty from a drip of water, but I would rather not find out. The description of waterboarding by a former U.S. soldier is pretty frightening. I can see why the U.S. argued before the U.S. that this treatment constituted a violation of the Geneva convention.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. It is a war crime

and there is no argument there

All we have left is indictment and prosecution

Factoid, we don't, somebody else will, war crimes don't have term limits, and have universal jurisdiction

And welcome to DU

[lonestarnot]

26. Try an enema bag hung over your eyes taped open and let's see how hard it is to imagine it driving

you batty. :eyes:

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Don't be too harsh

most folks, thankfully, have no reason to even imagine this crap.

:-)

For me... it became a professional hazard as listening to survivors of some of this crap and taking notes (hell we need those war trials to occur yet), the memos have caused a few nightmares.

Though the Mythbusters had a torture special. One of the mythbusters managed to do an hour (iirc) under the drip before she called it quits

[NNN0LHI]

20. Welcome to DU

No I don't think Waterboarding is the same as Chinese water torture which is described here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture

Chinese water torture
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A reproduction of a Chinese water torture apparatus at Berlin-Hohenschönhausen MemorialChinese water torture is the popular name for a method of water torture in which water is slowly dripped onto a person's forehead, allegedly driving the victim insane. This form of torture was first described under a different name by Hippolytus de Marsiliis in Italy in the 16th century.

The waterboarding currently being discussed is described below:

http://marietravis.blogspot.com/2009/04/waterboarding.html

A World War II account:

Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his Japanese captors. At their trial for war crimes following the war, he testified "Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let up until I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again… I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death."


Again, welcome to DU.

Don

[Yoda Is A Democrat]

24. Thanks! - Waterboarding Is "Spanish Water Torture," Not Chinese Per Link

From your link, it turns out that waterboarding was actually known as "spanish water torture."

[Laelth]

25. Welcome to DU!

:dem:

-Laelth

[Canuckistanian]

18. Samuel Gompers?

Samuel Gompers<1> (January 27, 1850<2> – December 13, 1924) was an American labor union leader and a key figure in American labor history. Gompers founded the American Federation of Labor (AFL), and served as the AFL's president from 1886-1894 and from 1895 until his death in 1924.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Gompers

I learned about him at school.

[lonestarnot]

27. Typo actually LOL must have been Freudian. Ever hear of his school here in AZ?

I think it's now closed.

[old guy]

23. Foolish PR stunt.

The only way it would have any meaning is if someone who hates him get to do the boarding. Then he would know it is torture.

[Mushroom]

28. Is that where Keith

said something about Hannity talking big and living small? Great saying! hahahahaha

[timber84]

30. Facebook group started

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5523597