The choice is Rick Warren is VERY important. (and wrong)

[demgurl]

I have heard many reasons, here, why Obama made the right or wrong choice. I understand that Obama was trying to reach out to fundies but please remember that it was either Rick Warren or no one at all. There are other right wing religious leaders out there. There are people who are not as controversial.

The really important thing about Obama choosing Rick Warren is that Rick may have been a part of the fringe before but not any more. Obama has so much credit with the world. He is seen as a good person who wants change. The GOP has been a divisive party. They look for things like gays to divide the country with hate. And by Obama picking Rick, he has now given a fringe lunatic credibility.

The point here is that it does not matter if Obama is reaching out or that Obama is a smarter man than we are. (both points I have read here today) The real point is there is too much hate in this world. We need as much love and compassion as possible. Obama could have chosen another religious leader to give this historic address but he chose not to. This choice legitimizes hate. This choice makes others take a step back and listen to what Rick has to say. This choice reinforces someone who represents hate. And that is why this choice is wrong.

[Buzz Clik]

1. You are the first one to post a thread about Warren since .... 12:16 EST.

Thanks for that. The count is now up around 1000.

That's one thousand threads dedicated to a very unimportant issue.

[SidDithers]

2. Unimportant to you, important to others....nt

Sid

[Buzz Clik]

6. Oh. That would explain the hundreds of threads.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Imagine if the energy put into this endless string of threads had been put into defeating Prop 8.

[newtothegame]

15. I would agree...

The same DU'ers that were spending their time posting pictures of crying African-Americans and telling cute stories of little old ladies who were SO excited to see a black president, instead of spending their time fighting Prop 8, are now the ones that can't quite figure out why we didn't get a liberal president.

[stillcool]

16. It was all the black people..

in California. I don't live in California, and while I'm sure it is my fault that Prop 8 passed I am not at all surprised that we didn't get a 'liberal' President, as I voted for a Democratic politician..unfortunately.

[Donnachaidh]

21. or how about the numerous "Obama is soooo sexy" postings

That many of the bots seemed to think were IMPORTANT enough to post ad nauseum during the primaries? Those folks weren't being told to STFU and GTFO.

[stillcool]

22. the 'bots'? You mean all those..

people with the 'messiah' complex, who drank the kool-aid? That were fool enough to believe he was a 'liberal' 'progressive'? Yeah..where was all the 'outrage' then? How dare they express their <gasp> opinions of the "Democratic" candidate they <gasp> "hoped" would be elected. Well..you tell all of them to STFU and GTFO right now!!

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

3. And yet you felt compelled to comment on it.

And be condescending at the same time.

[Buzz Clik]

7. How's your restraint working out for you?

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

9. I just call 'em like I see them.

If you don't like it, you can ignore me.

[Buzz Clik]

13. "If you don't like it, you can ignore me." You don't rank that high.

sorry

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

19. I'll try harder in the future.

[demgurl]

5. Whenever hate is spread or reinforced it is important.

I understand you may be tired of these threads. That is fine. I am sorry you are so offended that you feel you must respond in such a way.

Since it is this time of the year, let me share something with you. I guess you have heard the song "Let there Be peace On Earth". The next line is 'and let it begin with me'. This is a wonderful song that should encourage everyone to be an activist. It tells us not to sit out anything when we see things wrong with the world. We should never wait for someone else to act because then everyone ends up waiting with no one doing anything. When you see something wrong you set the example by getting off your behind and trying to do something about it.

I see an injustice and it greatly saddens me when people are saying the choice means nothing when it actually reinforces and lends credibility to someone who does not say nice things. I may not be gay but I do understand wanting to share your life with someone you love. I understand stopping love is a crime all onto itself.

I hope whatever made you respond the way you did heals quickly. Life is too short to live it any way but in happiness.

[Buzz Clik]

8. "I understand you may be tired of these threads." I doubt that you do.

[golddigger]

10. Nobody force you to post in it, did they? If it is such an unimportant issue...

why did you bother.

[Buzz Clik]

14. It's unimportant. I posted. I cannot undo the past.

[Truth Teller]

17. It's called flaming

Like you said, if he truly didn't care he never would have posted.

