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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 02:41 PM Original message |
Poll question: Discussing the overwhelming proportion of African-American support for Prop. 8 is... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Where's the "both" option? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You bring up a good point, but I made the poll binary on purpose. |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. I think that's a fallacy |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. And, again. This poll does not have anything to do with blame. nt |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's a real issue, but far from the only one. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I agree. Black support for the measure was necessary but certainly not close to sufficient. nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. kick for votes. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. Blaming gays for the 2004 presidential loss... |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. if polls showed that we gays overwhelmingly voted for Bush |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The polls showed... |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. jonny, I would love to explain why |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Ask Donna Brazille... she said on CNN that Kerry lost because of the gays. Thanks Donna. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. Blaming Gays for railroading the Clinton Admin in 1993 ...Divisive truth or hidden fact? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. African-Americans voted for it 20%-25% higher than *any* other race or ethic group. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. For a total influence of maybe 8% of the yes vote. What about the other 92%? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Can we discuss that 70% figure outside of the context of blame? nt |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. No, we can't. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It's too bad. I think that homophobia in the African-American community is |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. There has been a lot of talk about black homophobes |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I've seen racism in the white gay community myself. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You've shown absolutely no interest in that so far. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I'm aware that people like to look for enemies. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. What about the other 92%? Where do we discuss that? Not on DU, apparently. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. If you would like to focus on the minority of white people who voted yes on 8, feel free |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Minority? How many whites voted for it vs. how many blacks?????? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. 45% versus 70%. Are you suggesting |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Actual vote numbers, not percentages. You distort the issue. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. The issue is not how to affix blame for the bill's passing. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. It sure comes across that way. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Looks like it would've been blocked by 32k votes if AA resembled Latinos... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I don't think it was even 8% of the vote |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. It's clear that the purpose of some here is to shut down discussion of this issue entirely. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. It is clear that the purpose of some here is to vilify black people. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Point to a single post or thread blaming black people. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Point to all the threads started ABOUT black people? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. 70% of CA blacks *are* bigots. nt |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. and if you repeat that 1000 more times, what does that prove? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. It doesn't have to be proven. It's plain fact no matter how often you try to change the subject. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Change what subject? Your avoidance of the small numbers of black voters? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
17. It is fair to discuss this and to discuss this in the sense of the |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. I can no more blame blacks then I can whites |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
25. The real issue |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
30. Um, complete bullshit |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Do you have a link to such an exit poll? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. It was on msnbc.com earlier |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Until I see numbers conflicting with CNN's, I'm going to take that with a grain of salt. nt |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. And subsequently, we'll take every innane post like this for |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
33. There are 2 issues being conflated in these discussions: |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-07-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. that is not the only state where that is the general feeling among african americans. nt. |
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