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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:31 AM
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Rosie O'Donnell Posts Information about the Gulf Of Tonkin On Her Blog, Trying
To Enlighten her fans about a false flag operation that led us into escalating Vietnam. Not one mention about the fact that we are on the precipice with war with Iran. I guess she is hoping that people will add two and two together as our ships in the Gulf seem to be daring Iran to do more....

One of the links at her blog is Stop The War With Iran. She sees it on the horizon as I do, and I almost feel as if the majority Democratic party is ignoring this. All they have to do is read Rebuilding America's Defenses which is the plan in PNAC to know that Iran was to come after Iraq.
www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

http://ga4.org/campaign/stopiranwar/forward

Meanwhile, Rosie has been in the news lately as being part of the 9/11 Truth Movement and has written her questions about 9/11 on her blog.

http://www.rosie.com/

Blog Entry of Gulf of Tonkin

the gulf of tonkin
Posted by ro on March 26th at 3:55pm in in the news

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident began with an “imaginary” attack by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats on the Maddox, a U.S. destroyer, in the Gulf of Tonkin on 2 August 1964. Two days later, that vessel and another U.S. destroyer in the area both reported themselves under renewed attack, although North Vietnam subsequently insisted that it hadn’t attacked — and no attack is now believed to have occurred on the 4th of August.
Within hours, Johnson ordered retaliatory air strikes on the bases of the North Vietnamese boats and announced, in a television address to the American public the same evening, that U.S. naval forces had been attacked. In a message he sent to Congress the following day, the President affirmed that “the North Vietnamese regime had conducted further deliberate attacks against U.S. naval vessels operating in international waters.”
Johnson requested approval of a resolution “expressing the unity and determination of the United States in supporting freedom and in protecting peace in southeast Asia”. He said that the resolution should express support “for all necessary action to protect our Armed Forces” — but repeated previous assurances that “the United States… seeks no wider war”. As the nation entered the final three months of political campaigning for the 1964 elections (in which Johnson was standing for election), the president contended that the resolution would help “hostile nations… understand” that the United States was unified in its determination “to continue to protect its national interests.”<2>


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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:35 AM
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1. While she can suggest and give her thoughts
she really can't say this is leading to war with Iran. It's usually what's read between the lines that speaks the loudest. She did good. I saw her talking about this on "the View" yesterday.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:40 AM
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4. I would love to know if she knows about PNAC and if she does, I would love her discuss it.
If America really knew how there really has been a plan out there, a plan that is destroying our country by delusional neocons (who probably played Risk as teens), I believe there will be mass outrage. Americans don't like being duped.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 07:19 AM
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9. This may sound silly, but I written to her twice this week (she didn't choose my Qs to A)
After she told everyone to google the Gulf of Tonkin, I thought I'd tell her to google PNAC, RAD and Cheney together.

Maybe if more people told her to do this, she may look into it.

I wonder if she ever looked at my messages because they ran longer then the 200 character limit.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 07:32 AM
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12. lol! I just sent a message the same way about PNAC and RAD! Who knows? nt
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 12:24 PM
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21. I tried writing to her again...this time I keep my message under the 200 character limit
This is what I wrote. I wish others would try at Rosie.com.

In '90's VP DC formed an org $$ by energy and defense Co, Project for the New American Century (PNAC). In '00 they made public their "Rebuilding America's Defense" plan, world domination through aggression. Tell All Plz.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 07:48 AM
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13. Here's the clip from yesterday's View
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rh31nWLZ2QU

As she says, google it. You can find things that way that don't appear on national tv.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:35 AM
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2. Well, Rosie is getting close, she should invite Noam Chomsky
...on her show as her guest
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:39 AM
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3. I love Rosie
but honestly, if she doesn't learn to temper her comments a bit, she's going to be worthless as a voice of opposition. I can believe to the tips of my toes that Poppy Bush was involved in JFK's murder, but you'd never catch me saying it in public. There are more important things that need believing for me to risk my credibility saying crap that can't be proved.
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:47 AM
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5. What's her appeal?
Every time I've watched her, on any show, she seems to embody the awkward "big-mouthed ditsy Hollywood liberal" stereotype, if anyone ever has. Even when she takes a position I agree with, her defense of it is usually a silly face, or a lame joke, at best. A living, breathing straw-woman.

Then there's the whole "ching chong" thing...

K, that's off my chest. I see Rosie threads every second day or so; had to get that out :crazy:.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 07:30 AM
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11. I'm not a huge fan of hers by any means...
...but she's got guts, big time, which I admire.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:03 AM
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15. Speaking as someone who couldn't stand her
previously to her View gig, I would say her appeal is that she is one of the few people who on TV who isn't consulted, tested, pre-screened, and generally controlled to death. She's a loose cannon. That's actually highly refreshing to me. And you can tell it drives Walters nuts. Walters hates controversy, she always says so and so is 'a friend of the show'. But she puts up with it because the ratings are through the roof.

