K+R if you support the GLBT community, Gay Marriage, and Equal Rights for all.

[The Doctor.]

I have this crazy theory that every legitimate member of DU unabashedly supports equal rights for the GLBT community and abhors bigotry.

There are a few who are rightfully angry, but under the impression that disagreement with certain attitudes and actions indicates enmity. It is understandable that many people who have been treated as 2nd class citizens or worse will be on constant alert for vilification.

It is Christmas day. Regardless of whether or how we celebrate it, I'd like to take the opportunity to say that regardless of any disagreements I might have, I fully and completely support the GLBT community and Equal Rights without hesitation or reservation.

I think that today especially, it would be more than appropriate to reassure anyone and everyone that may have doubts, that DU is above all a place of goodwill towards the GLBT community.

So no matter what race, religion, sex, orientation, or age you are... if you support Gay Rights, K+R this thread.

Merry Christmas. :hi:

[dipsydoodle]

1. Sorted

:hi:

[ismnotwasm]

2. With pleasure

K&R

[StreetKnowledge]

3. Proudly K & R

The mere idea that religion should make anyone a second class citizen is gross. It's also a large part of the reason why I believe in God but have no use for organized religion.

[The Doctor.]

4. Hear hear.

Many of the very religious people I know are truly wonderful, caring people. It is not any type of religion, or even a lack thereof that makes anyone better or worse. What it boils down to is how we treat each-other... and not just our immediate family or friends, but all of humanity.

[Political Tiger]

5. K & R

:fistbump:

[Sebastian Doyle]

6. Fuck bigotry.

especially when it's done in the name of the "Prince of Peace".

[The Doctor.]

8. There are many of today's 'Christians',

Who would have Christ strung up for his 'radical leftist views' upon his return.

Thankfully, there are a fair number of real Christians who've been standing up to injustice. They're just not as loud and noticeable.

Here's one of my fav's from Nance;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3595270

[Aristus]

7. K&R!

Equal treatment for EVERYONE under law!

[Night_Nurse]

9. Proudly K&R!

[foxfeet]

10. K&R

:kick:

[JohnnieGordon]

11. Poll in GD-P showed 70% think Warren pick was a "stupid blunder"

That was more than I would've guessed. So the defenders of the Warren pick are a clear minority.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8031338

[The Doctor.]

12. Consider also...

That even those who are optimistic that Obama is acting on a strategy, and defending the pick, are not defending Warren.

In fact I haven't seen anyone actually defend the man, even though defense of his selection has been misconstrued, sometimes deliberately, as defense of the man himself.

That is one of the fundamental misunderstandings in all of this mess.

[JohnnieGordon]

14. I carefully worded it so that confusion wasn't made

I said those who "defend the Warren pick." And actually I have seen lots of people defending Warren. He has a false image as a moderate that many people believe is true.

[The Doctor.]

17. Oh, I know.

I have seen a few people try to point out that he does 'good works', but I think under closer scrutiny, even most of those folks would agree that Warren is ultimately an ass.

[yardwork]

20. Please consider, too, that many GLBTQ views on this are also being misconstrued.

I'm disappointed that Obama chose to elevate Warren in this way but I don't agree with a number of other positions that are being assigned to me by some, including:

1. I don't think that Obama will or should rescind his invitation to Warren. Once the invitation was made it was too late to take it back. You won't see any posts from me insisting that Obama take back the invitation.

2. I haven't "thrown Obama under the bus," I haven't "written him off," I haven't "decided that his presidency is a failure" or anything like that. I have said that I'm not going to defend Obama for a while. I've been defending his candidacy, positions, and decisions non-stop for six months, I've sent him money, I've voted for him twice. I'm glad that he was elected and I'll continue to be glad that he was elected but right now I'm not going to be diving into threads defending his every word and action for a while. Let other folks do that. I'll wait. He doesn't need my money right now for all his inaugural balls. Obama is enjoying enormous popularity and support. I'm sending money to relief organizations that feed the hungry and fight for equal rights in the courts. If this means to some that I've "thrown Obama under the bus," then they are hysterical. That's their problem.

3. I don't think that Obama is a racist, homophobe, or bigot. I've never posted that and I don't believe it. I do note that Obama has - three times now - elevated and honored public figures who are homophobic bigots. I haven't seen Obama elevate and honor racist bigots. It's only homophobic bigots who get this public approval from Obama. That bothers me. No question - it bothers me. I'm watching and waiting to see what it means.

