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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:01 PM
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Obama's Radical New Discourse
...by the always-a-must-read Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post:

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President Obama yesterday modeled a dramatic new form of discourse for the White House -- a possible antidote to the sound-bite culture of modern politics -- in which people with different views come together to engage in a respectful dialogue.

Some 130 Democratic, Republican and community leaders met in intense but collegial "breakout" groups on key issues related to the country's fiscal health for over two hours at the White House yesterday afternoon. They then gathered in an auditorium where Obama calmly and commandingly called on more than a dozen of them -- starting with his vanquished foe, Republican Senator John McCain -- to share their thoughts.

My favorite immediate response came from MSNBC anchor Tamron Hall, who marveled moments after the summit wrapped up: "The tone was very different than what we hear when people are guests on the show." It sure was.

Here's the transcript. "My sense is that, despite partisan differences, despite regional differences and different priorities, everybody is concerned about the legacy we're leaving to our children," Obama said. "And the hope was, is that if we had a forum like this to start talking about these issues that it would turn out that there are real opportunities for progress -- there are going to be some areas where we can't make progress -- but that we have more in common that we expect. And I appreciate that while we may have different opinions, there's a renewed willingness to put some concrete ideas on the table, even on those issues that are politically tough, and that's real progress."

Mark Miller, of the liberal Center for American Progress, told MSNBC's Hall: "What you saw here was a really genuine attempt by a president who's very comfortable dealing with the substance, to engage political leaders across the spectrum....It's like a national teach-in almost, and I think this will be the first of what will be a number of things we see Obama do in this vein to both teach people about the problems and create a climate to get past just the finger-pointing and come together to solve problems."

Steve Holland of Reuters likened the session to "a polite version of British 'question time' in which the prime minister engages in back-and-forth with members of parliament."

Liz Sidoti of the Associated Press called Obama the "facilitator in chief" and wrote that he "showed his hand as both a policy wonk and a gracious host — to allies and adversaries alike.

"Easygoing though always in charge, Obama melded serious talk about ways to control the exploding federal deficit with frequent doses of humor and familiarity. That mix provided moments of levity that defused what could have been a tense session of finger-pointing between Republicans and Democrats on a painfully dry subject — fiscal policy."

The rest: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/white-house-watch/2009/02/obamas_radical_new_discourse.html
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:05 PM
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1. I loved this idea. Obama is still community-organizing, but
on a much grander scale. I hope he holds many more of these summits, and am happy it was so well received.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:12 PM
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6. Indeed. It amazes me that so many "pundits" are unfamiliar with facilitator skills.
His approach is TEXTBOOK working group facilitation -- the fundamental skill set of a decent community organizer. It's clear to any experienced individual who has read his books, as well. As a 'retiree' who spent many years in the "belly of the (corporate) beast" and who focused on the 'win-win' tactics of working group facilitization, I admire Obama's extraordinary diligence and adherence to the principles of leadership in forming coherent work groups on such a grand scale.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:06 PM
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8. Thanks, T-nut!
What you just wrote opens up another new way to think of Obama for me. An area I am only slightly familiar with - that is, the qualities that the leader of working groups needs to get the group to work.

I will watch him with this in mind and see what I can learn.


:hi:
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:23 PM
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17. Yes!
I said to my spouse some time ago - first he organized neighborhoods, then his district and state, and now the US...next...the world!

We can only hope!

He is a phenom. He will go down in history. We are very fortunate to be witness to this. Call me a sap - I DON'T CARE! More koolaid please...the good kind!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:06 PM
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2. That wasn't socialism, it was fluent English and appropriate social behavior.
Edited on Tue Feb-24-09 01:10 PM by EFerrari
lol
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:10 PM
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3. For Such An Important Forum...I Only Saw Snippets
did anyone air the entire thing?

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:13 PM
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7. MSNBC aired a whole lot of it
MSNBC.com or CSPAN.org may have the whol vid.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 04:35 PM
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20. Wow, Where Was I - Thanks
must have been when the Qwest guy was here.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:10 PM
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4. Makes it tough on the Republicans. They operate better in a vaccum.
Or in home territory. Dialogue requires thought, consideration, and temperance.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:11 PM
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9. That's weird!
I just wrote the following on another thread at almost the same time us you, byronius:

"so much (but not all IMHO) of Conservative thought can only stand in a vacuum. Specifically a media vacuum".

