Does ANYone still doubt that what we are seeing is the birth-pangs of The New World Order?

[99th_Monkey]

Poll question: Does ANYone still doubt that what we are seeing is the birth-pangs of The New World Order?

Crisis, crisis, crisis ... at every turn, on every front imaginable. The Shock Doctrine comes to mind.

There seems to be a quickly emerging consensus that the economy is totally tanking, as in 1929-30, only
maybe even worse.

IMHO, from the looks of things, many of us may be living in shanty towns soon and eating out of dumpsters,
for at least a decade or two.

Does anyone still think this economic meltdown is not an intentional "end game" to bring us to our collective
knees, until we don't have any head-space anymore to even THINK about (much less advocate, organize for, and
publicly fund) decent health care, the environment, decent housing and education, fair elections, etc. BECAUSE
WE'LL BE WAY TOO BUSY MERELY SURVIVING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS ? ? ?

And just WHY would that be? Why would the global power/moneyed elite want to bring the middle class to it's
knees in this way? ... especially since "everyone knows" that a healthy economy depends on a healthy middle class?

HINT: I think it just may have something to do with this New World Order thing that "conspiracy theorists"
have been warning about for at least a decade or two. I think we were sold out long ago, maybe by both parties

But then, some may not agree. Admittedly, this is as much a mini-rant as it is a "poll": so hopefully
there can be not only the poll but some discussion below on the topic.

[cabluedem]

1. A lot of people wont survive. Thats one of the goals if you are into that notion..

I don't know that's its a birth pang as much as its the first bite of the beast. If so, it will get real ugly sooner then later. God help us all.

[99th_Monkey]

3. It was a Rosemary's Baby kind of "birth" I was referring to. And yes God/dess help us all. ~nt~

[TaffyMoon]

8. It's only dying...

it will happen to us all anyway - fearing it will come sooner is a waste of what time is left.

[99th_Monkey]

12. Nice reminder. Thanks. ~nt~

[Irish Girl]

2. I do believe the NWO is at hand

But something keeps telling me something may have gone terribly awry with their plans ... I can't quite put my finger on things yet.

Only time will tell. Please everyone be safe and take care of each other. We need one another for moral support right now more than ever.

[99th_Monkey]

4. I hope you are correct. When U said you're "trying to put your finger on it" ....

...this image flashed in my mind.

<a href="" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt="Barack: "not this time"`"></a>

[cabluedem]

7. You are so correct about that. Good people need to come together to battle evil..

And this whole mess has a stench to it, like the OP wrote about the birth of "Rosemarys' Baby." Now that we have armed US troops on US soil, against all the rules, anything is possible, IMO.

[Marsala]

5. Yeah, I'm sure the world's biggest capitalists organized the collapse of the free market on purpose

:sarcasm:

[99th_Monkey]

9. WTF do they care? They've got their mansion, yaughts & billion$ and a police state

to back them up if any of us "have nots" get uppity.

[cabluedem]

13. Anyone who thinks the US isnt becoming a police state is in denial or uniformed..

Every thing is becoming a crime, the police literally get away with one murder after another and now we have Iraq war combat troops ready for "riot control" and other duties supporting the local police. All against long standing US law against such uses of military forces on home soil.

[Mind_your_head]

6. New World Order is not gonna happen.......not on a LOT of people's "watch"

Thanks GHWB for that "heads up" on 9/11/1991 (?) *A Thousand points of Light*. Lucifer is the son of light, misdirected 'son of light'

I remember watching that speech and it just sent "chills up my spine" ~ how totally misdirected it was/your agenda IS/WAS THEN/STILL IS (misdirected).

[HillbillyBob]

10. Yes that was odd and ''not right'' , since then looking in dark corners

there is a whole lot going on out of site. I also think that electing Obama is one of the potholes in their way. We have to keep up the pressure.
I have been saying for years similar things that Naomi Klein has, but family and friends think
I am just crazy, my dad did til the other night, I had told him and my mom 4 years ago that in about 5 years we would see another great depression, dad did not remember til i brought it up the other night mom still does no believe me, I told her to move her money out of the money market into some good solid stocks, they would lose value, but she could recoup. She has not said what if anything she had done, my stepfather came down with Pick diesease ( alzheimers on a fast track) or rather was diagnoses shortly after that.
We bought a place in the woods that has room to grow food in preparation. We are not big survivalists, but we should be able to hold out.
I suggest you plant a garden, you can grow stuff in pots if you don't have land.
We are planning a second garden for lettuces , greens and such in a hydroponic set up inside,
We had a large summer garden in the back yard, and a winter garden in the front yard, and started planting fruit trees everywhere else in the yard.

[ConsAreLiars]

11. The Death Spasm is what we are seeing.

The monster has begun devouring itself.