4. I don't think that "gay rights" are the only problem facing the United States. I do, however, think that equal rights for all people should be a foundational value that 100% of progressives should support without question. I believe that a country that is willing to deny rights to a minority group is going to have trouble solving all it's other problems. In fact, I think that all our other problems arise from the willingness of too many Americans to ignore basic human rights.

I can only speak for myself, but I've seen numerous other posts form GLBTQ posters here that say the same thing.

Let's make a deal. I won't paint "all of DU" or "all straight people" with a broad brush if you won't paint "all GLBTQ" with the same brush. Deal?

[The Doctor.]

21. Never did, never would...

So I suppose it's a deal.

I recognize how awful this pick was, and the outrage is quite justified. I know that it's only a handful of folks whose anger has gotten the better of them.

I have little doubt that 100% of DU supports equal rights.

I even put it to the test here.

Edit; Duh... same thread.

[yardwork]

73. I know! You haven't and neither have 99% or more of DUers.

Unfortunately, the angry words of a very few have been taken as characterizing all of DU and that's just wrong. I appreciate this thread! Thanks!

[The Doctor.]

101. Like cool rain in the desert are your words.

And I hope you know that I've always enjoyed your stuff. :)

We are among friends... who tend to come to blows sometimes. :evilgrin:

[yardwork]

128. You are very kind. Best of the season to you!

[Fire1]

36. Done and recommended. Merry Christmas

[DutchLiberal]

86. What does the Q stand for?

[Terran]

89. "questioning"

I had to ask that myself a few months back, and I'm gay myself (I date back to when it was just "GLB"). :hi:

[yardwork]

127. Queer or Questioning.

Some of us are taking back the term "queer."

[zipplewrath]

113. I don't think they've "thrown him under the bus".

My concern, is much like Clinton, he's thrown them under the bus, and this is only the first of many times.

[Creideiki]

131. The second has already happened

DADT is off the table. Maybe in 2010. Until then, gay servicemembers have to keep lying.

[TahitiNut]

195. As always...

... we have far, far more in common than not. To live is to suffer. As individuals, we suffer under the illusion of separation and make it worse by magnifying division by the delusion of 'type.'

[Shiver]

13. Kickety-rec!

:headbang:

[jwirr]

15. K & R

[Luminous Animal]

16. K&R

[Swamp Rat]

18. "Tagwa!"

"Mmmmm.... Cha too ma laya conky, ya neema loka nyan.... heheheheh!"

[The Doctor.]

27. ....

:spray: :rofl: :rofl: :spray:

[Karenina]

45. Frohes Fest und Guten Rutsch!

:hi::loveya::hi:

[roguevalley]

19. boy, was this ever easy. KIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCK and R. :-D

[yowzayowzayowza]

22. Present. n/t

[Trillo]

23. Of course. K&R n/t

[stillcool]

24. let it be...soon

[pleah]

25. K&R

Merry Christmas! :hi:

[Oak2004]

26. k&r nt

[roody]

28. k & r: marriage rights and wrongs for all

[Dragonbreathp9d]

29. K&R

[NJmaverick]

30. Whole Heartedly kick and return!!!!

[many a good man]

31. No doubt about it

Its a shame this country is so back-asswards!
:kick:

[frebrd]

32. K&R!

[Orangepeel]

33. of course.

[Morning Dew]

34. K&R

nm

[mzteris]

35. k&r

for my GLBT loved ones, friends, and acquaintances.

:kick:

[ColbertWatcher]

37. My humble kick and rec. n/t

[The Doctor.]

50. Bless ya'.

I've been paying attention, and despite being someone with every right to be outraged (as we all should be), you've managed not to let it consume you.

I won't forget that anytime soon.

[tbyg52]

38. K&R, of course! nt

[Omaha Steve]

39. K&R

Labor has a GLBT group by the way.

http://prideatwork.org/page.php?id=5

[BattyDem]

40. Proud to K&R!

:hi:

[grannylib]

41. Happily! Please check out my DU journal for my feelings on this

issue :-)

[mnhtnbb]

42. Absolutely.

[XanaDUer]

43. Straight white female here

K & R'd

[countingbluecars]

44. K&R

[sofa king]

46. Yes!

Keep the faith my friends. Only forty-one years ago, Loving v. Virginia overturned the last of America's miscegenation laws, including the Virginia law against mixed-race marriages which can be traced back to 1691.

Today, the idea that people of mixed "race" (whatever the hell that is anyway) cannot be permitted to marry is widely considered to be absurd. Hopefully, it won't take another forty to fix this awful situation.

(Edit: you know, this is neither the place nor time to be a dick. Forget I said what I just erased.)

