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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:00 PM
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Why Karl Rove pulled the plug

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2008/11/why-karl-rove-pulled-the-plug.html


Barack Obama was overwhelmingly elected by citizens in all regions of the country. Unlike the past two elections where the results were contested in two states run by partisans who rigged the results, this election was won hands down by the person who ran the best campaign. This is not to say that there were not massive problems with voting systems in many states. But this election did not come down to one state or county controlled by corrupt officials.

Four years ago, VR was formed out of the chaos of the 2004 election. Since then, we and all of you have fought a long battle to ensure that our elections are fair, honest and transparent. We demanded accurate voting machines and paper ballots. In this election, both Florida and Ohio, now with paper ballots, went Blue and there is no one questioning that result.

Over the past several months, we have raised the specter of a Man in the Middle computer attack on the vote tabulators controlled by partisan evangelicals. We identified Michael Connell as the key GOP IT expert who created these nefarious networks. We took legal action against Connell in the form of a federal deposition. Karl Rove responded by threatening Connell to either take the fall or keep his mouth shut. Connell’s Bush/Cheney attorneys did everything possible to keep Connell from testifying.

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:06 PM
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1. The voter fraud nutters have a cottage industry to protect
They need some excuse to explain Obama's victory that doesn't interfere with their 2004 vote fraud fantasies.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:09 PM
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3. The Voter Fraud 'Nutters' saved this election
By shining a flashlight on every attempt by the GOP to steal this election, it prevented it from happening.

The 'Nutters' are responsible for the Obama win.

Bite your tongue
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:18 PM
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5. I agree with you on this. Thank you for all those who worked
so hard to prevent all the purging.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:19 PM
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6. I bet...lol...President Obama certainly had nothing to do with his own victory.
It was all a bunch of conspiracy theory bloggers that took time off from exposing MIHOP, to save the world!

Obama won because he ran a flawless campaign and he got people out to the polls, Kerry did not do these things and he lost.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:23 PM
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7. So what if Kerry didn't run a perfect campaign?
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 01:32 PM by EOTE
How does that prove that the reason he didn't win wasn't due to fraud? Are you familiar with ANY of the goings on in Ohio and Florida in 2004? Looked much into Blackwell? Get your head out of the damn sand. Pathetic.

Edit was->wasn't
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:27 PM
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9. I'm not going to prove a negative. He lost because he won fewer votes.
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 01:28 PM by tritsofme
And Mr. Kerry doesn't seem to have asserted otherwise.

I've watched all this nuttery go on since 2004, and I know the plot. Its all a fantasy, sorry.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:34 PM
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12. You know nothing of what happened in Ohio.
I suppose you think that Mr. Blackwell was completely on the up and up too? Even after promising Bush Ohio's electoral votes in 2004? You're living in a fantasy land if you believe everything was kosher in Ohio and Florida in 2004. And once again I'd assert that you know nothing, or next to nothing about the situation.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:36 PM
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14. So JFK Jr. is a nutter and Rolling Stone publishes conspiracy theories?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:40 PM
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16. With his anti-science anti-vaccine rhetoric, I find it hard to take
him very seriously.

I read the article when it was published.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:50 PM
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18. Just be sure to continue NOT TO READ or watch any of the reports on
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 02:51 PM by Overseas
the GOP election stealing techniques of past elections and don't read any of the news stories about the prevention of voter purging efforts in some cases and successful voter roll purging in others.

Don't watch the documentaries about ballots left uncounted in previous elections.

Don't read and watch the testimony of GOP IT Guru Mike Connell about what he had done in the past to manipulate electronic vote tabulation for the GOP.

Don't read and watch Clinton Curtis' story.

Don't read and watch the reports on "What Happened in Ohio 2004" -- and don't listen to those of us who witnessed anomalies then and reported them on DU -- we're all surely lying. You are the only real fountain of the truth.

Burn all of that evidence.

This time we had the amazing transformational figure of Barack Obama to bring in an AVALANCHE of votes to get us the landslide we needed.

So let's not worry our pretty little heads about eliminating fraud from the voting process.

Let's just hope things are better next time by magic.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:26 PM
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8. President-elect Obama.
And all the GOTV in the world is worthless if the votes are selectively unrecorded on the fancy machines.

It's nice that you buy into the American Dream that hard work and enthusiasm will get you all your dreams. And that if you don't get it, it's only because you didn't work hard enough.