And feeding it our young won't help us, despite what its hirelings say.

[99th_Monkey]

16. Most of the "death & dying" I'm seeing is going on among the poor and disenfranchised.

Not the Super Rich ass-holes that have raided our Treasury.

The death & dying part of the equation has apparently been "outsourced" to the "have nots" IMHO.

[ConsAreLiars]

23. The Monster has been murdering the poor and disenfranchised for all its existence.

That is what it does, and has always done. A few million there and a few million here. It will not stop just because it is dying. It thrives on human blood and suffering, and will continue so long as it survives.

[Raksha]

29. That's my take on it too. n/t

[illuminaughty]

14. It's pretty much playing out as has been predicted

But there are way too many here at DU that are ready to flame if you even bring up this subject.
My friends and I have been into the topic for years now and unfortunately the people we've been listening to are right on the money (and I do mean right ON THE MONEY) They predicted this latest swindle.

My argument has always been much like yours...aren't they dependent on our middle class economy to survive? How can it continue with no consumers?

But, here's what I want to know. If the market relies on confidence to keep it going why in the hell would a president come out and pretty much yell "FIRE" and destroy that confidence, create fear and panic and force the bill if it wasn't a coup? Doesn't make sense.

[Mind_your_head]

18. You answered your own question......

It's a coup.

ACCEPT IT. And then "deal" with that new knowledge accordingly and swiftly.


Well, mebbe 'accept it' is "inaccurate"....

[99th_Monkey]

20. No, it doesn't make sense at all. To destroy the Goose (translation: middle class) ...

... that has already been harnessed to pretty much lay the fat cat's golden eggs "on demand" by the sweat of
our brows. That's exactly what got me connecting these dots ($$$melt-down and NWO) ... I've
been following this too for several years, but with a somewhat skeptical eye ... but when this economic meltdown
hit, I became skeptical of my own skepticism (if that makes sense).

In case you haven't seen these, be my guest.

US Rep. Brad Sherman on House floor: Vote yes for Bail-out Bill or else ... threats of Martial Law in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_8FA-zagVM

Naomi Wolf on Martial Law in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI&eurl=http://www.opednews.com/articles/Naomi-Wolf-Must-Watch-Vide-by-you-tube-081008-302.html

BTW - I LOVE your screen-name, and it's uncanny relevance to the subject matter.

[balantz]

25. The Chinese consumer/producer will be the world's new middle class.

We're old hat to the corporations. They saw a gold mine in China and started cultivating that during Nixon's reign.

[99th_Monkey]

30. I guess it's no "accident" that China pretty much owns our asses now, huh? ~nt~

[balantz]

31. Kinda makes you think n/t

[illuminaughty]

37. I was just thinking that today

We had our reign, now China gets to have a middle class and we'll be making "Hello doggies" or some fucked up shit for them while slaving away in our new sweat shop digs.

[illuminaughty]

39. Thanks. I think my name says it all

I can never make up my mind how evil they truly might be, but it's hard to be a doubter after this last wild ride. They've definitely boiled the frog slowly, because most people are still pretty clueless even after two stolen elections, 9/11, and the current financial crisis.

I've seen both of those links and I wonder how punished Sherman is going to be. Naomi Wolf has some massive balls. I'm currently reading other Naomi "Shock Doctrine" and I think "Confessions of an Economical Hitman" deserves a second read considering the circumstances..so don't tell me I don't how to have a good time.:dunce:

[balantz]

22. We're history as the main consumers.

That's what the corporations have been setting up in China, the new consumer population.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. This is actually the end of the NWO as envisioned by PNAC

the empire is dead...

and this is the kind of change like oh 1945

[99th_Monkey]

21. From your lips ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. You are seeing the end of the American Empire

and if we are lucky we will keep the dollar as a reserve currency...

The European presses have been all over this... for two weeks now, and this is as impressive as 1945

[balantz]

17. Yes. It began here in the U.S. when our great democracy was seized.

We are in the beginning of the second phase of the coup, though this has all been planned and carried out for many decades. 9/11 was the first real and all out phase of the coup, and now it's the financial reap and world market shift. Governments ("allies" and other "friends") will be revamped further into mini-fascist-oligarchies, arranged in different clusters, lining up for their place at the table. War and peace between the remaining super powers is looming. Ultimately the corporate kings will settle on a world structure that is now in the planning and making, and populations the world over will be thinned of unnecessary numbers. Intense police states in the future world system will monitor and control the remaining populations. There must always be an enemy to keep the MIC & etc. industries running and feed the wealth of the upper tier. That enemy will be the remaining slave populations who will be trained to fear the government and one another and either support, or try to undermine the world government. The elite will rule from the last remaining, pristine places of the planet.

How's that for a story?