I think that in another forty years this past decade will be viewed as a dark and ignorant time. Take solace in that fact, that we who support equality are the visionaries of our time, the bright lights who defiantly shine in spite of the shroud of American foolishness and resistance to change.

And while we're at it, happy birthday, Sir Isaac Newton.

[The Doctor.]

48. Well if I didn't just stand up and say "HALELLUJA!"

Can I GET an 'A-MEN!' brother!

Oh, and don't forget to yank the tax-exempt status of any church that gets into the political fray.

[eomer]

47. !

[defendandprotect]

49. Nice idea --- and ABSOLUTELY ...Equal Rights for All ---

Gay rights, gay marriage and gays as full members of our communities,

enriching our lives.

[Warren Stupidity]

51. normally I ignore rec this thread threads: not now

[ThatsMyBarack]

52. Always have, always will!

:hug:

[Honest_Abe]

53. K&R

Absolutely.

[lavndrblue]

54. Thank You!

Merry Christmas Dr.

[UrbScotty]

55. Kickety kickety kick!

[sgsmith]

56. Oh if it was only so....

No, the Democratic Party does not support the GLBT community or equal rights for GLBT.
No, Democratic Underground does not support the GLBT community or equal rights for GLBT.

If you want proof, look back through threads where the fully enclusive ENDA was withdrawn for consideration by Barney Frank and the Democratic structure. It was re-introduced without the provisions for protections for the T portion of GLBT. Lots of folks on this very board heralded the change, and didn't give a rats ass that the Ts had been "thrown under the bus". After all - the gays are what's important and once we get ours, we'll try to get yours. Sometime. Maybe. Whenever.

I was in the room when Joe Solmonese of Human Rights Campaign promised the attendees of Southern Comfort that HRC would only support a fully inclusive version of ENDA. Sadly, that promised evaporated just like smoke does in the back room where the deals are made.

Unfortunately, nobody really supports GLBT except for the GLBT folks themselves, and even then only to a "I want mine" degree.

[Steerpike_Denver]

57. Kick, sure

I wouldn't dare to be one of the ones who refused to recommend such a bold and controversial position here, of all places. I guess the other 134,195 members of DU must be secret homophobes, who don't support equal rights for the GLBT community.

And everyone else must (gasp) disagree with equality and equal rights "without hesitation or reservation"

You sure showed that nasty old strawman.

[Lisa0825]

58. K&R

:kick:

[Starry Messenger]

59. k & r

[pacalo]

60. Equal rights for ALL people. Yes, indeed.

And Merry Christmas to all!

:hi:

[Individualist]

61. K&R

[Pastiche423]

62. K&R!

I support them today and everyday!

[katandmoon]

63. K&R

[grantcart]

64. we are united by great principle and divided by small detail

[The Doctor.]

117. Oh.... I'm SO stealing that.

Thanks!

[lwcon]

65. K&R

http://vastleft.blogspot.com/2006/06/let-love-rule_04.html

[beac]

66. K&R!

[RetroLounge]

67. Absolutely

K&R

:hi:

RL

[alfredo]

68. Que

[sweetroxie]

69. k & r

[ZombieHorde]

70. I will rec., but I will not kick.

[RobertDevereaux]

71. Avec plaisir!

[Rob H.]

72. Happy to oblige

:)

[lightningandsnow]

74. Enthusiastically K&R'd!

:)

[kdpeters]

75. K+R

[Mithreal]

76. K & R

[LWolf]

77. K & R nt

[ropi]

78. k & r

[Dragonfli]

79. K&R

[Skittles]

80. HERE

yes INDEED

[Jester Messiah]

81. I absolutely and wholeheartedly do.

Without qualification of any sort. I wish a festive yuletide to all.

[Name removed]

82. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

83. K&R

And I apologize if anything I've said has led anyone to think otherwise.

Merry Holidays to all...and I mean ALL.

[blueraven95]

84. happy to!

I hope this next year brings us much closer to equality for all.

[DutchLiberal]

85. May American's GLBT's community soon enjoy the rights granted to them in Holland!

Here's to this, from the country which pioneered in gay marriage! May the Warren's of today soon belong to the past!

[The Doctor.]

168. I think that's one of the things they are most terrified of....

The so-called 'moral' folks, that is.

They're afraid that after a few years of gay marriage, we'll all see that no one spontaneously combusted and Nazis weren't riding dinosaurs in the street.

[DutchLiberal]

169. Seriously! Whenever they start the bullshit again about a 'slippery slope'...

...to bestiality and marrying yur brother or sister etc., just ask them why none of that ever happened in Holland. Or Belgium. Or Canada. Or Spain. (Deeply Catholic country, by the way!) Or South-Africa. An third-world nation beat the US to it!