Great minds...........:thumbsup:
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:43 PM
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18. Jinx!
Who's that in your avatar?
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 11:32 PM
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24. Cannonball Adderly.
For me, the greatest musician that ever lived.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 02:09 AM
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25. I have heard of him, but have never seen a picture.
Edited on Wed Feb-25-09 02:09 AM by byronius
The guy I write music with will appreciate it severely.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:21 PM
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10. the repubs have a choice to make
Either they respond to being treated with with respect by returning the favor, and thereby get included in and get credit for Obama's solutions, or else they respond by cutting themselves off from all that and remain the champions of their pitiful rightwing fringe groups. The ones who are being scared and brainwashed every day by the rightwing media, which is telling their flock that Obama is both a Socialist and like another Hitler at the same time. :crazy:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:11 PM
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5. He looks like a constitutional professor...
Oh! That's what he is! :-)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:39 PM
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12. Yes.He.Is. -- how wonderful to have a President with a brain
Edited on Tue Feb-24-09 02:39 PM by goclark
and the ability to be open in his abilty to talk with all people.

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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:37 PM
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11. Here's what makes this move so effective:
Edited on Tue Feb-24-09 02:38 PM by DFW
Obama is telling his political adversaries--IN A TELEVISED PUBLIC FORUM--"Do you have
a better idea? Let's hear it. I'm listening and so is all of America."

The most effective, polite, and unavoidable "put up or shut up" a president has ever made
to his opposition. No Sunday talk show, where the radical right just complains and is never
challenged by their media allies to offer their own solutions. Obama told them to their
faces, "tell us how you would do it better, right here and right now while the whole
country is watching and listening."

No wonder his ratings are so high. The Republicans have nothing to offer, and their only
hope of tearing Obama down was keeping that from the public as long as possible. Obama is
now robbing them of that.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:54 PM
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13. Wow. Didn't they say Obama was a marxist terrorist a couple months ago?
Oh wait, I meant Marxist, Islamic, terrorist. We all know how well Marx and Islam go together after all, with Marx calling religion the opiate of the masses and Islamic leaders calling for death to anyone who offends their religion.

I would've sworn I saw that one guy (McCain) addressing a mob which was screaming that Obama was a terrorist and calling for killing him. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that McCain can now treat him differently, seeing as how Ghadaffi murdered a couple hundred Americans and we are now making oil deals with him. But that took 15 years or so. Those mob scenes were just a few months ago.

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:07 PM
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14. He's a unique guy
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:12 PM
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15. Kick. (nt)
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:17 PM
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16. This is a showcase example of the difference between the Parties.
Democrats wish to Govern and Republicans want to Rule.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:54 PM
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19. I fully endorse movement in this direction...
The long-term consequences should affect more than just discourse.

As for the policy, however... sadly that's not a new model, yet. And it won't be until a few million of us are doing more than whining about it on the Internet but actually marching on DC.

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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 04:42 PM
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21. Excellent to see.
So many good points already made in the posts above. I'm astonished at how the pundits seem amazed that this can occur... as if they have no hand in the tone of their own shows, etc. /sigh
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 07:45 PM
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22. Even as a Pagan I roll my eyes at the "what's your sign?" hoohaa,
but that said, I see a lot of similarity in the way President/Facilitator Obama handled this meeting and how I, the perennial facilitator, handle things like this. We both have Leo personalities, the better part of it - the respectful, gracious but always in charge, personality. It's not a bully personality, just a comfortable, I'm in charge skin.

I'm fascinated by this new tactic of his. It could bear some amazing fruit.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 11:01 PM
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23. Why am I NOT surprised?
*wink*

I like this Professordent a whole lot!

isn't great to feel admiration for your President? Ahhhhhhhhhh :D
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 11:19 AM
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26. if that teach-in does not include a lesson on bush/cheney, inc corruption...
...and how to correct it, i'm cutting class.
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