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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:34 PM
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Anyone else think that dog on KO was having a seizure?
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 08:35 PM by tridim
My dog has epilepsy and that's exactly what her seizures look like.

Yikes, not good Kieth. Seizures aren't funny.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:35 PM
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1. why was a dog on KO?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:37 PM
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3. He showed this video of a "dog running in his sleep"
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:39 PM
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6. Yuck
Poor dog. I don't really find KO to be much of an animal lover.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:36 PM
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2. Something was wrong with the dog
I hope the stupid owner didn't give it drugs.

Turley coming up now.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:38 PM
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4. "Think about the epiletic dogs..."
See my sig pic...LD
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:39 PM
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5. Our Lab, Tasha used to "chase rabbits" in her sleep
I aldo have a snoring cat.. she snores so loudly that she wakes the other ones up:rofl:
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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:24 PM
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23. I've seen my dogs twitch around in their sleep
quite a bit, and even moan and whine and yelp a little - but not get up and run.
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Yunomi Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:40 PM
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7. Same dog from Anderson Cooper yesterday?
If so, that dog looked like it was having a very enthusiastic dream. My dogs run in their sleep quite a bit, although I've never seen one hit the wall. They do jump up, awake, and look mightily confused and/or embarrassed.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:53 PM
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19. Yes, same dog as on Anderson Cooper
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 09:55 PM by DeschutesRiver
I've had two dogs with seizures - one had mild ones, which he'd recover from slowly with unsteady headquarters after sleeping it off a bit, and the other with severe ones which left her extremely disoriented, confused, unable to to quit walking around and around, running into walls, unaware for days. Neither resembled this dog's actions from start to finish, although my first thought at the begininng was of a seizure, until I watched the whole thing. He looked like he was running faster and faster, then bit at something chasing him, then leapt away from it, which wouldn't have been so bad but for that darned wall in his way. He came to pretty fast and steady on his feet at that point.

My seizure and non seizure dogs have all run in their sleep, with one that vocalizes too. I always knew when it was "dreaming/running" vs. a full blown severe seizure.

OTOH, there is a lot of variance in how a dog can express themselves while experiencing a seizure, and maybe this is just an expression with which I am not familiar. Would be interesting to have a vet's take on it.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:41 PM
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8. That's not a seizure it is a dog having a dream.
My dogs do it all the time. If say their name or pet them they wake right up, they wouldn't respond during a seizure. The muscle activity is far to coordinated for seizure activity.

David
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:41 PM
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9. My dog has them too. Very disturbing to watch.
The first part sort of looks like the way my dog is when she is having her seizures. But it looks like this dog is just having a nightmare of some sort and it's not a seizure.
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:43 PM
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10. Yes. That is the first thing I thought while watching the clip..
I, too, have an epileptic dog. That poor pooch was seizing! Breaks my heart.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:48 PM
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11. I just looked at some other "sleeping dog" videos on youtube..
and most of them are seizing IMO. So sad that people think this is funny.
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Baikonour Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:46 PM
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30. Are you a veterinarian or a neuro-scientist?
If so, I'd like to see your proof that "most of them are seizing."

Like I said, humans and dogs have an almost identical neuro-chemistry. When you move around in your sleep, do you call it seizing?

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:41 AM
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37. If you've had and cared for a dog with seizures, you know what it is. I've had three.
I adopted a sweet little cocker, my Samantha, who was given up because she was epileptic. I read everything I could find on the subject and consulted more than one vet. Hers were very violent, tried diet first (B/D is "brain diet," for dogs prone to seizures), finally had to put her on an anti-convulsant after she experienced three in one day. :-(

The deciding factor for me was the disorientation the dog experienced immediately afterwards. My dogs experienced that, had to watch them very carefully so they didn't fall or smash into something, as this dog did. So I tend to agree with the OP. Everybody, person or dog, moves in their sleep, but this was way more violent than that... :-(
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:51 PM
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12. No, that's a dog having a particularly dramatic and amusing dream.
When my dog had seizures, he didn't just snap out of it when he woke up like the dog in the video is.

"Yikes, not good Kieth. Seizures aren't funny."

