So was seating at the dealership today waiting for my car to get serviced

[nadinbrzezinski]

and CNN was playing in the background

This older gentleman started to get visibly angry at the "lib'rul media and the torture story."\

So he kept ranting on and on and on, over how them lib'ruls would never serve and are damaging the country

So I asked him... anybody in your family CURRENTLY serving?

Yeah, so? Nephew...

You will not mind then if he is captured and water-boarded then. It is not torture, you say.

He got red in the face... "they would not do that, we are the US of A.. even suggesting it..."

Ask your nephew about SERE training and the reasons for it, now answer the damn question... you will not mind it then.

Well, you damn lberals never serve...

Try again buddy, and engaging in torture is not only against US law, but also an ilegal order under the UCMJ.. now ask your nephew next time he comes home on leave, about SERE and why and look him in the eyes and dare to tell him that you will not mind it, if he is waterboarded, beyond training that is... or has his nails removed, or quite frankly is raped... after all that is what we are doing.

The other people in the waiting room started to applaud, a little social shaming I guess.

Then there was this Navy Commander waiting for his car too. The only thing he said was... glad somebody actually gets it...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. What a GREAT smackdown!

You seriously rock, girl!

You not only have the courage of your convictions, but you have the smarts to speak them!

I am proud!


Big K&R

:woohoo:

:patriot:

[Name removed]

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[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Why SERE exists

and do enlighten me, when did the guerrillas in Mogadishu exactly sign the Geneva Convention?

We have

[MineralMan]

17. Your point? Does that mean we should act in similar ways?

Is that what you're suggesting?

[galloglas]

21. "they were set on fire and dragged through the streets." ??

You sure you are not thinking of Fallujah ?? Regardless, whether it is Somalia or Fallujah, we were not aligned against signatories to the Geneva Convention.

And, BTW, what you refer to was not torture. It was the desecration of bodies after they were killed. Probably borrowed a page from the US Military's book on either Dresden or the napalm firebombing of innocents in Vietnam.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. And at Fallujah, these were Mercenaries

who are NOT protected under the conventions, not that most people know that

[Usrename]

35. EVERYBODY is protected under the conventions.

Where is this fictitious carve-out in the conventions that excludes ANY human being from being covered?

It's a myth. It doesn't even exist. Non-signatories cannot get POW status, but the conventions still apply to them, just like they apply to ALL humans.

Where do you get this crap from? Why are you STILL mouthing the Bush/Cheney/Addington/Rumsfield/Wolfowitz/Gonzales talking points?

Haven't you figured it out yet that each and every one of those folks are ALL criminals and they just made all this bullshit up about the Geneva Conventions not being applicable?

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Mercenaries are treated in the same category as spies

you know that RIGHT?

No you don't

Go to the ICRC site and read them

That by the way was done on purpose by the by

[eomer]

85. Common Article 3 protections apply to everybody.

Common Article 3:

In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

(1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed 'hors de combat' by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) taking of hostages;

(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

(2) The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.

An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.

The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.

The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/AP-Guantanamo-Geneva-Conventions.html

The essential first paragraph, when read correctly, covers everyone not covered under the other articles. The correct reading is like this:

In the case of armed conflict not (of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties)

The incorrect reading, the one used by the Bush administration, is like this:

In the case of armed conflict (not of an international character) (occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties)

I don't see any exception based on whether the person is a mercenary. It says "Persons", not "Persons other than mercenaries".

[nadinbrzezinski]

104. Read on as to treatment of spies and mercenaries

there are exceptions

"' Article 30 '. -- A spy taken in the act shall not be punished without previous trial."

The Convention contains several provisions in this respect which extend the principle and make it precise. Thus Article 3 prohibits "the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples".
Article 3 , although it applies only to armed conflicts not of an international character, contains rules of absolutely general application. The prohibition mentioned is, moreover, confirmed by Article 5 and Articles 64 -76.
It should also be noted that paragraph 2 of Article 68 authorizes the Occupying Power under certain conditions to inflict the death penalty on protected persons found guilty of espionage.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/COM/380-600177?OpenDocument

Of course I could go on

[14thColony]

34. ...

