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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:36 PM
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I'm going to change my party affiliation ...>>Link>> after what obama did.. sickening censorship
http://www.usmjparty.org/site-map.html

what was the REAL QUESTION.. ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYrAZxCAKU&feature=chan...

agricultural hemp would be immediately a 1/4 Trillion dollar industry, even before it frees us from
foreign oil, THAT IS WHY IT IS ILLEGAL.. !! BEST, CLEANEST RENEWABLE BIO-DIESEL THERE IS. then there is the building materials, chemicals/resin/plastics, non toxic base for oil paint, textiles, animal feed, human food, fiber for clothes, non acid paper..

http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html

http://www.jackherer.com.html
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:58 PM
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1. Kidding, right?
I agree with the whole "let's end the drug war, let's tax it, let's have it for medicine and fuel and fabric" idea, but start a new single-issue party that doesn't have a chance in hell of beating Democrats or Republicans in any but a tiny number of races?

How does this work?

:shrug:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:02 PM
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3. not the point.. did you read the rest.. we got screwed by Obama, badly
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:20 PM
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8. I guess you had to be there
at Burning Man. :eyes:
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:00 PM
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2. well, I guess that wouldn't stimulate the economy of....
Exxon/Mobile, DuPont, Georga Pacific, Dow, Monsato...just to throw a handful out there. And believe me, I'd like to see everyone of them fall by the wayside
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:05 PM
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4. there's the door
don't let it hit you on the way out
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:14 PM
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5. Yeah, political parties won't solve this unless they have to.
There isn't enough political capital in the world to be honest and progressive about ending marijuana prohibition. We'll have to look to individual states for these initiatives. Depressing.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:15 PM
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6. I'm with you on that. I'm done with him, We The People are being betrayed in so many ways:
-- mj/hemp -- no backing for legalization
-- war in Afghanistan
-- no prosecution of war criminals/traitors/blatant lawbreakers
-- health care -- single-payer "would raise taxes" so it's out
-- handover of our tax dollars to wealthy welfare recipients for jets, yachts, "bonuses"
-- "bipartisan" bullshit that simply dilutes any effort at progressive legislation
-- DLC/fake Democrat/right wing appointees
-- retention of as many of bushco's lawyers in DOJ as wanted to stay
-- continuation of rendition, and Guantanamo detainees still held without being charged
-- calling Chavez a "terrorist" instead of taking the golden opportunity to enjoy a good relationship with our neighbors to the south = ASININE

If you're not a billionaire, just as with *, you don't count, and if it doesn't have to do with war war war war war and Wall Street, it doesn't count.

this was a "community organizer"? community of bankers, perhaps.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:31 PM
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11. I feel the same way. nt
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:35 PM
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28. I'm starting to feel that way too
What's so evil about raising taxes..I personally would gladly pay 2-5% more for universal health care.....
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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:16 PM
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23. I'm pissed too...


You list several issues that are important as well...Single Payer Health care is a big issue,but looks like we're gonna get the shaft on that as well....hey!Can't go pissing off the big money people.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:08 PM
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32. Oh good.
bye.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:17 PM
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7. Go cry, emo kid.
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:36 PM
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12. A man after mine own heart!
:rofl:
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:28 PM
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9. LOL
:crazy:
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:28 PM
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10. Yeah, sure, that approach will get the job done.
Look, I agree with you (and Herer) in theory, but relying on a "political party" that's only platform is legalizing MJ gives the rest of the country the impression that you're just a bunch of potheads sitting around yelling because you're pissed that the plant is still illegal.

Instead, why not soldier on and make your case by showing your support for Democrats like Tom Ammiano in CA or Jim Webb with what they are proposing?
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:38 PM
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13. One-issue voter, Exhibit A.
:eyes:

And I'm a pothead too, so don't even start with me.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:39 PM
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14. Give up man... they will never get it.
What I fear is that some of the talking heads are right. Obama is a cult to some like Bush was to the Freeps. There is apparently no disagreeing with Obama on DU. If you do disagree you are being petty and your outrage is "faux". Just because there is no real case for keeping pot illegal, just because every single argument can be refuted in the blink of an eye, just because Obama is DEAD FUCKING WRONG about this issue, doesn't mean you are allowed to say that. No we have to be good little Dems and march in fucking lock step or... or... or... someone might call us names on DU!!!! I've stayed away from here for a few months and came back to being called a lazy whiny pothead. Well that's good enough for me, it's on DU so it must be true.