But I will point out one small difference between this presidential election and the last two: a Bush was not running.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:35 PM
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13. No but it was a bunch of "conspiracy theory bloggers" who reported any fraud going on
And if I recall, there were many

Sure, Obama earned that win. But we never would have known that he had won without the "nutters" going around doing all that crazy investigation and stuff...

:eyes:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:01 PM
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19. Obama is a genius transformational figure who brought us an avalanche of votes
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 03:01 PM by Overseas
so we were able to overwhelm the cheating this time. We needed an avalanche to get our landslide and the brilliant genius of Barack Obama and his team brought that to us and we are very grateful.

But I'm also grateful to the election protection folks who managed to squash some attempts to purge voters from the rolls, although other attempts got through.

I'm grateful to the election protection folks who managed to get some whistleblowers on record regarding their electronic vote manipulation on behalf of the GOP.

I'm grateful to the election protection folks who managed to get paper ballots brought back in to some key states.

I'm grateful to the election protection folks who encouraged the election of Democratic Secretaries of State in Ohio and Florida.

We had a FABULOUS CANDIDATE this time so we overwhelmed the dirty tricks. The mid-term elections in two years may not have extraordinary Democrats like Obama running to draw huge numbers to the polls. We will need every percentage point for the mid-terms to elect more Democrats to support President Obama.

The GOP would like us to forget all about election integrity. Leave all the loopholes in there. Never mind electronic voting security. All good and happy now. Don't worry. Never mind paper trails and random audits-- Obama won so it is all cool now. See you silly Democrats? All fine. We really did have election integrity. Never mind that damn evidence on film and in your stupid reports.
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librastars Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 03:20 PM
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20. Obama is a Transformational Figure...
I agree with Overseas. I am grateful the repubs were held at bay (like the wolves that they are) when it came to election rigging. Did you see that VR article by Crispin Miller that exposed Rove for the dirtiest dealer that he is?

I just started reading Obams's first book, "Dreams of my Father". This is the first time ever I have cared to learn and relate to a President.

Thank Oceans for posting!

Keep going!

Librastars
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 04:09 PM
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21. Welcome to DU, Librastars !
Thanks for standing up for election integrity.

Glad you saw MCM's article over at Velvet Revolution

Here's a link for others who might want to read it:

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/


I agree that it is exciting to have a President we want to learn more about. I missed the first press conference because I'm accustomed to avoiding them, so I didn't rush to my TV. Now I wish I had.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:31 PM
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10. You really need to look into a thorough analysis
of the election in Ohio in 2004 and then come back and tell me about about the "nutters."

Obama won legitimately, but only because of the vigilance and awareness of voter fraud and suppression tactics. They could have still stolen it if it was close. Make no mistake about that.

How much have you studied the issue before you reached your pronouncement.

And for the record, this nutter never bought into MIHOP or LIHOP, but I know that they stole the elections in 2000 and 2004, first in Florida and then in Ohio.

Election reform and accountability are issues we need to vigorously pursue even though our guy managed to win this year.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 08:09 PM
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22. Exactly eom
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:09 PM
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2. speaking of partisan evangelicals
a women I used to work for (thankfully I have transferred out of that division) was an absolutely insane right wing fundamentalist - up to the point of the mousepad with the book of revelations quote.

She had "volunteered" to work at a polling place for the 2004 state primary election. They had electronic voting. Her statement was "It worked just fine. Some democrats were complaining that they got republican ballots, that's all"
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:13 PM
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4. Did Rove unplug his computer because he was caught?
Or because it was not his job any longer? Maybe,the newbie was slow on the learning curve! We can speculate, but I prefer a real investigation!
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:32 PM
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11. Great article and website --
thanks!
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:36 PM
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15. THANK YOU!!! to the election protectors!!!
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 01:37 PM by backscatter712
To those at VR, to those in the Obama campaign election protection team, to all the other people who worked to keep this election honest, we all owe you a debt that cannot be repaid!

Every one of you - from lowly poll checkers/watchers to bloggers to lawyers, many of whom didn't have to do anything but be there, to those who dragged Rove's flunkies into court and called them out.

You helped save our country. You kept the thieves from being able to steal more than a pittance of votes, and because of that, WE TOOK OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE FASCISTS!!!

Thank you!!!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:27 PM
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17. Thanks for protecting the public from election fraud. I will never vote on a DRE.
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