1. That was Fallujah. The Somalis didn't burn any of the bodies of US dead.
2. They were 'security contractors' - mercs don't get to be called 'our guys.'
3. Defiling a dead body is not torture, since the person is, well...dead.
4. We already had a looooong period of 'tit for tat' in warfare; thousands of years of massacres and atrocities. With the Geneva Conventions all the great powers agreed that they would impose rules on the conduct of war EVEN IF THE OTHER SIDE DIDN'T.

[tbyg52]

45. Uh, welcome to DU, I guess.

So, we should go find some random people to atone for that? :sarcasm:

[tabasco]

50. I led men in combat in Mogadishu.

Let me be the first to tell you. If I found that any of those men had tortured a prisoner, I personally would have assured they made it to Leavenworth prison.

I did discover that some of my troops had stolen money from locals. Gave the assholes a field grade article 15 and took a stripe. No more stealing.

Republicans worship draft dodgers like Rush Limbaugh and have no concept of honor or decency.

Nations and people that support torture are rotten and evil.

I didn't fight for a country that allows torture.

[yasmina27]

52. Thank you

for your service and honor.

Wish more of our fine service persons of all ranks believed and acted as you did.

[MadMaddie]

55. Thanks Tabasco!

You are correct Republicans worship draft dodgers like Rush Limbaugh and Cheney and they have no concept of honor or decency.

[glitch]

80. Draft dodgers like Limbaugh and Cheney and DESERTERS like Bush.

edit: because deserter is more accurate than AWOL.

[Lucky Luciano]

56. I have nothing to say, but

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Historic NY]

57. Thank you..

:patriot:

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. ATTEN....HUT

:patriot:

[sammythecat]

62. "I didn't fight for a country that allows torture."

I have to tell you, that made me feel proud to read those words.

Like you say, nations and people that support, or condone, torture are rotten and evil. So true, and that's exactly why it is so critically important that this precedent of torture be erased. Permanently. We need to find out who was responsible for this blight on the nation's honor and integrity and hold them accountable, whoever they might be. This can not just be dropped and forgotten about.

It was they that did this. Not us. Not America.

[Muttocracy]

68. thank you. nt

[sce56]

70. Do you smell Pizza!

That rat from #11 went this way...

[BlancheSplanchnik]

96. thank you from me too--for your service and for who you are

For being aware (in comparison to so many military who just swallow the republiCONjob propaganda)

[krispos42]

67. Oops, member had a tragic accident about 5 hours ago.

Hope everybody had fun. ;-)

[tomm2thumbs]

86. thanks for sharing - small victories are built one by one on this issue

applause - wow

[Touchdown]

2. CNN??? My dealership play FauxNoise.

It's no big deal. The remote is on the coffee table, and I just change it to Comedy Central. The sales manager storms out of his office. Looks at me, thne storms right back in.

The customer is always RIGHT!:woohoo:

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Franklyt I was surprised they had the less problematic

right wing leaning CNN instead of Faux noise... but hey, it is always fun

[mwb970]

89. That's what I was going to say!

I don't think I've ever heard of anything but Fox "News" being on TVs in all public places. I always assumed it was because Fixed viewers would get violent if their propaganda was cut off whereas liberals would just roll their eyes.

:eyes:

[Maat]

31. HaHa.

Was just in the dealership the other day - asked for it to be changed from Faux Noise. They refused - "management policy" - so, I made them turn it down all the way.

I said that I simply could not keep bringing my car back for service if they insisted on beating me over the head with this idiotic propaganda. The clerk just glared, and did what I asked. Then, my hubby called me. Suddenly, my cellphone blared, "War, what is good for? Absolutely nothin.'"

Boy, did I get a look. HeeHee.

[immoderate]

47. FOX pays for that.

They provide TVs to commercial establishments with the proviso that no other "news" channel be tuned in.

--imm

[Maat]

49. Ooooh ... that explains quite a lot.

I was wondering what was going on. Thanks for the info.