No, but your knee jerk reaction to the funny video is. Or is that a seizure you're having?
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:52 PM
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13. My dog has seizures and that dog on KO

didn’t behave anything like my dog when she seizes at all, but, it also didn’t look like a dog dream….I don’t know but I hope he's OK.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:54 PM
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14. KO said the dog was fine
but I still hate seeing things like that, dogs running into walls etc. :-(
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:20 PM
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15. My Lab has dreams all the time. It's so cute. He even makes
barking sounds.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:26 PM
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16. umm what?
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 09:27 PM by iamthebandfanman
my old dog used to run like this in its sleep, just not as intensely... nor did it jump and think it was still dreaming for a second...

but i really dont think theres anything wrong with the dog, cept for the fact he got the sense knocked outa him when he hit that wall.. ouch!
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Christian30 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:29 PM
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17. My dog
snores, growls, barks, whines, and runs her legs (she doesn't get up) while she's sleeping. I didn't see the video, but I imagine it's probably just a dog sleeping. I've seen a dog have a seizure and it doesn't look the same.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:32 PM
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18. I don't think it was a seizure. Just a dream. Seizures have a longer recovery time.
Dogs often dream very loudly. I have never seen one that animated but mine used to run, whimper and growl in his sleep. It is incredibly common.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:13 PM
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20. Once again, KO puts a funny YouTube clip of someone's animal on his show
and someone accuses him of laughing at those poor sad animals like he hates them or something. Sheesh.

I love my cats, but if they do something embarrassing without doing serious damage to themselves, I laugh. I guess that means I'm not much of an animal lover. :sarcasm:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:32 PM
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25. Sounds like you don't understand the stress of caring for an epileptic dog.
Not many people do, so I forgive you.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:54 PM
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34. your probably the kind of sick human being
that laughs at the guy who gets hit with a football in the groin. Oh wait that is pretty damn funny.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:15 PM
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21. He was having a nightmare.
Notice how he was running with his tail tucked down between his legs, he was scared.

kind of sad.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:20 PM
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22. The dog I had when I was growing up had siezures that started mild and
progressed to severe before she died. In no stage did her movements ever look as much like "normal" running movements like the dreaming dog did. She ran in her dreams occasionally, but her movements were only about 15-20% as intense as the video dog's were. i think that was just a dog that was very active in dreamland.

It brought back good memories, and I laughed, just like I also used to laugh at my ex when he talked in his sleep, and I still laugh at my cats when they chase mice in their sleep, or even cuter, nurse in their sleep :loveya:
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:25 PM
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24. But you don't know if that footage was of a seizure, so why worry?
I've had dogs that looked exactly like that when they we're dreaming of sleeping.

So what?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:35 PM
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26. I worry because if it was a seizure the owner should get to the vet..
instead of putting the video on youtube. I posted the same on his youtube site, just in case.

As I stated, my dog is epileptic. I've witnessed hundreds of seizures that look exactly like the video.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:37 PM
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27. I thought it was just having a vivid dream.
It looked like it was running. It wasn't just making wild movements.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:43 PM
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28. nope. I had a dog with seizures and they weren't like that. I have had two labs and they
both would dream and run full force while laying on their sides sometimes barking and yelping. Their faces and ears twitch and sometimes tails wag. One bolted out of a chair he was sleeping in, while yelping and when he landed on the floor he had the WTF look on his face. He promptly got back up in the chair and went back to sleep.

Our dog that had seizures took a period of recovery before he could get up and move around. He would yelp when he went down and after the seizure had ended, it took some time and coaxing for him to get up.
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Baikonour Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:44 PM
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29. It's definitely NOT a seizure. Call off the morality brigade.
A good friend of mine is a vet, and when my dog started doing something similar (she runs in her sleep, but not that fast...she also cries in her sleep) he told me it's perfectly normal. Dogs dream just like humans.

Dogs and humans have an almost identical neuro-chemistry. They're more like us than you think.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:47 PM
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31. The dog was dreaming!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:49 PM
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32. dogs dream -- sometimes quite forcefully.
they really are like us.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:50 PM
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33. If it's the same dog they showed on CNN, I think it was just a dream.
I do the same thing. You should see the wall in my bedroom.

I'm kidding about the wall thing.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:23 AM
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35. It crossed my mind after reading your post, so I watched more carefully the second time through.
I've had three dogs with seizures. I adopted a little cocker who was epileptic and she had violent seizures, had to put her on an anticonvulsant after she had three in one day. I have also had two dogs with Cushing's Syndrome which can also cause seizures, and did. ;(

At first, it looked to me like he was running in his sleep, but it was more violent than most dogs exhibit, like my little Sammy with epilepsy, so you may be right. The thing that made me suspect seizure was that he was so disoriented when it was over. My dogs experienced that, so I had to watch them very carefully... :scared:

Either way, the poor dog, and I didn't find it funny, either... x(
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:30 AM
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36. I don't find animals running into walls particularly amusing. n/t
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