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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:37 AM
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A word about the "Single Issue Mosh Pit" system...
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 01:47 AM by TygrBright
I don't often pull out my "oldest inhabitant" chops and dust them off to prop up the ol' soapbox. (For one thing, I'm not sure but what there aren't one or two oldsters tottering about who signed on a day or two before me. But anyway.)

Back when we used to have to chain our own hamsters to little wheels to run the Intertubes, tramp fourteen and a half miles to school and back uphill both ways in a howling blizzard AND a hurricane, DU used to have just one big, happy Discussion Forum.

Yup, just one.

("Wow, really, Grannie? Tell us all about it!" --Surreptitiously pulling out the Wii controller and pretending to pay attention while playing "World of Goo"--)

You kids don't know how lucky you are to have topic forums. INCLUDING, and let me be very clear about this,

Single-Issue Mosh Pits

There are a couple of topics upon which gigatherms of heat simply canNOT be converted into any kind of light, not even a feeble, flickering, primitive one-LED VHS player power telltale.

In these areas, every argument has been made here on DU a MINIMUM (I am not making this up, nor exaggerating, I promise) of 7,326 times. EVERY argument. And the number of times those arguments have actually been effective in altering the viewpoint or position of anyone who holds a contrary viewpoint or opinion?

Zero.

Seriously.

I promise.

"But, but, but... new stuff happens all the time! What about breaking news! What about startling new developments!!"

On these particular topics, A) There is NO such thing as 'news' because the SAME SHIT KEEPS HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Only the names, dates, and geographic coordinates ever change, and not by much; and B) Even on the vanishingly rare occasions upon which some previously unheard-of or unimaginable event occurs in relation to the topic, THE SAME ARGUMENTS STILL GET ENDLESSLY RECYCLED and with the exact same effectiveness in changing anyone's mind.

And when the forums for people for whom these topics are not of primary, critical interest get hundreds and hundreds of posts over the course of a few days on one of these topics, people for whom these topics are not of primary, critical interest start getting cranky. The tone of overall discourse and discussion on DU passes the S-bend, people start leaving, a spiral of posts bitching about people bitching about people bitching about too many posts, flame wars, etc., on the topic starts escalating, granite pizzas start whizzing around and being a hazard to navigation, and the whole function of the site generally gets degraded.

Many years ago, the Admins in their semi-infinite wisdom noticed this and a protracted debate occurred about How To Handle It With The Least Infringement On User Enjoyment.

Thus were born the Single-Issue Mosh Pits.

Interestingly enough, they worked so well that even some people interested in more focused discussion on issues and topics that rarely generated flame wars asked for their very own Single-Issue Coffee Bars, and a whole new system of Discussion Board organization was born and grew and became the DU we know and love and gripe endlessly about today.

And I, for one, am glad of it.

Praise the Mods!

All hail the glorious Admins!

sycophantically,
Bright

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:43 AM
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1. Best yet - "sycophantically"
:rofl:

Very good point, tygrBright. These arguments have been argued, made, decided, action taken!

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:46 AM
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2. I think forums are a great way to ORGANIZE discussion....
And currently, the basic rules governing the form and topics of discussion are essentially the same in all the topic forums, except the I/P forum. As a result, discussions moved to I/P from less appropriate origins are usually arbitrarily deleted, not necessarily because they lack merit, or because they violate the normal civility rules, but because they cross boundaries that are open in every other forum on DU. That is especially true of the prohibitions against original posts and against inclusion of photographs in posts-- those rules alone doom most I/P discussion sent "to the dungeon."
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:11 AM
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3. There ought to be a mosh pit for complaining about complaining about complaining...
A place so deeply buried that it becomes impossible to climb out of; a hall of endless mirrors so deep one can hardly tell which side of the mirror one is standing on. A gun dungeon for the gun dugeon's gun dugeon, a recursive Palestine, an alternate universe where Hillary Clinton is the President elect, and gay people never get hurt or angry, only motivated.

It would be a place of affluent happy white people with conservative family values...

Welcome to Saddleback Church. Jesus® loves you!*

*Well, some of you not so much...



Because God is watching you!


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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:13 AM
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4. Sycophantically, 5th Rec. Wish I'd been here in the Olden Days, Grannie!
I also wish certain topics (2 of them) would get hence to their own mosh pits, but I won't say which.

Hekate


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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:21 AM
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5. Maybe someday we'll get enough cash flow to buy some software...
...that will enable adding short-term mosh pits to the forums list 'on the fly' as it were.

There are always two or three topics or issues with a comparatively short shelf-life that seem to be endlessly dragged out into a painful cycle of reverberating redundancy for a few days at a time here on DU.

Some are even recurring (like w****t and s*****g for example.) But it would take too much of an investment in time and effort to re-train the hamsters every time one of them crops up.

regretfully,
Bright
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:49 AM
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11. Outrage of the Day! No mod action needed, just...
look for keywords and context and dump them into the Steel Cage Match forum.

Be warned though, there is the Fourth Corollary to Parkinson's law...

"The amount of time spent arguing over a point is in inverse ratio to the point's importance and the knowledge of the arguer."



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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:51 AM
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6. "tottering about"??
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:57 AM
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7. Nah, y'can't say "tottering" about IndyGreen...
She's been charging about with her lance leveled since day one!

I remember one time when she and I tag-teamed a troll-type rightie on the difference between "communism" and "socialism" over two or three days...

Funny, I didn't see him around after that...

reminiscently,
Bright
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:59 AM
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8. 'xactly
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 03:00 AM by TahitiNut
She's been a fav' of mine since the first time I lurked. I like feisty. :silly:

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:13 AM
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9. I wish more oldtimers would post tales from back in the day.
It would be really cool for the Inauguration. Sort of a full-circle celebration for DU.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:40 AM
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12. I remember the "countdown" for the 2000th member
:rofl:

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:23 AM
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10. Thank Mod(s) for SIMPs
I wallow mostly in those anyway.

Nicely written TB!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 11:11 AM
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13. These newfangled Hide Thread & Ignore features are the cat's meow!
ELAD FOR EMPEROR!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 11:18 AM
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 11:27 AM
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15. Grandma! Tell us another story!
;) :hi:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:22 PM
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16. If you are really that old, you would call them "slam pits".
:rofl:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:20 PM
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17. Snarf... I'll be your sycophant, TygrB.... so what happened to your
profile? 4,000 odd posts or so? Come now. Did the internet tubes stall on you?

I'm a Feb, 2001 registrant, but came here Jan, 2001 on Inauguration Day.... Pass the BenGay and you younguns "get outta my rocker!" ;)
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:08 PM
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18. Yeeeee-HAW!!! I finally started a thread that got a post from DU's MOST PROLIFIC poster....
....good ol' "Name Removed!"

I'm so honored. That guy/gal almost NEVER visits my threads.

heheheh... Pass the Metamucil, somebody.

senescently,
Bright
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 06:19 PM
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19. bttt!
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