[txwhitedove]

91. That's my ringtone, too! I stopped buying gas at station with big screen

at each pump putting Faux news in my face.
:hi:

[Maat]

107. Hiya!

:hi:

[BrklynLiberal]

106. That kind of situation is exactly why I got myself one of these...

I have SO MUCH fun with it...

http://www.tvbgone.com/cfe_tvbg_main.php


Your TV-B-Gone® universal remote control resembles other TV remote controls, but is different in two important ways. First, it only has a power button that allows you to switch a TV on or off. You control when you see, rather than what you see. Second, the device is so small that it easily fits in your pocket, so that you have it handy whenever you need it wherever you go: airports, bars, restaurants, laundromats, etc.

“You can use TV-B-Gone® to control access to television for philosophical or practical reasons, or simply to have fun!“

—Mitch Altman, Inventor of TV-B-Gone®

TV-B-Gone® now features the Instant Reactivation Feature which allows you to turn TVs on or off quickly and easily. TV-B-Gone® is a type of Universal Remote Control which works by shining pulses of invisible light that tells most any TV to turn off or on.

[Historic NY]

58. My hospital does too. I change the station & hide the remote....

:evilgrin:

[sce56]

76. Unfortunatley the clinics I go to usually have the Fake News channel on and they are military ones!

[Hardrada]

84. Our YMCA always has one TV tuned to Fox, sometimes 2, so

I've learned to grab the channel changer as I come in and switch to MSNBC. One of the janitors there tried to tell us that we could not switch to an "unapproved" station but we pay him no attention. I think we are winning this one.

[MineralMan]

3. Good job. I have started calling people who spout unsolicited

crap in public places on their words, too. Since they initiate the discussion, I have no qualms.

My latest one was some guy in his 70s who was decrying "socialized medicine" in a bar near me. I asked him if he had a Medicare card. "Yeah," he said. I said, "I rest my case." He got it. I didn't have to remind him about his Social Security payments. Since I'm a white-haired old geezer on Social Security, I can beard these guys on their own crap.

For the keyboard warriors, I just ask them what branch they served in. I would not do that unless I could answer that I had served. Usually, they hem and haw and explain that they had a deferment or some such crap.

[JuniperLea]

13. Like Rush Anal Cyst Limbaugh...

There's always an excuse.

I want to be feisty like you when I'm an official old geezerette... like my mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother before me... there's nothing wrong with speaking truth to the lies at any age, but I think I'll enjoy it more and more as I get older. My family sure seems to!

[MineralMan]

14. Being a geezer has its moments.

[phantom power]

4. Might makes right for these people.

[Liberal_in_LA]

6. excellent

[pacalo]

7. Did you notice the look on the old man's face after the Navy guy's comment?

I hope he was embarrassed to high heaven.

I'm thinking back now about Joe Biden's face when he told Ashcroft through gnashing teeth & with flashing eyes during a senate committee hearing, ""There's a reason why we sign these treaties: to protect my son in the military. That's why we have these treaties, so when Americans are captured they are not tortured. That's the reason, in case anybody forgets it."

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. THis old guy glared at the Navy Commander

I glared back...

He stormed out..

Then this Commander and I had a short conversation on this... and US Law and illegal orders

[haele]

25. Last week, I was in the hallway at work (military base) talking to a new, young co-worker -

He had just been transferred from his first job with the government (he had worked at a rather small shop habituated by Randriods) and was asking me about the stickers he saw on my car, asking me if it was okay to drive on base with the "anti-government" bumper stickers I had ("Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry" "Obama Biden" "Retired Navy Chief" and "No on Prop 8" are Anti-government?).
I replied that so long as there were no indecent words or incitements to kill or damage, it didn't matter what was on my bumper, and that it wasn't illegal to be a liberal in the military.
A Navy Commander coming up behind me, loudly commented that "Thank god it isn't illegal to be a liberal" and gave me a thumbs up as he walked passed.