Oh and BTW great links man, here's another.. Maybe if you can't make them understand how much could be coming in they will get it when they see how much is going out.

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm


My final thought would be what if Bush had made that statement and I came on here berating him for it. Would I be being made fun of or hailed as a good little librul?
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:45 PM
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15. But don't you think there's a difference between "disagreeing" and writing him off completely?
The former is perfectly understandable, and I know I've shaken my head at some of his decisions, but the latter is premature at best.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:57 PM
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16. Well this is the first "changing party" post I've seen
I haven't written Obama off by a long shot but yet if I say anything that disagrees with him I become a "whiny pothead". What really pisses me off is the people here should know better.

Like I said if I had posted that I disagreed with Bush on legalization I would have had hundreds of supporters. When I disagree with Obama about the same thing I see these pathetic posts about how I knew what I was getting when I voted and I should just shut up and stop this "faux outrage".

This issue has become more than just legalization, it has become a litmus test for DU.

Sorry but I never bought into the my candidate/my party/my country right or wrong crap. I never saw one post that made a decent argument for not legalizing all I saw was pot smokers being berated for not bowing down to Obama even though he is dead wrong.

I can understand why the OP wants to switch parties, he's certainly been told in so many words that he is not wanted around here.
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:59 PM
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17. I guess Obama's been attacked so much from the right, that when it's the left criticizing him,
people get just as defensive even though they shouldn't. I for one have never told anyone to "shut up" when criticizing Obama, in part because nothing written on a fucking *message board* could possibly undermine the man.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:05 PM
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18. Exactly.. this is a message board. Not a goddamn litmus test.
It's supposed to be about sharing ideas and at one time it was. I used to spend hours here every day. Now I check in on the Top Ten and make a post once a week or so. It's a damn shame that many people want this place to be nothing than the polar opposite of FR.

Oh and if you thought I was laying the name calling at your feet I apologize there are many DU'ers like yourself who are fair minded, free thinking and clever, but there are too many really loud ones who aren't.
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:07 PM
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19. Understood. I was a bit irritated at the OP, is all.
nt
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:12 AM
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46. Ha ha
You speak the truth.

I had to laugh at the "fucking *message board*" part.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:12 PM
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20. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!!!!
:hi:

Don't let the door hit ya on the brain on the way out!!!
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:12 PM
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21. bye.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:16 PM
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22. Your last link is not working, btw.
Yep, I went to them all, and I have to say that it was more than disappointing to hear Obama make a joke out of this, and out of the online community. The prison population for marijuana crimes, alone, is reason enough to take the possible legalization seriously. I understand that out and out voiced approval would have been a political mistake at this point, but to make a joke? Very disappointing.

Oh, and I don't smoke pot. At all. I have an adverse reaction to it. Or, at least I did the last 3 times I tried it, over 20 years ago.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:33 PM
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24. Excuse me while I go hilariously laugh offline for a moment
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 08:37 PM by Jennicut
Okay, over marijuana, really?
Go find a 3rd party then. Greens? Libertarians? Where ya gonna go?
I want it legalized too but then again I am 33 not 21 anymore. One issue does not make or break a Presidency.
Good luck on finding a more pure leftist leader. Nader is still looking for love.
This is Democratic Underground after all.
I am a-okay with criticisms but 2 months in and ready to ditch already? Were you around for the epic battles of Clinton back in the 1990's from the left and the right? They were not pretty. Obama is way more to the left then Clinton anyways.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:17 PM
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25. Goodbye...I hope when the effects wear off your not Republicans again.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:22 PM
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26. Fine. Naderite Underground is down the street.
Don't come back whining when the Pukes come back into power because your ideological puritanism.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:26 PM
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27. Did you see my post re the case on CNN tonight?
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Mr. Hyde Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:49 PM
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29.  I supported Hillary from the beginning to the bitter end and...
I told you so.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:10 PM
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33. You just signed up a month ago. When did you tell us so? Also, since when was Clinton for
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 10:12 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
legalization?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:01 PM
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36. Cool, dude. You mean our current Sec of State made a campaign promise to legalize pot?!
Dude, who knew?
:sarcasm:

Hekate


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:17 PM
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37. When did you "tell us so?" You weren't here during the primes--or were you?
Hmmm...

