I predict Hillary won't run

[jaysunb]

I've been wrong before --once--:evilgrin:but I believe she'll fold her " exploratory" committee before fall.

Inquiring minds want to know , huh ?

Aside from the fact that, once target- specific polling is done, it will show that she does not have the support of the base.

Well...there's no win without the base, and blacks plus the net/grassroots are the base. She can't win that crowd.

This race is about 2 people right now, Gore & Obama. Once Obama has headed Hillary in the early primary State polls ( which will probably include California) Gore will step in and we'll have our 08 ticket.

Come September,or a little later Sen Clinton will decide to end her exploratory conversation.


BTW: todays my birthday , so maybe that's why I'm taking license to wish--for the above.:party:

[mike_c]

1. happy birthday, and I hope you get your wish!

:party:

[blm]

18. Heh - was going to say the exact same thing.

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[Tesha]

40. We'll be doing our part in New Hampshire to help grant your wish!

Mr. Tesha and I are very reliable voters in the New Hampshire
primary and political activists to boot, and we'll be doing our
part to help grant your wish!

We've already been polled several times regarding this exact
question (of support for Hillary, Inc.).

Tesha

[madokie]

2. Happy birthday

Myself I sure like having them

[SharonRB]

3. From your mouth to Gore's ears

Run, Al, run!

[peacebird]

4. happy birthday!

Hope you are right, as I don't think Hillary can win.....

[onehandle]

5. She has a zillion dollars and the Democrat's biggest fundraiser in history.

She'll be in until she loses or wins the nomination.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

6. You are correct, my friend

You are correct, my friend


She is in this til the bitter end.. make no mistake about it.

[Mojambo]

7. I agree. She'll need to be beaten. She's not going to quit. n/t

[Cascadian]

35. I really hope that reason wins the day and she does not get the nomination. n/t

[wakeme2008]

I think she is another Holy Joe

If she loss the primary she will go Independant...

[MonkeyFunk]

11. That's not going to happen

[Jackpine Radical]

19. No, I really doubt that.

God, what a disaster it would be. She would have no chance of winning, but would probly pull 10% of the vote away from the Dem candidate. Crazed feminists, God knows who all. It would be worse than Nader. Or Nadir, as I usually think of him.

[Jackpine Radical]

8. First--Happy Birthday

Second, I just signed the Draft Gore petition in your honor.

Third, I wouldn't rule out Edwards from all that calculating. For that matter, I wouldn't rule out Hill. For one thing, neither NH or IA has much of a black population, so she could score OK in the early rounds. Maybe.

Gore-Obama? Well, why not? If I can't have Gore-Feingold, I mean.

[tnlefty]

15. I love Russ! He's the only politician I've ever had a dream about!

I think he needs to continue to take the strong stands that he does in the Senate.

[tnlefty]

9. Happy Birthday!!!

Gore/Obama I could get get really excited about! :party:

edit: crazy typing finger

[cynatnite]

10. She's in it to win...

Happy Birthday, but I don't think you'll get your wish. Right now there is nothing to say that Gore is even running.

[AtomicKitten]

12. Happy birthday to you!

Sorry, but I think she's going for it. I think when Obama hits his stride, she will have cause for concern.

Gobama.

[hang a left]

13. I will bet she will take the VP slot running with Clark.

Not my choice. But my dream ticket would be Gore/Kucinich

[mike_c]

22. mine too...

Oh my, that would be fine.

[lancdem]

14. What evidence is there that's she's not popular

with Dem primary voters? I hate to burst your bubble, but there's a lot more to the Democratic Party than DU. BTW, why in the world would she run if she didn't think she had at least a good shot at winning the nomination and the general election? She's not stupid.

And happy birthday!

[jaysunb]

My political awareness extends well beyond DU, thank you very much.

The political dynamics have changed radically in this country. Past models are all but obselete in the climate we are now in.
The Nov. election was a precurser to another generational and ideological shifts in American politics, the most recent being the 1980 Reagan election.
60% of those that go to the polls in 08 will have been born since 1966. For the most part they see racism as relics of my generation. They'll see themselves in Obama and their mother or older aunt in Hillary.

As others above have said, " she'll have to beaten well to get her out" I just think reality will kick in when the country gets serious about the 08 election, and that should be around the fall of 07.

[Olney Blue]

16. Happy Birthday!!!!!!

[mnhtnbb]

17. Hillary will NOT fold. She's entitled. She's persistent.

And she will do the same thing as her husband. Bill could have resigned
and let Gore take office when he was caught lying to EVERYBODY about Monica. But he did not do the honorable thing because what was best for the country was not what he was interested in doing.

Hillary will fight this all the way.

[lancdem]

20. The "honorable thing" was not resigning

Why would he let the GOP chase him out of office for something that wasn't even an impeachable offense? Plus, he had an approval rating over 60 percent. The majority of voters didn't want him to go anywhere. And if you think Gore as president would've made him a shoo-in in 2000, think again.

You act as if she has no right to run. Let's allow the voters to decide, OK?

[mnhtnbb]

24. She has every right to do whatever she wishes--just my point.

Clinton eventually came around to the honorable thing--which was admitting that he lied to his Vice-President, the Cabinet, the American people. I could give a rat's ass that he also lied to his wife.

I still say the honorable thing to do would have been to resign.

[cynatnite]

26. Oh, hell no...

I would not have wanted him to resign over lying about a damn blow job. What he did was stupid, but worth resigning over? No way. Resigning would equaled running away, IMO.