[99th_Monkey]

26. Pretty much ... seems like that's what's in the works ... but WAIT just a God-damned minute ...

<a href="" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt="Barack: "not this time"`"></a>

[balantz]

28. If it is to be undone ego will not be the master of the undoing.

King ego and its fears and likes and dislikes is why we are in this mess. Neo must rip his heart open like a Buddha or a Christ and leave his personal wants behind. If we are to overcome we must be the allthing of supreme compassion, putting the needs of the less fortunate before anything else.

[99th_Monkey]

36. You speak some wisdom here

Interesting factoid #1: just before I read your post, I was contemplating what Barack and Michelle must be going through,
as a lovely family with lovely young children, and yet they've made the plunge, they're in for the long haul and have
everything on the line for us, for our nation, for our planet. That kind of courageous & compassionate standing in the
breach -- and risking all to do it -- is a powerful example for us all to take to heart deeply.

because it will take that same kind of courage on all our parts to make it through this, which is precisely what Obama's
been sayin' now for how many months, way before this economic mess broke into the open for all to see.

Interesting factoid #2: You joined DU on my birthday.

Thanks for your encouraging and insightful reply. :hi:

[sandnsea]

19. It has definitely crossed my mind

We're 5% of the world's population, consuming 25% of the resources. That can't last and it sure isn't profitable.

[lligrd]

24. It Is The Birth Of A New World Order But Not The One Neocons

had in mind. Hopefully a smarter, wiser one but only time will tell. And hopefully, we never hear that term used as a plan again.

[Waiting For Everyman]

27. This might show the opposite to enough people

That we need to become independent again, with sane alliances for actual mutual benefit, rather than this thoughtless globalization. Enough with the bank games and war games, that led nowhere.

We should rollback our economic philosophy to 1960 or so, substitute the renewable-energy-race for the space-race and try again. Protecting the grass-roots' interests this time. And minus the Federal Reserve and IMF would be good.

No more widened-out risk. It doesn't dilute it, it spreads the liability like a virus. This, we have seen. Fact, not opinion.

[99th_Monkey]

32. I quite agree. And us "have nots" do still have good reason to hope, that yes we can.

To say that "a lot rides on this election" is certainly an understatement, huh?

<a href="" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt="Obama=Change"></a>

[Gwendolyn]

34. The New World Order practical aspect was dreamed up in the '70s

It sounds great on paper. Read up on it. Even Hill goes to the world-wide meetings.

[tom_paine]

35. 50% of DU is blind. Did the Nazis enjoy such a willfully ignorant and blind populace?

DU is 50% blind or perhaps even 66.7% blind. The "Real World" much MUCH slower to catch on that even the Slow Half of DU is 95-100% blind.

I wonder. Who's worse? The 1930s German or current Amerikan Subjects?

It's neck and neck right now. Only time can provide the answer as to which popluace was weaker-minded, blinder, and more mentally malleable, 1930s Germans or 2008 Amerikans. Which group s a better friend to tyranny?

It's too close to call, right now.

[Gwendolyn]

40. Are you obsessed with Nazi idealogy?

You seem to be. Why?

[tom_paine]

42. Because the Bushies were once allied with the Nazis, and tried to depose FDR

They failed, but I believe their dream remains.

There are any number of reasons I feel this way, least of which is some irrational obsession with Nazi ideology.

But thanks for illustrating my point nicely.

OF COURSE, that's all it could be! Just a juvenile obsession. How could it be anything more substantive?

:rofl:

The Blind. I never grow tired of you. Always the last to know. there's only one cure. Learning history.

Here, let me give you some metaphorical Lasik Surgry. Open up those eyes and for once, DON'T be the last to realize what's going on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/jaspers02.htm

http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20080515_chalmers_johnson_on_our_managed_democracy

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

http://www.amazon.com/Blinded-Right-Ex-Conservative-David-Brock/dp/1400047285/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223592719&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Defying-Hitler-Memoir-Sebastian-Haffner/dp/0312421133/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223630605&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Give-Me-Liberty-Handbook-Revolutionaries/dp/1416590560/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_cart_1

If, after reading/watching/listening to these links, if you can STILL say mine is just a juvenile obsession, and nothing more...

...then you are more willfully blind than I gave you credit for.

Sorry. It's too late for political correctness. Another reason for my "juvenile obsession". There comes a point where one has to call Nazis Nazis and Bushies Bushies, and Bushies a kinder gentler form of Nazis and Nazi a more primitive, more violent form of Bushies.

Sorry about that. No time to coddle you clueless Good Germans with cooing baby-talk. Too late for that. Open your eyes or be the last to figure it out. Like this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

You just keep telling your self "It could NEVER happen here."

You just keep telling yourself, "It just COULDN'T be totalitarian tyranny unless it comes in the EXACT SAME FORM as the Nazis. As long as there are no armbands on people and no swastikas, everything is OK."