[salin]

87. K & R

united we stand...

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

88. K&R!

[Patsy Stone]

90. K&R!

[Octafish]

91. K&R for ALL.

We all are human beings, equal under the law and each deserving of respect -- no matter what.

Simple idea, universal among the enlightened: Treat others like you would like to be treated.

Merry Christmas to You and Yours, Dr_eldritch! Happy New Year!

[LibertyorDeath]

92. without hesitation or reservation!

I like that phrase

K&R!!

[w8liftinglady]

93. I am 100% in favor of gay rights...it SHOULD be irrelevant,IMHO

Gay or straight...no difference.

[The Doctor.]

97. Hear hear.

It really is that simple. Every adult in the world should live by the rule 'an ye harm none, do as ye will'. But there are those that will find harm where it is not. It is almost always out of some form of insecurity that people decide they must interfere with the rights of others.

Sad, really. One day, I promise that humanity will evolve past such pettiness. It must, for the alternative is oblivion.

[earth mom]

94. K & R! nt

[mntleo2]

95. To my gay brothers and sisters

...while I am not gay myself, I want you to know I am by your side and support with my whole heart your equality. In marriage. In work. In just being able to live a good life. I will take to the streets with you to show solidarity. Hearts to you!

Love
Cat In Seattle

[leftstreet]

96. K&R

[tnlefty]

98. Happy Holidays!!

:hug:

[Sabriel]

99. Of course! n/t

[Mister Ed]

100. oK! and R!

[Kurovski]

102. K&R.

And I promise that I'll never marry my dog.

[Deep13]

103. Okay.

For all the good it will do.

[Peacetrain]

104. K & R.

[donheld]

105. Yes I do

[Chipper Chat]

106. K&R

END BIGOTRY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[satya]

107. Love trumps hate. Merry Christmas!

:grouphug:

[theFrankFactor]

108. Fu*kin' A Yes!

[gratefultobelib]

109. Yes, I do.

[Buzz Clik]

110. k&r

[xenussister]

111. Oh yes

I'm fighting the fight at another message board. Not here, sigh, because I'm too new and might be labeled a troll, but I'm with you 100% and I'm horrified at the insensitivity Obama and people all around are showing toward your pain.

Straight woman here, married for 27 years, and gay marriage doesn't hurt mine one bit!

[Patchuli]

112. Yep!! K&R

with pride and love! And Merry Christmas all! :grouphug:

[peacetalksforall]

114. kick rec rights

[closeupready]

115. K & R

K & R

[dweller]

116. K&R

no matter what race, religion, gender, orientation, or age i am... i support all human Rights

no distinctions
dp

[Lugnut]

118. K&R

:fistbump:

[DeSwiss]

119. K&R

[NanceGreggs]

120. K'd & R'd!!!

:kick:

[TexasObserver]

121. K+R

[Brucie Kibbutz]

122. K&R

[babydollhead]

123. kick

[asthmaticeog]

124. Absolutely K&R

It's real simple - if someone's not unequivocally for equality without exception, then that individual is at least tacitly if not actively in favor of maintaining a second, lower class of citizenship and is therefore a piece of shit bigot. Pretty cut and dried, isn't it?

[bullwinkle428]

125. K&R!

[ClayZ]

126. K and R

[chill_wind]

129. Equal rights for all. Yes. K & R.

eom

[wiley]

130. Any unmarried couple, any gay couple

and of course every single person in the GLBT family - of which we are all a part - deserves their rights.

[D23MIURG23]

132. K&R

[girl gone mad]

133. 100%

Equal rights for all.

[Heidi]

134. K + R. for human rights.

:kick:

[AntiFascist]

135. K&R, thank you...

This is greatly appreciated and I'm sure that most of us realize that it is far greater to have allies than to create divisions.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

[enigmatic]

136. .

[orleans]

137. of course K&R n/t

[byronius]

138. Ooooo, I'm Two Hundred!!!

Right on!

[caseycoon]

139. Absolutely! K&R n/t

[blogslut]

140. K&R

[Lerkfish]

141. absolutely. always have.

and I also think the GLBT has a right to feel however they want to feel about the Warren pick.

[DainBramaged]

142. It's a given, as long as Christians (NOT Fundofascists) are not blamed for this mess

[lamp_shade]

143. K & R

[Norrin Radd]

144. kr

[WillyT]

145. Big K & R !!!

:kick:

[gollygee]

146. K&R

:hi:

[immoderate]

147. K&R

I support human rights and equal rights for all.

