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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:02 AM Original message |
Marriage vs. Civil Unions |
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Antennas (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. It's still a matter of semantics. |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Even if you had all the rights and privileges that the state associates with marriage? |
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Antennas (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Equal, but seperate. |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. My proposal is that the state get out of the marriage business for everybody |
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Antennas (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. But there are churches that will marry homosexuals. |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Let them continue. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. I can just see the Religious Right up in arms because... |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. What's in a name? |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. True there is some resistance to Civil Unions |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. "Some"? |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. I think we should do as other countries do. State issued Civil Union, Religion issues wedding |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Right. THat's basically my proposal. |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. But you just lumped them back together. EVERYONE should be required to have a civil service at their |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
8. Yes. Here's an alternative proposition. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
9. Of course there's a problem....civil rights are not open to |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. My proposal basically allows that in a way that promotes social peace |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Very pragmatic but |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. You don't sound militant. You sound reasonable. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. I can tell you allowing marriaeg1 to be a "sacramental term" |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Gives everyone what they want? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
47. Can you explain why Florida just banned civil unions for gays? |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
13. Sounds very pragmatic but it probably will not be supported. |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You are right about the intent and probably about the resistance |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. I would tend to agree with you |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I take your point about solidarity |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Again, I agree with you but. |
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Connonym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
15. The perfect solution |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
16. Your plan fails at step one: "Let the Churches have the word 'marriage.'" |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. My plan involves a bit of linguistic reformation, that's for sure |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. SInce many churches will marry gay and lesbian couple it is still the same issue |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
20. I agree 100%...and I think detractors might be putting pride before practicality. |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Step by Step |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. You won't be using the same words for ALL couples. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:08 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. That's exactly my point. We need the same words for ALL couples. |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. And again you will be wrong... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Yes, and "they" would be happy if blacks were still picking cotton.. |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. If you don't care about the same rights... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. If you want to choose the steepest slope to climb, be my guest. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. But you're advicating for precisely the steepest slope. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
43. You can implement it. No one here is stopping you. NT |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
30. Fucking this bullshit again. This place is becoming Spam Underground. |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Seriously |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
38. So how come this perfect solution didn't work in Mexico, France and other countries. |
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cate94 (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
40. semantics, semantics and more semantics |
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RadicalTexan (607 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
41. I don't see how, constitutionally and reasonably speaking, "churches" and their wishes are relevant. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
42. If you think that's a good idea, go for it. I have seen nothing to indicate it is feasible, |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
46. Sorry, hon. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
48. I totally agree |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
49. Tell you what, the people keep marriage, and churches can have holy matrimony |
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