Nevertheless, I am giggling uncontrollably at the inanity of your post.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:53 PM
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41. So, I guess that makes you a sock puppet. n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:00 AM
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42. Did you "tell us so" back when you were MrJekyl?
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:56 PM
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30. Ya know if you smoked real pot instead of hemp you wouldn't have posted this.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:59 PM
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31. rope sucks.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:54 PM
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34. Take the plunge!
I did five years ago and it feels quite liberating!
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:58 PM
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35. Simple answer: become a registered independent instead.
And support the person who actually reflects your views on the issues that matter to you.

Regardless of their party affiliation.

Not the lesser evil one.
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C......N......C Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:19 PM
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38. Do you think an independent could win the up coming FL Senate seat.
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:34 PM
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39. Glad you ask. I was hoping someone would.
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 11:37 PM by No.23
Pop quiz: how do you make a so-called "unelectable" Indie or Third-party-ite electable?

By supporting and voting for them, even if the masses contend that they're unelectable.

That's the only way that you make the "unelectable" electable.

Otherwise, and if you choose not to vote for someone because others perceive them as "unelectable", they will remain... yes, you guessed it... unelectable.

Bottom line: you can't go wrong with supporting/voting for someone who actually reflects the positions on the issues tat matter most to you.

P.S. I never understood why so many people were willing to wait until other people made someone electable, before they voted for 'em. YOU... make someone electable. Or not.
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C......N......C Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:40 PM
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I think destiny has made that seat available. Never know who the
official candidate will be, but there is not much to chose from.
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:03 AM
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44. Irrespective of who it will be, it pays to...
identify yourself as an Independent and not a party loyalist.

The more people do that, the more the Parties will feel that they have to earn your support.

A novel idea, I know.

Earning your support, that is.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:40 PM
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40. "I'm going to change my party affiliation!" Wow, you'll REALLY send a message with that move!
Your walkout will really blister the hides of those awful hemp-hating Democrats. :sarcasm:

Right now, Obama and the Democratic Party have much bigger (and far more shark-like) fish to fry.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:03 AM
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43. Try holding your breath, instead.
Take a deep cleansing breath.

Hold it.

Exhale.

Repeat until you're singing Bob Marley.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:08 AM
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45. Door, meet ass..........
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 02:42 AM
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47. Thanks for the heads up on that 2nd video
I was annoyed at the way he handled the question yesterday. He could have given the same answer without being flip and dismissive. Now I see he completely and purposely mis-characterized the question into something totally different. That was completely unnecessary and harmful. Very disappointing to say the least.

He's barely started his Presidency, so I'm in no way even thinking of writing him off. Not at all. But he doesn't seem to have any intention of instituting single payer health care that isn't beholden to insurance companies. He apparently wants to take things real slow like on this. Don't want to upset anybody. And I'm certainly not looking for any significant reform of the Federal drug laws any time soon either.

The thing that bugs me about this is that Bush, or whoever the hell was in charge, was able to do just about any goddamned thing he wanted to do, any goddamned time he wanted to do it, and fuck anybody who didn't like it. Those pricks did whatever the hell they wanted for 8 years. I'd like to see the Democrats get just a little ruthless for once. They're in power now. Figure out what the right thing to do is, and then go ahead and get it done in a fucking hurry. If it's a bad idea, the sooner we find out the better. If it's a good idea that benefits society then the Democratic vote will be locked up and enough repugs will realize things are better and the 2010 and 2012 elections shouldn't be anything to fear.

"Overall, the researchers say, 18,314 people die in the USA each year because they lack preventive services, a timely diagnosis or appropriate care." This from IOM (Institute of Medicine) a non-profit organization of experts that advises Congress on health issues in a 2002 report. I never heard of them, but even if they're off by 50%, that still means over 9,000 deaths per year due to lack of adequate medical coverage for everyone. Now, if all of a sudden we started losing 9,0000 a year in Iraq, 24 soldiers every fucking day, you can bet the party in power would be working overtime to get THAT stopped in a hurry. Yet at least 9000 people ARE dying each year because of inadequate health care and we're apparently going to get some half-assed solution that won't discomfit in any way those who already have health care. They been used to a certain system for a long time and it might be a little jarring if things are changed up too much.

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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 07:29 AM
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48. I tried to say something similar
up thread, but didn't manage to explain myself as well as you. I understand Obama's choice not to take a stand on this issue so early in his presidency. It makes perfect sense to me. I do, however, find myself wondering how a creative, intelligent politician like Obama might answer a question like this, to the satisfaction of his party. Because I do expect so much more from him, as I should, I can't help but feel disappointed when he behaves in much the way I would if I were sidestepping the issue.
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