[Swamp Rat]

4. k&r

:kick:

[golddigger]

11. K&R n/t

[Mari333]

12. 'This choice legitimizes hate.'

amen. he might as well have asked Rush Limbaugh to lead the invocation.

[Leftest]

18. Bye to my support for Obama. I am not happy about it either.

Unfortunately as far as I am concerned this was the last straw from Obama for me to continue to support him and he hasn't even took office yet. He's going too much against his base. How sad and most unfortunate. I had high hopes for change.

• Flip flopping on his pledge to immediately withdraw troops from Iraq. Now he says he will continue to "refine" his Iraq policy.
  
  
• Voted for FISA/giving retro active immunity for violators even though he said he pledged to filibuster any bill which contained immunity.
  
  
• Flip flopping on his support for unilaterally renegotiating NAFTA. Now he says his words were "overheated & amplified".
  
  
• Flip flopping on taxes with respect to the rich and corporations. Now he's considering reducing corporate taxes despite having called corporate tax cuts "the exact wrong prescription for America" and not rolling back the taxes on the rich to where they were during the Clinton administration.
  
  
• Stuffing his cabinet with bigots and hawks.
  
  
• Supported the biggest robbery in history from the poor to the rich in their so-called bailout scheme.
  
  
• Flip flopping on nuclear power. He first said "I am not a nuclear energy proponent". Now he says "I don't think that we can take nuclear power off the table." Talking out both sides of his mouth if you ask me.
  
  
• Flip flopped on his pledge "to keep in place the moratorium here in Florida and around the country that prevents oil companies from drilling off Florida's coasts."

I am sorry folks. I know a lot of people here still love Obama, but, I don't support someone just because of their party affiliation. Actions is what counts with me. Oh well, maybe on some outside chance a miracle will happen in four years from now and Kucinich or someone like him will win.

[stillcool]

20. I think you are mis-informed ..

regarding your flip-flops, and I'm sure you are aware that Kucinich has flip-flopped on abortion rights. I wish you all the best in your search for a candidate to 'love'. As far as your 'high hopes', your hopes were obviously dashed before Obama even won the nomination.

[SidDithers]

23. Unilaterally renegotiating NAFTA?...

how the fuck is he gonna do that? And when Canada and Mexico say "fine, where you gonna get your oil from?", what'll be his response?

Sid

[Leftest]

24. I am just remembering what he said and passing it along.

He said what he said and its just another example of flip flopping. It displays what he really feels about the subject and it displays his insincerity.

During The primaries debates in Cleveland, OH, Obama did pledge to unilaterally renegotiate NAFTA.

NBC'S Tim Russert: "A simple question. Will you as president say to Canada and Mexico, this has not worked for us, we are out?"

OBAMA: "I will make sure that we renegotiate in the same way that Senator Clinton talked about, and I think actually Senator Clinton's answer on this one is right. I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced."

During the general election Obama back tracked and said his words were "Overheated And Amplified." During an interview with Fortune Magazine and after being reminded that he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake," Obama backed off his attacks on the free trade agreement and indicated he didn't want to unilaterally reopen negotiations on NAFTA. "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified."


Sorry, but, this is just one of several examples that's showing him to be someone who just said what he knew we wanted to hear at the time. Its becoming obvious that he's going to flip flop on most if not every point that is important to us.

[SidDithers]

26. Gotcha. Read your post too quckly the first time...

thanks for the clarification.

Sid

[Pastiche423]

25. I like what NOW said...

The National Organization For Women, is horrified at Obama's placement of Rick Warren in an all-important ceremony to launch this historic presidency.

The important part of the launch of this historic presidency that I will remember, is the Fuck You Obama will be saying to GBLT and Women's rights.

[AntiFascist]

27. There is a greater danger with Rick Warren than just hatred....

he is a key Dominionist, the successor to Billy Graham with a much more elitist agenda. He is instructing his following that the problems in the economy are due to the people themselves, and the fact that they have turned away from God's principles. Never mind the corruption in Washington, or the fact that the Treasury has been looted, we must look within to find the source of the problems and the problems lie within us.

Obama is quick to point out that we the people have the power to bring about change, and that it is up to us to change the way things are run, but Warren will be there to tell his ever-increasing flock and televised audience that it is our relationship with God which is responsible for the disastrous circumstances we find ourselves in presently.