Lots of liberals are serving in the military - and I've noticed that Faux Noise is no longer one of the standard "go to" satellite feeds for TV's in military waiting spaces, on ship or shore. It seems to be CNN, Discovery, National Geographic, The Military or the History Channels now.


Haele

[pacalo]

32. And thank God the military isn't forced to be in lock-step & hiding how they really feel.

I realize the military requires respect toward the CIC, but they also emphasize protecting those who are not able to protect themselves, which is the crux of liberals' complaints against the Iraq invasion & the Stalinist CIC who obviously instructed them to disallow any messages that didn't worship him.

Nice post.

[get the red out]

102. Anti-government?

Does he realize that the Commander and Chief of the United States, the leader of the government your bumper stickers are supposed to be against, is a Democrat? Has the election not sunk in yet?

[haele]

108. He mistook my car for another gold Focus in our base parking lot -

One that had similar stickers plus a huge "IMPEACH BUSH" sticker. I've parked next to that one before - and that one has been regularly in E-7/CPO parking for the past two years, so the driver is either an active or retired E-7 in the Navy or Marine Corps or a dependant of one.
Like me.
As I indicated, this guy was still pretty much a kid from a "conservative" background that never served in the military. He's still figuring out that it's not what people say they do or did, or how much money they make or what title they insist on you calling them, it's what they actually do or did that counts. And with only about 60% of the people on this base actually in or having been in the military, there are plenty of shops that have people with college degrees but no actual military service making Engineering decisions. He just happened to of had his first job here in one of those shops.

Haele

[pacalo]

29. Awesome! I wish I could have been there. :)

[Muttocracy]

69. ooh, good memory - Where the heck is Ashcroft these days?!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/06/09/ashcroft_condemns_torture/

[rainbow4321]

88. He is starting a law firm in Texas (read it yesterday)

I can't post the link right now cuz I'm posting via my blackberry on my way to work but yesterday I read that he and a couple other lawyers are forming a law firm here in TX. One of the other guys used to be a U.S attorney from the Eastern District in TX--he was appointed by chimp and quit his position post-chimp regime.
I'll post the link when I get home tonight.

[dmr]

92. Hey, maybe Gonzo can finally get a job

that is if even Ashcroft would hire the guy!

They can call the firm 'The Ex-AG Club, Twisted and Sadistic'.

What's Ashcroft doing in Texas? Missouri doesn't want him anymore?

[rainbow4321]

98. They're supposed to open an office there, also

In Missouri, that is. A few weeks ago there was a blurb in our paper about one of the other lawyers. He had said that the firm would be defending "white collar crime" suspects. At the time he didn't mention that Ashcroft would be part of the group. Guess they figure there will be a booming number of those suspects after having the chimp regime in charge for eight years.
Funny how the current articles have dropped that comment once Ashcroft's name was announced.

[pacalo]

110. I had to look up the actual quote, but I do remember his facial expressions. :)

[JuniperLea]

8. Way to go!

We should all follow your example and speak truth to the stupidity whenever possible.

Government officials are coming out of the woodwork... the fear of Der Fuhrer has passed... there are far more of us than there are of them; the election proved this beyond a glimmer of a notion of a shadow of a doubt... it's time.

:yourock:

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Live in a navy town

have been talking down to these idiots for more than a few years now

The loud mouths who belong to the 101st keyboard brigade are loud because nobody faces them

[MineralMan]

16. Well, they rarely actually voice their filthy opinions

in places where they're likely to be confronted with them. They post on places like Free Republic and Stormfront.

These days, they're finding that speaking out gets serious disagreement. We won. I try not to let them forget it when they spew garbage.

Still, you have to pick your opportunities. There are places where it's unsafe to beard these twits.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. East County, but I don't go there

:-)

[MineralMan]

19. Smart of you.

[calimary]

26. That's it, exactly! They spew because nobody's out there checking it, challenging it,

rebutting it with - um - these ridiculous things called "facts."

They're used to just being able to spew without consequences. Well, times are different now, and we've seen too much and we know too much and EVERYTHING we all were trying so hard to say to stop all the madness turned out to be true, and we won't be suppressed anymore!!!

You only beat a bully by getting in his or her face and hitting back. And hitting back HARD. Because basically, bullies are cowards.

[calimary]

28. That's it, exactly! They spew because nobody's out there checking it, challenging it,

rebutting it with - um - these ridiculous and inconvenient things called "facts."

They're used to just being able to spew without consequences. Well, times are different now, and we've seen too much and we know too much and EVERYTHING we all were trying so hard to say to stop all the madness turned out to be true, and we won't be suppressed anymore!!!

You only beat a bully by getting in his or her face and hitting back. And hitting back HARD. Because basically, bullies are cowards.

BTW - GREAT JOB! These people need to be put in their places.

[islandgirl808]

15. *hugs*

you are AWESOME

:fistbump:

[Pooka Fey]

20. Thank you !!! KnR

[Rick Myers]

23. Great job, NB!!!

There's nothing more fun than verbally smacking down a nitwit!!!

[Hissyspit]

24. Did you mention that the neocon people who ordered this stuff didn't serve?

And that George W. Bush abandoned his service.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Nah, but only because I have discovered those facts don't matter

make any of this personal, and it starts sinking in

[lpbk2713]

27. Too late, I know, but he should have been directed to this site ....

Link: http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/served.htm

That asshole was a Kool-Aid drinker for sure.

[Solomon]

36. Glad you posted this. I was about to tell the OP that a

big point was missed. Ever check the service record of Congressman. It's almost all democrats and very few republicans.

[VenusRising]

30. Good on you!

And hopefully it will make him think twice before spouting his bullshit in public again.

:applause::yourock::toast:

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. We can hope

[barbtries]

33. these are my favorite stories to read on DU!

the best part is that it sounds as if you had the support of most of the people in that room. and it sounds as if they all knew what was being discussed!

justice may happen after all

[truedelphi]

39. Whoah! Kudos toyou. And K & R.

[Terry in Austin]

40. Nicely done!

:toast:

[Hepburn]

42. PROPS!

:applause:

[Fire1]

43. Way to go, dude!!!!

[Bobbie Jo]

44. "Well, you damn lberals never serve..."

Yeah baby....I LOVE it when I get that one. :smoke:

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. I love it too

between having actually served (in somebody else's military, my job was to partly enforce them silly conventions) and having married a US sailor who went to war...

Yep, I love it every time...

Now I almost expected the I was at (insert conflict here you *(*&^&**) but I guess this older gentleman was also a draft dodger

[ejpoeta]

46. that is my thoughts exactly. anyone who supports torture also supports

the torture of american soldiers. torture is ok, then it is ok for others to do it to OUR soldiers. it's amazing how many would go ballistic if that were done to any american soldier. good response to the guy. good response!!

[defendandprotect]

72. "Anyone who supports torture also supports the torture of American soldiers". . . absolutely--!!!

torture is ok, then it is ok for others to do it to OUR soldiers

Nice post which makes things very clear ---

:)

[rucky]

48. Cool. What's SERE?

[Codeine]

51. Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape

It's a training regime that teaches soldiers how to deal with capture. Participants are waterboarded so they can experience how utterly debilitating it is, among other things.

A great bit on NPR's "All Things Considered" program dealt with it today.

[poboyross]

63. Completely off subject, *but*

I thought your pharmaceutical image was in reference to American Idol until I made out the little blurb...how bad is that? :P I think I like my interpretation better! ;)

.......everyone please continue the regularly scheduled conversation.......

[flyarm]

53. OH DEAR DEAR NADIN..I WISH I HAD BEEN THERE WITH YOU!!!!!!!

DEAR NADIN.. How freaking long have we been at this bullshit??????

But we have come a long way lady, have we not???????

I thought i was the only loud one in waiting rooms!!

Except now instead of us getting the rolling eys ..we get the applause!! Long time coming..

And hey if i haven't told you lately..thanks for serving .you and yours..if you get my meaning!!

Seems to me it was only last week that you and I were getting our brains beat out even here on DU about prosecutions..seems the tide has turned..or would that be the ASPENS???????????

