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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:54 PM
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John W. Dean: Vice President Dick Cheney's Incredible and Deadly Lie
Vice President Dick Cheney's Incredible and Deadly Lie
by John W. Dean | September 19, 2008

By Deceiving a Congressional Leader, Cheney Sent Us to War on False Pretenses And Violated the Separation of Powers - as Well as the Criminal Law

— from FindLaw

This week, I agreed to deliver a "Constitution Day" talk on a college campus. My talk was not partisan. Yet the subject matter I selected was prompted by the most incredible - not to mention the most deadly - lie Dick Cheney has yet told, which was reported earlier this week.

Last year, Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman and Jo Baker, now of the New York Times, did an extensive series for the Post on Cheney. Now, Gellman has done some more digging, and published the result in a book he released this week: Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency. The book reveals a lie told to a high-ranking fellow Republican, and the difference that lie made. In this column, I'll explain how Cheney defied the separation of powers, and go back to the founding history to show why actions like his matter so profoundly.

Cheney's Bold Face Lie To Congress

According to Gellman (and to paraphrase from the Post story on his finding), in the run-up to the war in Iraq, the White House was worried about the stance of Republican Majority Leader Richard Armey of Texas, who had deep concerns about going to war with Saddam Hussein. According to the Post, Armey met with Cheney for a highly classified, one-on-on briefing, in Room H-208, Cheney's luxurious hideaway office on the House side of the Capitol.

During this meeting, the Post reports, Cheney turned Armey around on the war issue. Cheney did so by telling the House Majority Leader that he was giving him information that the Administration could not tell the public -- namely (according to Armey), that Iraq had the "'ability to miniaturize weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear,' which had been 'substantially refined since the first Gulf War,' and would soon result in 'packages that could be moved even by ground personnel.' In addition, Cheney linked that threat to Saddam's alleged personal ties to al Qaeda, explaining that 'we now know they have the ability to develop these weapons in a very portable fashion, and they have a delivery system in their relationship with organizations such as al Qaeda.'"

The Post story continues, "Armey has asked: "Did Dick Cheney ... purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" His answer: "I seriously feel that may be the case...Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed {the war} resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."

In short, it was this lie that sealed the nation's fate, and sent us to war in Iraq. By lying to such an influential figure in Congress, Cheney not only may have changed the course of history, but also corrupted the separation of powers with their inherent checks and balances.