See how that works out for you. I'm guessing it will work out as well as it always does for the clueless Good Germans and all the rest of the blind fools who usually deny the existance of totalitarianism, even when it is obvious in the entreme, and they are thus the best friends of tyrants.

But don't take my word for it. Read the links. But beware, breaking out of the blindness of the Good German is a shattering experience, and most people don't have the strength of ego to acknowledge they've been blind or fooled this badly for this long. Most people would rather go on being blinded and foolish that acknowledge even for a second, that they were a blind fool.

In this way, after a certain point people become slaves of the bamboozle, slaves of their own blindness, carrying within them the seeds of their own future blindness in the power of ego to reject unpleasant realities.

But don't take my word for it. Read, listen and watch the links.

[cabluedem]

48. Thanks for the links and the history lesson. Someone once said that when fascism came to America, it

would come wrapped in the Flag and carrying a Bible. You are right on the money in what you have said. People really don't like facing reality, even myself but God made me a realist and a pessimist and I know full well the depth of cruelity and unjustness humans are capable of. Once again thanks for your input. You are not alone in your beliefs which are well founded, IMO. May God help all of us in these very troubling, evil-filled times.

[balantz]

47. Worldwide economic power, banking elite, military industrial complex

have long used capitalist fascism.

Prescott Bush (shrubbies grandfather and U.S. senator) made profits in Nazi Germany during WWII and he was involved in the failed coup to overthrow FDR which was never carried out. The Bush family story begins with Precott's father, himself an arms dealer and financier, and of course hasn't ended yet.

[Jack Rabbit]

38. We aren't seeing the birth of the NWO

We are experiencing the death of the old world order. Between now and the time the new "order", whatever it may be, is established is a time to fasten your seat belts because the ride is going to be very bumpy.

[Douglas Carpenter]

41. I am greatly relieved that a majority of DUers are not buying the conspiracy theory explanation

That is not to say that these are not VERY dangerous times. They are.

Did the Nazis and the fascist cause the great depression in Europe? Of course not. That's absurd. But the crisis of capitalism gave them the opportunity to rise to power.

What is occurring is perfectly logical. What is occurring are the perfectly logical consequences of decades of irresponsible, rabid and unregulated speculating financed by irresponsible, rabid and unregulated borrowing. This irresponsible maneuvering for fast, short term gain culminated in the housing bubble and burst and the rise and collapse of the financial instruments and mechanism that financed it and supported it and sought fast short-term profit from it.

If an individual handled their personal finances this way, they would at some point, end up in a financial wreck with few available options. If whole economies handle their finances this way, whole economies at some point, end up financial wrecks with few available options.

Desperate individuals with few apparent options are frequently prey to unscrupulous hucksters and they frequently will turn to extreme measures. Desperate societies and economies with few apparent options are frequently prey to extremist demagogues and frequently turn to extreme policies.

[TexasObserver]

43. Don't think so. They WISH they were able to control the world like that.

There are forces at work which are much larger than rich elites playing "fuck the peasants."

[malaise]

44. The Reagan-Thatcher new World Order is crashing

the IMF will try to impose itself on Europe and Asia this weekend but they will receive one large FUCK OFF. Before this is over Hayek and Friedman's crap theories can be buried with the last survivor of the real axis of evil - Thatcher. The saddest part is that just like Reagan, her dementia is such that she is incapable of understanding the depth of suffering she promoted on this planet.

Fuck the IMF; Fuck Shock Therapy and Fuck Reagan, Thatcher, Hayek and Friedman. I knew this crap couldn't work since 1979.

[LeftishBrit]

46. I have to agree with you there.

Though even if Thatcher's brain was still working as normal for her, I don't think she would ever understand the suffering she caused. She believed in the cult of Monetarism the way others believe in religious cults.

'I knew this crap couldn't work since 1979.'

So did a lot of us. But a bit over 40% of the population followed the Great Leader Thatcher - and with our electoral system, that was enough to keep her in office.

'Fuck the IMF; Fuck Shock Therapy and Fuck Reagan, Thatcher, Hayek and Friedman'

And fuck New Labour for keeping on the system.

[LeftishBrit]

45. I don't believe in the 'NWO' as the term is commonly used.

I do think that there are corrupt groups who ride roughshod over others for their own gain (well, who doesn't think so!) but I don't think they constitute a single power elite. They are lots and lots of actual and would-be elites, who fight each other for power, and the ordinary people, who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, end up as 'collateral damage', literally or metaphorically.

'Why would the global power/moneyed elite want to bring the middle class to it's knees in this way? ... especially since "everyone knows" that a healthy economy depends on a healthy middle class?'

Because they're short-sighted and selfish. The old tale of the couple who 'killed the goose that laid the golden egg' has had many many real-world parallels through the ages.