GOOD ON YOU GAL!!

The one benefit I find now from being loud in waiting rooms for Doctors..now they put me in a room right away..and they don't have me wait in the waiting room..for fear, i believe, that they think i will start a revolt in their waiting rooms!! Lol..

Here's to you dear Nadin!!!!

fly

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. In spirit fly, in spirt

and the silent applause to open applause has happened, the switch that is, over the last two months or so

Seems the swearing in and looking at two very scared excuses for human beings at the inaguration have done something to the national consciousness

And as to revelations of what we have done... expect this to be the damn tip of the damn iceberg

People lack imagination as to what folks are capable of doing.

[Thickasabrick]

54. OMG - that was awesome. I wish I was as brave as you. Thank you. NT

[Forkboy]

64. I think I love you.

:D

[bertman]

65. SWEEEEETT!!! Nice work.

When I'm around a butthole like that guy I usually get so worked up that I can't think straight. I'm always afraid that I'll just lose it if they start talking back.

Good for you for helping all of us to have a good response for those idiots.

[lonestarnot]

66. Hot diggity those car service waits are fun aren't they!

:applause: I've experienced a few myself. :evilgrin:

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. They are... but they are not as painful as they used to be

that service station USED to run FOX....

But hey, good service, free coffee, and if you can, free pastries.

And the few assholes

:evilgrin:

[lonestarnot]

94. They must be all alike, same experience here!

:evilgrin:

[AspenRose]

71. People who say those kinds of things usually haven't served in the military

They hate our troops, basically.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Well given that 1% of our population has actually served

and only 5% has direct contact with the armed forces, chances are in these contacts they have not served.

Of course in a navy town the percentages do go up, of both active, reserve and retired... but hey... this does not mean the idiots keep quiet

I have had a few interesting contacts with the idiots... and a few times with active duty personnel involved.

[defendandprotect]

75. Glad to hear this story for a number of reasons . . . for one,

Americans being more politically open -- I love to pass by people now and hear

them talking about politics. Never used to be!

Also -- when we do, we are obviously clearly more liberal/progressives.

And happy to hear that you had support for your comments!

Thank you!

[bbgrunt]

77. wow. you make us proud. great job of standing up to bullies.

[orleans]

78. wow! (my car dealership plays FOX!)

...as if that's the point--which i know it's not.

great job. probably cathartic for everyone all the way around just hearing another person saying that. (except for the asshole)

[Norquist Nemesis]

79. Brings tears of joy to my eyes

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[omega minimo]

81. Good for you.

:toast:

[BlooInBloo]

82. Heh. Very nice.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

83. With people like you in car dealerships

other people are gonna get edjucated! Nice one.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

97. Awesome! I am impressed!

I have the nerve, but can't gather my thoughts for a good reply when it comes to these idiots.

Guess I'll just be glad that there are people like you

:yourock:

[Highway61]

87. Way to go

Great smack down

[Bette Noir]

90. Can I give you a medal?

I like that you were applauded. I like even more that a military officer added his voice to the chorus. To listen to the media, you'd think everybody thought like the yahoo you slapped down.

[FourScore]

93. Thank you.

:hug:

[MindPilot]

95. That was awesome!! Do you mind saying what dealer it was?

[nadinbrzezinski]

103. Local honda dealership

[SemperEadem]

99. Brilliant!!! See, that is the strategy...

The question to put to these idiots is: if waterboarding is not torture, then you won't mind subjecting your 5 yr old granddaughter to it, right? It's not torture, after all..

I'm sure there is a thread in the political video section of Lawrence O'Donnell on Countdown last night, but what he said last night was art in action.

[DrZeeLit]

100. Wow... it's been a long time since somebody gave me goosepimples with a post... but FRACK! You did!

That was bitchin!

[indepat]

101. "Glad somebody actually gets it "speaks volumes for all those in the military who dare not

have spoken directly. :P

[BrklynLiberal]

105. Standing Ovation----

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one more rec for 100

[Vidar]

109. Bravo. Well done.

[ourbluenation]

111. BRAVO!!!!!!!

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