Rep Brad Sherman vid clip (martial law)

[G_j]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

[dennysp]

1. That's the Bush Administration for ya!

Remember Jon Stewart's comparison on Bush's talks. I can't wait until these people are only in the history books, and not in our lives anymore. John McCain along with them. He's over when he loses, you know.

[billyoc]

2. I believe he misunderstood:

"Martial Law" In House of Representatives

Under the martial law procedure, long-standing House rules that require at least one day between the unveiling of significant legislation and the House floor vote on that legislation — so that Members can learn what they are being asked to vote on — are swept away. Instead, under “martial law,” the Leadership can file legislation with tens or hundreds of pages of fine print and move immediately to debate and votes on it, before Members of Congress, the media, or the public have an opportunity to understand fully what provisions have been altered or inserted into the legislation behind closed doors. This is the procedure that the Leadership intends to use to muscle through important bills in the next two days.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. No he didn't,he meant in the streets

that said, they may have been given a full worst case scenario brief... which includes martial law

If this was a worst case scenario brief, it is bad enough

And if he is right? Then all the screaming and warning has been for naught

[endthewar]

14. And how do we know that?

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. You don't, why the claim requires extraordinary evidence

That said, I take this seriously

[Hatfield]

5. He Was Not Referring To Martial Law in the House

He specifically refers to Martial Law in America.

When will we ever start to take this shit seriously. We know that bushco is capable of it. Its about time we quit dismissing these so called tin foil hat conspiracy theories and actually start viewing this as a legit possibility.

[endthewar]

15. So does this mean our soldiers will come back home from Iraq now?

Obviously the answer must be yes. If not, who will enforce it?

[Hannah Bell]

19. what he said was that congresspeople were told if they didn't pass

the bailout, there would be martial law in the us -

& they called the armtwister's bluff - blood didn't run in the streets, no martial law.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. A combat brigade is billeted in the US precisely for that starting on the

first of the month... they are under NORCOM command

I am sure you knew that

[dkofos]

24. Blackwater

[G_j]

7. ..a few members were even told

there would be martial law in America, if they voted no.

[endthewar]

16. Does Bush have the authority to single-handedly declare martial law?

Can Bush suspend habeas corpus on US citizens?

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Been suspended for a while

you are not paying attention are you?

And you mean Posse, which has been suspended

Habeas was... and brought back by the USSC ... so once again, you are not paying attention

[shadowknows69]

26. I doubt Habeus survives long after a declaration of martial law though.

[dgibby]

29. Posse was reinstated last year;

however, the law/Constitution/Bill of Rights has never stopped Buscho yet.
I'm sure a signing statement would take care of pesky little things like that.

[Raksha]

31. Yes, Bush did attach a signing statement when he signed the bill

reinstating the Posse Comitatus law. Saying basically he could interpret it however the hell he wanted. What else would you expect?

[dgibby]

32. Nothing, which is why I am never disappointed!

[shadowknows69]

25. He can declare anyone in america an enemy combatant for nearly any reason

suspending all of that person's rights. The military commissions act gives him scary broad powers at home. Obviously they pissed all over posse comitatus.

[dgibby]

30. Yes and yes

[endthewar]

17. Save your breath. Ignorance sometimes can't be cured.

Your post clearly explains what this means, but all of these "The Sky is falling!" people refuse to think coherently. I guess Sarah Palin is rubbing off on some of them. :rofl:

[billyoc]

34. Well, in their defense, there ARE 438 members of Congress.

Some of them might be just as crazy. :rofl:

[wundermaus]

4. What part of the Concept "Extortion"

are we having trouble comprehending?

Hello?

Are we in a Nation of Denial?

[AntiFascist]

6. Wow, this is incredible !

Can there be any question whether the Administration is engaged in fearmongering?

[bbgrunt]

8. we know it has to be something like this.

[chill_wind]

9. (If true) this is pure thuggery, even more brazen than when he tried to intimidate Congress

over FISA, last summer, was it? He was claiming there was a fresh new Terrah alert, and that it was targeted at Capital Hill.
There were reports of beefed up HSS all around the hill, to drive home his message. Congress was balking and scheduled for recess. Paradoxically against this backdrop of this "dire new threat", he was threatening to keep them there under those conditions until they passed his bill.

[dgibby]

10. Don't forget

the anthrax attacks on dems in congress who were opposed to Patriot Act.
I suspect a lot of members of congress are very nervous right now. No wonder the Senate passed the bailout. Just think, they actually KNOW Cheney personally, and also know what he's capable of when he's crossed.

[passy]

11. K&R

[99th_Monkey]

12. Rep. Sherman was not exaggerating one bit: see NSPD #51

Bush's executive order that grants himself dictatorial powers in the event of a major "economic catastrophe".

"b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions ... "

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=24108
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_and_Homeland_Security_Presidential_Directive

[mhatrw]

13. If Paul Wellstone were alive ...

Oh wait, that's why he's not.

[Hannah Bell]

18. kick

[shadowknows69]

23. fuck this shit

He was talking about Martial Law in the streets. I can see Bush deploying troops for large crowds at banks trying to get their money out. Our Congress is overwhelmingly filled with criminals. I'm feeling less and less confident about any kind of "change" in the future. From anyone.

[shadowknows69]

27. You have to wonder how many reps were told stuff like:

"We know where your kids go to school. Vote for the bill." What's the difference really? Wouldn't put it past them. A gangster is a gangster.

[shadowknows69]

28. The FBI should have Sherman in a safe house right now

Taking his statement and preparing charges of treason against the white house. They threatened state sponsored terrorism in my opinion. Bush would have spit on posse comitatus and put the army and blackwater in charge of the US.

[shadowknows69]

33. Kicking for a succesful extorting of the American people

Gotta hand it to you Bush. Your cabal would make the Corleone family jealous.