Kansas rep proposes law making sonograms available to women seeking abortions

[proud2BlibKansan]

Kansas State Rep. Lance Kinzer, an Olathe Republican, is again pushing a bill stating that women be given the option of viewing a sonogram before they receive an abortion.

It's one of a few provisions in a bill that Kinzer said is designed to give women more objective information before they receive an abortion.

Several of these proposals were inserted into earlier legislation - most notably a bill vetoed last year by Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, a Democrat.

Kinzer said his approach this year is to craft a narrower bill designed to "find some common ground with folks who may not necessarily vote pro-life all the time," he said.

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/16767

[Wapsie B]

1. So when was the last time Lance was pregnant?

Amazing all these conservative males fixated on female anatomy.

[Kalyke]

2. You mean they don't have the option now?

I thought abortion providers always took a sonogram before initiating the procedure anyway. What? The woman can't ask to look?

(FWIW, 59 percent of all abortions are performed before eight (8) weeks of gestation; therefore, the woman would see a fluttering dot, at most)

[Sal Minella]

4. If only CongressCritters could give somewhere near as much attention to the whole living woman

as they give to the tiny dot in the uterus. But no, only the dot matters, never whether or not the woman can afford to raise a child for the next 16-18 years.

[leftyladyfrommo]

13. Have you ever read Anne Lamott?

I love her stuff - don't always agree with her but I love the way she writes.

She is a Jesus person but she is very pro choice. She has had abortions, doesn't apologize for it, and is very upfront about it. That really takes a lot of courage.

And I love her dreadlocks.

[Sal Minella]

27. Just added to my reading list after looking her up in Wiki.

quote from Wiki:
============================
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." (Traveling Mercies; although on page 22 of Bird by Bird she attributes this quote to "my priest friend Tom")
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Sounds like my kind of writer, yes. Will start with her Salon articles.

[leftyladyfrommo]

36. I love her stuff. It is so down to earth.

She is a lot more churchy than I am but it really doesn't matter one bit that you don't agree with her. Her stuff is still really fun to read.

She has kind of a big cult following, I think. And the right wing would hate her. She is a real feminist in the truest sense of the word.

[leftyladyfrommo]

3. Boy does that sound like Kansas. Is Kline the silent partner in that

debate.

I wish these guys would just leave women alone. They can make their own decisions just fine, thank you very much. They don't need male imput.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. Phillll is in Virginia

teaching Law at Liberty University :)

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. Poor, poor them.

At least he is gone from around here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. The Star posted his blog on their website last week

I did a :wtf:

He is GONE but I guess they want to make sure he isn't forgotten.

[sutz12]

5. Red herring alert....

I believe the first attempt was to force the woman to view the sonogram.

It would seem that the "option" would always be there, unless the insurer or provider denied it, in which case they should be forced to provide it on demand at no cost.

This whole "finding common ground with folks who may not...vote pro-life" crap sounds like stealth talk to me. When did the fundies ever voluntarily compromise anything?

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. Bingo

My thoughts exactly.

[leftyladyfrommo]

9. People never compromise on the abortion issue.

Its impossible to even have any kind of discussion with them. They just start yelling and that is the end of that.

[EFerrari]

11. This is probably an attempt to get federal funding for those pregnancy "counseling" centers

that brow beat young women into having babies.

[leftyladyfrommo]

14. Yea. Isn't that sickening.

[KamaAina]

29. Or as we used to call them, fake clinics.

:puke:

[EFerrari]

30. Yes, fake clinics that tell women abortions cause insanity. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. Our anti-choice folks are very dedicated here in Kansass

:puke:

[EFerrari]

32. These fake clinics are in red areas all over the country. They're a thriving industry.

:puke:

[KansDem]

10. Wouldn't this be an "unfunded mandate?"

I thought Repubs were against "unfunded mandates."

The legislation would require:

* That women be given the opportunity to see a sonogram of the fetus, hear its heartbeat and get a copy of the sonogram if they choose.

* That abortion clinics distribute a list of where women can get pregnancy counseling and care/counseling for medically challenging pregnancies.

* That the state create an informational video and website showing fetal development.

* That abortion clinics post signs telling women that coerced abortions are against the law.

How are they going to pay for these?

[baldguy]

12. How about as part of a comprehensive health care package?

Along with child care programs for single parents? Education credits? Food assistance? Mass transit?

And if they're really "pro-life", maybe they should get rid of the death penalty.

[Blue_In_AK]

15. He must have been swayed by "Juno"

"It has FINGERNAILS?"

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. That is SUCH a great movie

[leftyladyfrommo]

20. I tried to watch it and couldn't. I was bored to death.

And I thought that girl was one of the oddest things I had ever seen.

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Oh it's great

Saw it in the theater and then again on HBO a week or so ago. The music in it is good too.

[Blue_In_AK]

21. I agree.

I liked it much more than I thought I would.

[Iggo]

28. "All babies wanna get bornd"

Aw, how cute.

[Lars39]

16. Southern Baptist's Psalm 139 Project:

http://psalm139project.org/

[Still Sensible]

19. I would be surprised if any doctor,

when faced with that request today,would refuse. This is just fundies trying to throw up a roadblock. Business as usual.

[leftyladyfrommo]

22. They try to throw a lot of roadblocks in Kansas.

Its just an ongoing thing with them. Abortion and Creationism. Two of their favorites.

[MuseRider]

24. Of course it is Lance.

What a jerk. I want him out so badly. He does provide comic relief but people suffer when he opens his pie hole. I believe a sonogram is available to everyone is it not? Why would he word it this way? There is no reason for this. There is something coming next that would correct that wording to say that they MUST view a sonogram. I wish he would dry up and blow away. He is the puss in the boil of the Kansas RW.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. The puss in the boil!

:rofl:

[ogneopasno]

25. "Option."

[RayOfHope]

26. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a sonogram must be done anyway

so the location of the embryo can be determined. I am completely against forcing a woman to look at it.

[leftyladyfrommo]

37. I would think only if a person was farther along in the pregnancy.

Things may have changed but they didn't do one back when I was young enough to be concerned with such things.

[Luna_C_06]

33. What would be the

female equivalent to telling this guy to suck it?

[soccermomforobama]

34. There is State Republican in Texas who wants it mandatory

that women receive a sonogram before an abortion.
http://www.keyetv.com/content/news/topnews/story/Texas-bill-would-force-woman-to-see-ultrasound-of/zLbCIHlcWkmt9Z4F8lKJcg.cspx

[area51]

38. Since Kinzer is so worried about life getting extinguished,

maybe he should get off his fscking ass and fight for single-payer healthcare, to keep 273 people from dying in the U.S. every day because we don't have a right to healthcare. So-called "pro-lifers" are not in the least bit concerned about life.