Yeah, she's can seem overbearing, superficial in her analysis, and her obsession with all things broadway makes me ill, but this is still one of the few shows in mainstream world that talk about truly untouchable topics. In the last month she's focused on Abu Ghairib, Pat Tillman, and on her blog she talks about 9/11 conspiracy. Not to mention Gulf of Tonkin. (It amazes me people don't know this. It should be into the common American lexicon as Babe Ruth.) Where else does this happen? You could put Noam Chomsky on, but ain't nobody gonna watch. They watch Rosie.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:58 PM
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27. And speaking of "untouchable topics" -- TODAY, it was
lesbian sex. Yes. When's the last time you saw any actual discussion about THAT on network TV?
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:53 PM
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26. Yeah. And it was SO valuable
:puke:

Sexist too.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:51 AM
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6. I don't watch her
But I'm reading "The Penagon papars" right now. Creepy.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 07:05 AM
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7. lol! I remember when the Pentagon papers were exposed. I don't know how close
to the truth it is, but there was a film made, "The Pentagon Papers" about Ellsberg, his discovering them and eventually getting them "out there".

IMHO Ellsberg is a hero.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 07:23 AM
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10. I started after reading Howard Zinn's
"A People's History of the United States" He references them quite a bit for that time period

They're on-line here;
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon/pent1.html

War is so fucked up.

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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:46 AM
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16. I marched against the war with vets in March of 2003
While we were walking from the korean monument towards the White House a car pulled up to the crowd of protesters and a single man got out, was dropped off essentially to the middle of the march. People cheered his arrival andcalled out to him from behind us and were very excited about him joining the march. My husband and I were near him and not quite knowing who he was we asked to take his picture which he permitted. I got his name and looked it up afterwards and was AMAZED needless to say who I had just met. My only regret was not being in the picture with him.

Nice guy in person, obviously still fighting the good fight. A true American Hero. :patriot:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 03:14 PM
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23. How exciting for you and your husband! He was against this war from the get go. Your story
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 03:15 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
made me remember something about a march I was on in 1967. It was in NYC, the Stop The Draft March, and I got there a little late. I wound up marching towards the back, side by side, with Dr. Benjamin Spock! He was a very cool and womderful man. :)
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:26 PM
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22. great book!
read it a couple of years ago.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 07:17 AM
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8. Glad her post 9.11crush on * throwing balls at Yankees is over...still don't want
her speaking for any important issue.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 08:34 AM
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14. Rosie Is Always Saying "I grew up during Vietnam"
and she makes a lot of bold statements about knowing an awful lot about Vietnam, because she was there. She was 9/10 years old when Vietnam was coming to an end. While I appreciate her rants against Bush and this illegal horror of a war, I wish she would stop with the "I grew up" references. Barbara Walters "was there", Rosie honey, you were just a little girl in 5th grade when Vietnam was coming to an end.
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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 12:06 PM
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20. I'm two years younger than Rosie, and I feel like my political views were greatly shaped by Vietnam
If you grew up with activist (or even aware) parents, this is something that really did have a big impact on children. I recall going to peace marches as a 6-7 year old, and I vividly remember the news reports. That kind of violence at a young age really does stick with you. After seeing the news footage of the fall of Saigon, I couldn't sleep for days. I remember seeing an older woman pushed off of the helicopter pad in the chaos. An image I will never forget.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 11:59 AM
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31. I'm about the same age as Rosie...though I didn't know the politics of Vietnam..
I do remember the feelings. I remember watching my mom and grandmother watch the ten o'clock news, and seeing them cry. I remember the war footage, and how all the names of the passing soldiers were listed everynight.

I had cousins in the war and remember how they came home "changed".

I tell my kids "I grew up during the Vietnam war", because at ten, I was growing up.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:52 AM
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17. Did you watch the show today?
Did you hear Elizabeth when she said something like Rumsfeld would never be held for anything because nothing's on paper? ...It's like all these republicans think it's alright to be criminals because there's no proof of their crimes.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 03:43 PM
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25. I didn't see it. I was watching the House Oversight Hearings. That is just so typical
of their amoral mindset. I hope someone posted it to youtube.
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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 11:09 AM
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18. As a suburban housewife, I can see Rosie's influence everyday...
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 11:56 AM by drmom
...women who would otherwise not be interested in the news are watching The View, and I hear about it at soccer practice, while waiting to pick-up the kids after school, etc. Rosie really is opening up a lot of minds, and should be thanked by those of us who want to get the truth out there.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 11:30 AM
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19. Well said, drmom.
Most folk here in the Motor City talk about American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. It's sick.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:05 PM
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28. I couldn't agree more. I see Rosie bring things up, or take a stand
on subject I KNOW a good many of the viewers never heard, didn't know, hadn't thought about, and NEED (some of them) to be downright shocked out of their minds about. She is an incredible weapon for the left on the moment. Absolutely first rate, invaluable.

That's why I hate seeing the criticism of her here. SHE'S A FAT LESBIAN BIG MOUTH COMIC, people -- and she knows it, and she deserves just as much respect as someone beautiful, ladylike and soft-spoken. In fact, MORE because of (a) her incredible talent, (b) her intelligence, (c) her courage, and (d) her activism.

I'm so fucking sick of the sexism here.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 03:43 PM
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24. I personally can't stand her,but good for her.
:applause:
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:31 AM
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29. She just updated her blog with this entry:
anderson cooper
wake up

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities.

the british did it on purpose
into iranian waters
as
US MILITARY BUILD UP ON THE IRANIAN BORDER

we will be in iran
before summer
as planned

come on people
u have 2 c
i know u can


http://www.rosie.com/
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:20 AM
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30. Too bad she's a gun grabber. Repugs would never win again except for that issue.
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