[mnhtnbb]

30. It's not about the blow job, it's about the lying. Once you accept

the lies....where does it end? I think we've found out in the last 6 years.

[cynatnite]

36. Resigning would have given those RW assholes what they wanted...

:eyes:

I really don't give a shit Clinton lied about a blowjob. It had nothing to do with me or his job. It was none of my business. RW bastards manipulated him into that position knowing he would lie about it. It was a set-up and I think he knew it. No way should he have given in to those assholes by resigning.

[mnhtnbb]

39. Clinton betrayed the trust of his Cabinet, his Vice-president and the

American people. The right-wing would have never gotten off the ground with all their shit if, when first caught in the lie, he had admitted it
and resigned. But, the whole thing would have been avoided if he'd never lied about it to start.

Lying is the problem. In my lifetime, it started with Nixon and Watergate. Then it was Reagan and Iran Contra. Bill and his blowjob.
Look where we've ended up! Nothing but lies and distortions for the last 6 years.

It is NOT ok to lie. Period. It has nothing to do with giving the right wing what they wanted--it has to do with being honest with the American people and worthy of their trust.

[Jackpine Radical]

41. It didn't start with Nixon.

LBJ was an old crook ('member Billie Sol Estes & the fertilizer tanks? 'Member the Gulf of Tonkin?).
Kennedy had his little issues too.
Teapot Dome. Harding.
Back and back, through the mists of time.

[cynatnite]

47. The only person he betrayed was his wife...

What he did was none of our business and had no place in the public eye. The RW did that and the RW set him up. They knew he would lie just like they knew most in his position would. That impeachment was a farce.

The lies and distortions in the last six years aren't Clinton's fault. We didn't end up where we are because of him.

If Clinton had resigned we would have been much worse off, IMO. 24/7 it would be Clinton resigned in disgrace..blah, blah, blah. RW media and talking heads wouldn't have shutup about it.

He did the right thing in NOT resigning.

[illinoisprogressive]

21. Hillary is trying to buy the WhiteHouse. She won't run because she thinks

she can buy her way. that is why all the strong arming and threats to donors.
But, if gore does decide to get in, then she will see that money cannot buy you everything, including the white house.

[BuyingThyme]

23. Get any cash for your birthday?

:)

[sweetladybug]

25. Happy Birthday! Today is my grandson's birthday too (7 yrs olds)

As far as Hillary goes, I think she has as good as chance as anyone running at this time. BUT, if or when Al Gore enters the races it all over but the crying for anyone else to win. He is exactly what our country needs and he will be the next President of the USA if he will run.

Gore/anyone 2008!!!!!!!

[jaysunb]

28. Yes. But it was a loan....

seriously. :rofl:

[Cha]

27. Happy Birthday,

jaysunb! :party:

[Pastiche423]

29. Happy B'Day, jaysunb!

I so hope your b'day wish comes true. Although I think it would be fabulous to have a woman president, I don't want that woman to be a corporatist DLCer.

I'm w/you there wrt Al Gore. If he doesn't run, I may become a part of the apathetic masses.

Btw, how many b'day licks (spankings) did you get?

[jaysunb]

31. 64 , if I were to submit...

:rofl:

[Hippo_Tron]

32. Gore will probably not run and Hillary is definitely in, it's all about the $

Hillary wouldn't be raising all of the money that she has if she wasn't running. She is betting that her financial advantage and name recognition will put her over the top and there's some serious weight to that argument.

Gore isn't out and he has the luxury of being able to enter late if he wants to. But he hasn't even begun taking the preliminary steps needed to run. I'd say that as things stand now, unless Gore is somehow convinced otherwise, he isn't running.

[jaysunb]

33. He's running...

Check the parallel w/ Nxon.

[donheld]

34. I've been wrong before --once--

Let me guess, you were wrong to think you were wrong? :evilgrin::silly:

Happy Birthday :party::toast::spank:

[JacksonWest]

37. She's already running.

Hillary's base is going to consist of people who don't want to see another Republican in office. And, according to every poll I've seen, she is the leader at this juncture.

[SaveElmer]

38. And what graveyard is that you are whistling by?...

Along the banks of Da Nile I imagine!!!

[theboss]

42. First you get the money...then you get the nomination...

then you get the women.

Or in this case, um, well...I honestly don't know what politicians of the female persuasion get. Maybe better credit card rates or something.

Anyway, Hillary's nomination practically feels like a fait accomplie at this point.

If you have not noticed, the Clintons do not lose elections.

Also, if you have noticed, once Hillary makes a decision, she does not back now. She is probably the toughest Democratic politician out there. The primaries are going to be fascinating because she is going bludgeon everyone to the point that we either select Hillary or whatever competitor she has spent six months trying to paint as history's greatest monster.

[jaysunb]

43. They've lost before...

Arkansas Governorship

[theboss]

45. And then won it again and again and again and again and again.

I did the math a few years ago. Bill and Hillary have run in something like 16 elections and have won 15 of them. I wouldn't bet against them.

[jaysunb]

46. 16 may be a bit of an exaggeration, but your'e right

as to repeated wins.

Please read my earlier post here. # 15

The political dynamics have changed radically in this country. Past models are all but obselete in the climate we are now in.
The Nov. election was a precurser to another generational and ideological shifts in American politics, the most recent being the 1980 Reagan election.
60% of those that go to the polls in 08 will have been born since 1966. For the most part they see racism as relics of my generation. They'll see themselves in Obama and their mother or older aunt in Hillary.

[Mutley]

44. Happy Birthday

:party: