Up to seven of the terrorists were Brits and may have come from Leeds and Bradford

[Dis Pater]

where London's July 7 bombers lived


Calm: One of the young gunmen with his weapon, looking for more victims. Indian authorities say two of the arrested militants were British-born Pakistanis

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1089711/Massacre-Mumbai-Up-SEVEN-gunmen-British-came-area-7-7-bombers.html

Two British-born Pakistanis were among eight gunmen seized by Indian commandos who stormed buildings to free hostages, Vilasrao Deshmukh, the chief minister of Mumbai, reportedly said.

The Foreign Office earlier said it was investigating reports on NDTV, a local television news channel, that the terrorists - who swarmed luxury hotels and other tourist sites in the city - included "British citizens of Pakistani origin".

The development came as Gordon Brown called for international co-ordination to combat terrorism in the wake of the attacks. He said: "We have got to look at how international action against terrorism can be improved."

On the claim that Britons could have been among the perpetrators, he said: "I would not want to be drawn into early conclusions about this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3533075/Mumbai-attack-British-men-among-the-terrorists-Bombay-India.html

[dubeskin]

1. Leeds?

So they LIVEd at Leeds?!



Joking though. I think it's important to point this out, because it just shows how it's an idealogy, and those people who insist that Iraq and Iran are important to destroying terrorism are wrong - it's all over the world, in every country and the idea will never die no matter how many people you kill.

[aquart]

2. Any chance you might give the terrorists the same advice?

BTW, what immortal "idea" are you actually talking about?

[dubeskin]

4. Ultimately an idea will live on

no matter how many people die. I'd give them the same advice as well, although it's not too often I meet a terrorist in the street to tell them.

And the "idea" I'm talking about it their belief that all western culture is evil essentially, or at least that's what I BELIEVE they're fighting against.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. There's no doubt it's an ideology and a faddish one which is spreading in Islam

seemingly like wildfire. The problem is that it's interwoven with Islamic religion.

Religion is a very dangerous thing.

[stillcool]

15. I don't know...

Religion is a great tool to use to get what you want from the little people. And the more oppressed those little people are the greater tool that religion is. I think of the people in this country that are so beaten down, yet can be worked up into a frenzy over damn near anything.

[malaise]

16. Or maybe it's a horrific response

to the slaughter of innocents in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Violence begets violence.
What religion explains the murder of over a million Iraqis and all the 'collateral damage' in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
No it's depraved men who create this madness. Bush and Blair will have to be sent to the Hague for the sake of humanity.

[Dis Pater]

17. I understand your outrage, but how does this action

offer any kind of retaliation for Iraq et al?

[Hanse]

5. British militants gunning down Indian civilians?

I've never heard of such a thing.

[JI7]

6. not just British but British Muslim

in the United States the Muslims, Hindus and others of Indian, Pakistan, south asian descent get along.

but that's not the case in the UK and other parts of Europe.

[FarCenter]

8. They used to wear their bright red coats whilst so doing

The Jallianwala Bagh Massacre, alternatively known as the Amritsar Massacre, was named after the Jallianwala Bagh (Garden) in the northern Indian city of Amritsar where, on April 13, 1919, British Indian Army soldiers under the command of Brigadier-General Reginald Dyer opened fire on an unarmed gathering of men, women and children. The firing lasted about 10 minutes and 1650 rounds were fired, or 33 rounds per soldier. Official British Raj sources placed the fatalities at 379. According to private sources there were over 1000 deaths, with more than 2000 wounded,<1> and Civil Surgeon Dr. Smith indicated that there were 1,526 casualties.<2>

Actually, these were Gurkha and Baluchi soldiers, but they were commanded by English officers.

[Historic NY]

10. And Americans too!!!!!!!!!!

[lib2DaBone]

7. Why does the news media keep calling them "Islamic Militants"?

They have already proved some were British Born and most belonged to the Laskar Terrorist group in Pakistan. (I dont think Lashkar is Islamic?) Once again, are there CIA fingerprints on this?
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The Indian media, citing unidentified police investigators, reported on Friday that three alleged attackers had confessed to being members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based group which aims to end Indian rule in Kashmir.

According to the Australian Government "The LeT first came to prominence in fighting against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan during the 1980s, reportedly with the assistance of the CIA and Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) service. The CIA is said to have withdrawn its support following the Soviet withdrawal, but the ISI is widely believed to have continued relations with the LeT.

But in order to enlist Pakistan's assistance in fighting terrorism, the Bush administration on September 22, 2001 asked Congress for blanket authority to wave economic sanctions against countries whose help is needed in the anti-terror coalition. Congress quickly granted a limited form of such authority. Four days later the International Monetary Fund, where the U.S. has the largest share of votes, approved a $135 million loan for Pakistan even though the country was in arrears on servicing its $37 billion national debt. The Treasury Department then announced it would ease terms on $379 million of Pakistan's debt to the Unite States, setting the stage for other nations to follow.

[PurityOfEssence]

18. Because that's what they seem to be

They went out of their way to kill Jews, too, now didn't they?

I'm tired of the sick bullshit that religion is somehow inherently "good" and that it shouldn't be blamed for the ugliness done in its name. Somehow the bad guys who act in the name of religion are just bad guys, and it's not religion's fault at all.

The major religions have major problems, and many of those can be described like this: they claim certainty of the workings of the universe, claim specialness for their members and demand to be above the laws of mere inferiors. Islam, with no built-in acceptance of secularity and only the merest veneer of tolerance of others, coupled with its arrogant self-proclaimed right to convert others, is an especially dangerous mindset. At least Christianity, for all it's uglinesses, has a concept of secularity built in.

Religion doesn't "play fair", so it has no right to expect immunity for its actions.

There's a religious component to this, isn't there? It's an Islamic religious component, isn't it? Therefore, to not identify the religion with the atrocity would be deception. Call it "Islamist" if you must, but this seems to be the raison d'etre.

[lib2DaBone]

19. Well, I agree. We could use less "religion" in the world.. it would be a better place

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. Yes, Lashkar is a religious group

Profile: Lashkar-e-Toiba

Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba (Soldiers of the Pure) is one of the most feared groups fighting against Indian control in Kashmir.
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The BBC's Zaffar Abbas in Islamabad says Lashkar-e-Toiba was formed soon after the birth of its parent religious organisation, Markaz Dawa ul Irshad in the late 1980s.

The Markaz (Centre for Preaching) was set up in the town of Muridke outside Lahore by a former professor of engineering at the University of Punjab, Hafiz Mohammed Saeed.

Spread over several hectares, the Markaz soon became known for preaching hardline views on Islam.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3181925.stm

[NOW tense]

9. Pakistani Govt?

[marybourg]

11. "British-born Pakistanis"?

Not "Britons of Pakistani decent?" Just asking. :shrug:

[Bucky]

12. Not a big surprise. Most of the 9/11 hijackers had lived in Europe.

These psycho culture warrior types can turn violent when immersed in segregated & ghettoized hate culture, like you find in Europe's middle eastern neighborhoods.

[Ilsa]

13. Uh-oh. Has W* warned Q Elizabeth to hand over the

terrorists or face a US invasion?

[dailykoff]

14. Nice that the Brits don't have to oursource their terra to the CIA anymore

although I'm sure we had a hand in this too.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

21. This is sad

Extremist fundamentalist Muslims are doing everything that they can to make the extermination of all Muslims a horrible necessity. Even the likes of Freepers do not engage in this sort of atrocity.