Cheney's monumental dishonesty, the news of which has been buried under the current meltdown of the nation's economy, did not strike me as a topic for a Constitution Day speech. But a realistic discussion of the working of the separations of powers did seem a fitting topic, for college students need to understand the basics of our system. After we remind ourselves of those basics, Cheney's great lie can be viewed not only as a great immorality and violation of the criminal code, but also and more fundamentally as the significant breach of his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution that it is.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:56 PM
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1. Why isn't Armey speaking up, then? Why are all the Republicans still covering this up?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:01 PM
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2. cause they are cowards and should be held as accomplices.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:06 PM
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3. Per google, he has spoken up, written a book, etc. With all
the news this week, maybe it was overlooked? I don't know since I was without a computer until Wednesday.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=Dick+Armey+%2B+Cheney&btnG=Search+News
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:14 PM
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4. This is the first I've heard of it. The media is blacking it out.
Armey's revelation proves that the war was based on lies.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:20 PM
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5. First time I'd heard of it, too. You would think this would perhaps
be of importance to more people. John Dean seems to think so.
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Dinosaur13 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:42 PM
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18. I saw it on THE DAILY SHOW this week and
Gellman told this story to John Stewart.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 03:03 PM
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7. Republicans are traitors -- until proven otherwise
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:27 PM
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6. Why should anyone believe a thing Armey or Cheney either one has to say?
IMO They are both LIARS to the nth degree. I think Armey is trying to clear his name from such a colossal blunder although there may be a grain of truth in it. I suspect it was more like "This is what we will tell anyone if they don't buckle under right away"...Heh heh heh...
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 03:20 PM
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8. powerful final paragraph..calls Cheney's actions treasonous..no kidding..nt
Nonetheless, nothing is likely to happen to Cheney, for Congress is too busy dealing with the disastrous economy that he and Bush are leaving behind as they head for the door. No one seems inclined to hold Cheney responsible, and he appears totally unconcerned about the wrath of history. Yet in lying even to those in his own party, about reasons to go to war, he has sunk to a low level few have reached, and it is no hyperbole to call his actions treasonous to the structure and spirit of the Republic
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:42 PM
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20. Dean throws in the towel.
So we just accept their crimes and move on? Is that what he's saying? No. Moving on is not an option. Keep talking impeachment as pat_k has said and visit his website www.talkingimpeachment.com
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 03:27 PM
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9. How much money has Cheney earned while holding public office?
I don't think he started out as an extremely wealthy individual.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 03:58 PM
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10. Answer: zero
he hasn't actually earned anything. Now if you'd said looted, that would be different.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 03:59 PM
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11. W A R C R I M I N A L
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 04:01 PM by spanone
shame on the democrats for taking impeachment off the table. their refusal to stop them is as criminal as the crimes themselves.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 04:08 PM
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12. Cheney is a Sociopathetic Monstor.
Cheney needs to be charged with War Crimes. Impeachment will never happen but after he is out of office it is possible that he can be charged with War Crimes.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:41 PM
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19. He can actually still be impeached when he's out of office.
Despite what many believe, impeachment isn't limited to being done only when a person is in office. Other punishments include disqualifying that person from holding public office in the future and stripping them of their pensions.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:45 PM
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21. and tried as a war criminal


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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:48 PM
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22. !!
:hug: :pals: Great to see you, my friend. Every 'good vibe' I can muster to you, sir.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 02:07 PM
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23. It was great to read so many posts by those who were concerned about me.
... and a little embarrassing. :blush: :hug:



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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 04:10 PM
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13. I highly recommend Angler
That is, if you can stomach it. I'm about a third of the way through it and I've had to put it down frequently because it literally nauseates me.

From what I've read so far, Cheney has, in fact, been our president for the last seven plus years. No question about it.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 04:13 PM
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14. My question is: How many in the government have known this?
I'm guessing they've all understood this fact and yet have been powerless to do anything about it----pretty damn scary!!
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 04:25 PM
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15. They all know it
Because it's Cheney's government.

Remember the recount period in 2000? Cheney set up a shadow transition office in DC while Bush was still in Austin and stacked just about every department with his own people. More importantly, he put his own people in second-tier positions where policies often originate.

Bush ended up with almost no one he'd wanted in the Cabinet - they were all chosen by Cheney as well. And Cheney attended - and dominated - policy meetings that no VP had ever involved himself in, so when decisions finally ended up on Bush's desk they were shaped by Cheney and his people within the government. Bush just rubber-stamped it all.

It's a disgusting read but necessary to understand why the country is at the point of chaos. They're all Cheney policies, every last one.
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 04:51 PM
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16. We knew it all along.:(
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Dinosaur13 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:30 PM
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17. K&R
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:53 PM
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24. Treason, anyone?
If Armey is right, Dick Cheney has not only behaved improperly, but also criminally: In addition, when lying to Armey, Cheney clearly committed a "high crime or misdemeanor" in his blocking the Constitution's checks and balances from stopping our march into Iraq. During the debates that took place during the Constitution's ratification conventions, it was specifically stated that lying to Congress about matters of war would be an impeachable offense. Congress has also made it a crime.

Nonetheless, nothing is likely to happen to Cheney, for Congress is too busy dealing with the disastrous economy that he and Bush are leaving behind as they head for the door. No one seems inclined to hold Cheney responsible, and he appears totally unconcerned about the wrath of history. Yet in lying even to those in his own party, about reasons to go to war, he has sunk to a low level few have reached, and it is no hyperbole to call his actions treasonous to the structure and spirit of the Republic.
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