--IMM

[Dystopian]

148. KandR. Peace. Justice. Love. n/t

peace~

[HamdenRice]

149. Agreed! Now let's think strategically how to get there! nt

[Mad_Dem_X]

150. Equal rights for ALL!

[Hope And Change]

151. K & R!

[Mabus]

152. I can support this with no hesitation

Here's my K&R

[Richd506]

153. K & R

But I still like Obama

[NightHawk63]

154. K'd and HIGHLY R'd n/t

[Mnemosyne]

155. Support for equal rights found here. n/t

[yellerpup]

156. I do, I do!

Unabashedly! K&R. :kick:

[KansDem]

157. It's in the Bill of Rights...

This straight father of two wants to ask, "Just what about 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' do the Prop. 8 folks not understand?"

K&R!!!

[Better Believe It]

158. K & R You got it!

[greatauntoftriplets]

159. Recommended.

[Atman]

160. K&R (with a minor caveat)

Proudly. (Although I'm not so sure about the "...B..." part. Many DUers I've read still have a problem with bisexuality, claiming it's just a cop-out and a refusal to make a commitment. So, while I certainly support the sub line as you present it, even on DU we have a ways to go.

.

[rosesaylavee]

161. Unabashed supporter here

:hi:

And I think Obama will address the GLBT civil rights issues sooner than many here think because I still think he's a thoughtful, decent person who will do the right thing.

[merh]

162. k&r

:kick:

[IdaBriggs]

163. Proudly! k/r nt

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

164. thank you

[Kajsa]

165. K & R.

and Merry Christmas to you, Dr. Eldritch!

:hi:

[CrownPrinceBandar]

166. Kicky for equal rights...........

[nashville_brook]

167. kickee!

[Lebam in LA]

170. K & R

Happy New Year to all

[FloridaJudy]

171. Peace on Earth

Good will to all.

[dickthegrouch]

172. And a rec

[Pacifist Patriot]

173. K & R

[sallyseven]

174. K & R please.

[solara]

175. I support the GLBT Community, Gay rights and Equal Rights with all my heart!

Merry Christmas.. Happy Holidays.... Happy Hannukah... Merry Meet... Happy Yule... Happy Solstice


Love is alive!

:hi:

[Chorophyll]

176. I'd be glad to!

Oops. Too late to rec, but here's a kick.

:kick:

[mt13]

177. K&R! n/t

[Joey Liberal]

178. It's my pleasure! nt

[concerned canadian]

179. K&R , naturally

[Number23]

180. kick!

:dem:

[iandhr]

181. K&R

[earcandle]

182. K+R

What peeps do in their bedroom is a personal preference issue to me.
And marriage requires commitment and love, not gender conformance.
I am hoping this California supreme court will rule that no people can legislate human rights
and the right to marriage belongs to all of us.

Thanks for the request.

[Joe Bacon]

183. KICKED!

Twice married Dennis Praeger won't and Thrice married Newt won't, but I will!

[and-justice-for-all]

184. kick

[paulkienitz]

185. of course

I am one of those who said that it's probably kind of a good idea for Barack to throw a bone to the fundies, and we should just let the invocation go ahead instead of getting all us-vs-them over it. That doesn't mean I'm not 100% in favor of all rights for gays including marriage.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

186. In honor of great GLBT friends

past :cry: and present :-)

:kick:

[catrose]

187. Kkkkkkkkkkkk

since I can't R anymore

[MindMatter]

188. With each one of these goddamned posts, my support is going DOWN

For Chrissakes, give it a damn rest already.

I really want to support y'all but this is getting ridiculous. You act like this is the only important issue facing our country right now. I'm sorry to break it to you that this isn't at the top of the list.

[The Doctor.]

193. Oh, now that's just hilarious...

I've been 'teh guy' who's been suggesting that just because someone may not see prop H8 as the most important issue facing our nation doesn't mean they're a bigot or homophobe.

I started this thread to prove the point that DU supports the GLBT community. (There's a cleverly embedded hint in the OP... you should read it.)

Meanwhile, if a handful of angry people are enough to dissuade you from supporting equal rights, then maybe the issue is you, not them.

[Laurab]

189. Too late to recommend, but a kick for sure! nt

[27inCali]

190. HELL THE FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!

[s-cubed]

191. K & R for Andy and Ted, who never had a chance to marry.

[Blue_In_AK]

192. K&R emphatically.

[TahitiNut]

194. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

:shrug: Should go without saying.

[johnfunk]

196. K&R -- Happy Holidays

:kick: