What kind of nut would "council" a recently raped 15 year old girl to carry the baby to full term?

[NNN0LHI]

Think about that for a minute.

Don

[countingbluecars]

Abou 28% of the population of the USA.

Right wing fundie nut jobs IMO.

[LiberadorHugo]

1. He works for the White House.

His name is James Dobson.

[opihimoimoi]

2. Them dudes in the GOP vote that way.....

:puke:

[cdb]

3. It sickens me to think about that

this kind of feverish Kool Aid drinking zealot has no place in a secular government. "I would choose life."

[AzDar]

18. The question I would ask : Whose life are you 'choosing'?

It sure ain't the fifteen-year-old girl's.

:puke:

[cdb]

20. The girls life is made worse-- a triple trauma

first the rape-- then forced to keep a baby she never wanted or planned for -- then either raising it putting it up for adoption. Those are the new "choices"

[seabeyond]

4. i would certainly put that out (once she has had council on the rape itself)

but all options are opened and would be "counciled" and help and guide the girl to a decision she could live with

[Starbucks Anarchist]

5. "Counsel."

Sorry. :hide:

[timtom]

7. Thanks.

You saved me the effort.

[prayin4rain]

6. Yeah pressure and guilt and explain that she will go to hell if she doesn't.

They want everyone alive but have no respect for the living. And they are the same people that want to cut the social programs that help take care of the baby once it is alive. The same people who want it born, but if the baby starves, is not provided a safe environment and is denied an education once they are here ... that's fine.... they just want it born.... couldn't care less what happens beyond that.

[Brewman_Jax]

8. Republican candidate for Vice President

As they would say about the above situation:

"This is series!!1! You shouldn't be casting asparagus about a girl receiving proper counsil, you trool!1!"

As for thinking, this is by/for people that cannot think for themselves or think outside of an untenible rigid polarized immoral structure. :crazy:

[UnrepentantUnitarian]

9. I guess it's "weasel season" in Alaska?

Most of these folks who would vote to criminalize abortions would not dare suggest a criminal penalty for it. Until they are prepared to stick their collective necks out and do that--and take the flack for it-- then they should keep the subject out of the political theater and discourse altogether. Just MHO.

[Marrah_G]

10. No one should be pushing the girl either way

She shouldn't be counseled to abort either.

Give her the information, let her choose.

[get the red out]

11. Someone who is rigid

to the point of promoting evil.

[Newshues]

12. If the starting point for a person is that

abortion is murder is there really any other position to take that is logically consistent?

Take religion out of the equation completely and work it from a rational basis premised on the personal belief that abortion is the artificial ending of an innocent human life - murder. Works the same way that Bush is a murderer of 100's of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

I'm not saying that the position is the right one or the best one. I'm just offering a way of understanding why it is the position is taken.

What would be wrong is taking that personal belief and imposing it on people who fundamentally believe otherwise. That is where most people part company in the abortion debate - whether it is acceptable to impose the personal belief through the force of government.

While Palin promotes a very strong, and irrational to me, pro-life stance, she hasn't shown a rabid willingness to implement that through the force of government. I can feel the flame throwers warming up now so I'll source that

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/520272.html

As governor of Alaska, you have not pushed for laws or regulations that put your personal views on abortion, same-sex marriage and creationism into public policy. As vice president, will you push to outlaw abortion, restrict same-sex marriage and require the teaching of creationism?

What she'd do as VP or as dictator of the world who knows.

[marsincapricorn]

13. What part of that do you object to? The age of the victim or counseling anyone?

I know a woman who was the product of rape and it convinced me that even in such a horrific circumstance, good things can happen. I am so glad no one talked her mother out of carrying her to term. She is a high soul and has helped young girls who don't have proper guidance.

I understand the impulse a rape victim (and advocate) would have of "getting rid of IT," but it won't erased the trauma of the rape and with all the people who want a baby so very badly, even adoption is a viable alternative.

[Scout]

14. women are not breeders

adoption is only a viable alternative if you want to remain pregnant...

:eyes:

[ogneopasno]

15. It won't erase the trauma of the rape

but it will erase the fact that the victim is pregnant. Which, if she doesn't want to be, is just fine.

[Marrah_G]

16. You just described me.

Adopted child, birth mother was raped at age 16.

[sweetpotato]

24. Please think about this statement

>>with all the people who want a baby so very badly, even adoption is a viable alternative.<<

This statement indicates to me that the belief behind it is that everyone is entitled to have a baby.

No matter how they get it.

Sorry, but women were not put here to provide for everyone else's needs. Giving a baby up for adoption because there are so many people who want a child is not reasonable. There are lots of children who have no home at all. People who say that women should have the baby and give it to someone else, don't really want a child no matter what, they want a perfect white infant to raise.

I used to work for a lawyer who handled adoptions. Perfect white infants were what the adoptive parents wanted.

[rebecca_herman]

26. It's not about erasing the trauma of the rape

It's about preventing further trauma to the girl or woman, and many girls and women would be further traumatized by continuing the pregnancy. I, personally, would more than likely kill myself before going through with a pregnancy from rape if abortion were not an option. The very idea makes me ill. I'm sorry to people who can't have children - I myself want children badly someday, so I know how it feels for that to be an important life goal - but if I'm ever raped, it's not *my* responsibility to put myself through hell and severe mental trauma that I would likely never get over, and maybe end up killing myself over, so they can have an adopted baby.

[chicagoexpat]

17. Palin. Oh, that was a RHETORICAL question... my mistake

[dkofos]

19. Sara PUPPY KILLER Palin

[zanne]

21. I think the following video was put together by a DUer...

It's very effective. Take a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbUofbBizsI

[Adsos Letter]

22. One who doesn't have to actually live that "counsel" himself...

[hamsterjill]

25. That's right!

And someone who will be the first to criticize the 15-year old mother when she can't provide for her child and must rely on welfare, etc.

At that point, the teenage mother who made the RIGHT decision will become the teenage temptress who was asking to be attacked.

[Quantess]

23. Look, she had sex and now she's got to face the consequences.

If she doesn't want to have a baby then she shouldn't have gotten herself raped.