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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:51 PM
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"Pentecostals re-examining" controversial revival? Let them re-examine their own Palin worship.
The religion editor of the Lakeland Ledger says that pentecostals are doing some soul searching since the massive Lakeland revival led by the tattooed and controversial Todd Bentley.


Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley speaks during the "Florida Healing Outpouring" revival at The Lakeland Center on May 12, 2008.

That is not nearly enough re-examination. They have taken our country to the edge of a precipice, and many seem ready to take us over it.

Perhaps they will re-examine their hearts and souls enough to see if they really want a beauty queen for president, one who opposes the most basic things such as the choice of a rape victim not to bear that child.

Perhaps they will re-examine the choice of a woman whose main claim to fame is shooting moose and wolves, seeing Russia from her home....and thinking Iraq was a war in which we were led by God.


I am very skeptical of any self-examination unless it includes the fact that McCain has just sent the country reeling right back into the culture wars. Let them research that...let them examine their hearts about whether they have an obligation to help their fellow men.

Todd Bentley controversy leads to Pentecostal re-examination.

The giant white tents are gone now, and so are the crowds of thousands. The evangelist, disgraced, is in hiding. The revival carries on as a bare remnant of its former glory.



SCOTT WHEELER | THE LEDGER
APOSTLE RON JOHNSON speaks at the Lakeland Outpouring at Ignited Church on Wednesday. Since controversial evangelist and faith healer Todd Bentley has left the revival, crowds have dwindled dramatically. Charismatic Christian leaders are actively debating the legacy of the Florida Outpouring, which drew thousands from North America and around the world.


One effect of the revival was to provoke what some believe is a crisis in the Pentecostal community, or in that part of it known as "charismatic," meaning those who believe in powerful manifestations of God, such as speaking in tongues, faith healing and prophecy.

"Major Pentecostal figures have been alarmed because the Florida Outpouring epitomized recent excesses in the charismatic world. The dark side of the Florida Outpouring has been a wakeup call," said Jim Beverley, professor of Christian thought and ethics at Tyndale Seminary in Toronto, an evangelical who has studied the Pentecostal movement.


There is this one paragraph that shows me they really don't have a clue what John McCain has done in his pick of Sarah Palin. He did exactly what this pentecostal leader warned about.

"True revival will be accompanied by brokenness, humility, reverence and repentance - not the arrogance, showmanship and empty hype that often was on display in Lakeland."


McCain arrogantly and smugly picked a VP running mate using showmanship and empty hype.

Let there be enough stir in the hearts of those who have pushed for a theocracy to make them stop and think where we are going.

That is the only kind of self-examination that will count.


This is not about Todd Bentley and Joel's Army, and Arming for Armageddon.

This is about the fact that many of these pentecostals, evangelicals, Christians...whatever they call themselves...have closed their minds to the rest of us and treated us with disgust. It happened in families..mine. It happened in communities. It has happened all over our country.

Nice try, Cary McMullen, but not quite enough. Your column was thoughtful, but not enough.

We are on that precipice now, time to take sides or go over.






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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:06 PM
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1. With enough introspection, they may realize that they are all
screwed up. the placing of a hand on one's head, while using the other hand to empty one's wallet, well, that sums up the Pentacostal faith in a NUT shell.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:46 PM
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2. We were Southern Baptists until the Iraq War began.
The churches here supported the war with signs and sermons. We were called unpatriotic for opposing it.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:22 PM
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3. damn. nationalism can be so deadly, when mixed with religion.
and only the innocent suffer and die.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 03:11 PM
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4. "The dark side of the Florida Outpouring has been a wakeup call"
But my question is...a wake-up call to what? Will they wake up enough to see what they have wrought by McCain's choice of Palin...obviously in large part for her extreme religious views. He had to get this group on board...and it will harm our country. Their views are about their religion, not about the needs of our country.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20080913/NEWS/809130363/1410&title=Legacy_of_Lakeland_Revival_Debated#

"One effect of the revival was to provoke what some believe is a crisis in the Pentecostal community, or in that part of it known as "charismatic," meaning those who believe in powerful manifestations of God, such as speaking in tongues, faith healing and prophecy.

"Major Pentecostal figures have been alarmed because the Florida Outpouring epitomized recent excesses in the charismatic world. The dark side of the Florida Outpouring has been a wakeup call," said Jim Beverley, professor of Christian thought and ethics at Tyndale Seminary in Toronto, an evangelical who has studied the Pentecostal movement."

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 05:09 PM
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5. It is irresponsible to support a person who is unqualified because they are Christian.
It is not responsible behavior and it will hurt our country.

It makes me angry. I seldom pray much anymore because of what they have done to this country under George Bush.

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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:05 PM
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6. Todd. Rod, Joel, Sarah. Not apostles just more golden calves.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:08 PM
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7. I am tired of irresponsible religious people turning the country over...
to people who don't know about foreign policy and the economy...only electing them because they cater to their religious views.

Sick of it. They are hurting our country.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:11 PM
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8. Todd Bentley: Canada's long-delayed revenge
for the Aroostook War.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:14 PM
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9. "Florida Healing Outpouring"--overwrought name like "Operation Desert Eagle Intrepid Sperm" names
GOP, religionists, talk about overdramatic.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:17 PM
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10. Let them re-examine the ninth commandment.
One thing's for sure, the Spirit of God would NEVER kick a colon cancer patient in the stomach!

Let them get a conscience and a sense of shame - for what they have done with their votes! They are to blame for what has happened, and what will happen, as much as Bush.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:09 PM
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19. They are acting the opposite of Christ-like.
They are harming our country.
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liberal_rxstudent Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:22 PM
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11. I am far from the religious
type, though my oldest sister is a hard-core Pentecostal. However, I'd say that her entire church is pretty liberal- leaning (or, in other words- NOT McSame/ Palin supporters). They even believe in that thing called "separation of church and state" and although they have their beliefs about what they feel is right/ wrong, generally, they are accepting and open-minded...and don't impose their beliefs onto others. A few years ago, I had a friend who was heavily involved with another pentecostal church, and it was hell for me to even have a simple conversation with any of her fellow pentecostals {too closed-minded and righteous for my tastes}. I like to believe that there are more sensible religious folk out there than what I've been hearing about for the past few years--i.e. those 'value voters' :eyes:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:44 PM
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12. Todd Bentley is a convicted pedophile
who brings kids up on stage to "slay them in the spirit," and create an army of young people to do his bidding... for Jesus, of course... that involves violence toward others.

and this, in itself, was not bothersome to the Pentacostals?

Personally, I would not be surprised if the repukes rigged elections, yet again. In which case I would say that I will make sure I can defend myself against the Talibornagains.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:00 PM
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14. Yes, he is. Yet he drew thousands each night, over 35, 000 a week.
from all over the world. Sadly.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:49 PM
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13. That's what all these 'revivals' have been about for as long as I've
been alive. I'm only 41, but grew I'm Assemblies of God and they've all been like that, or spoken of that way. They are waiting, praying for the 'big revival'. blah blah. I could go on, but why.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:14 PM
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15. You don't get it.
They just got one of their own nominated as VP.

That's power, and they are in effect pretty much in control in a very irresponsible way.

I grew up going to revivals...they are emotional.

This is different.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:47 PM
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16. Pentacostals are mentally ill n/t
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:23 AM
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17. what a great headline you have given this journal entry. eom.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:12 AM
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18. They are putting their religion over the good of the country...Palin is not qualified.
It truly angers me so much I can not turn on the TV cable news anymore.

They need to stop that group thinking and think for themselves in a clear way.

I know too many people like this. In 2003 one lady attacked me verbally in my own home for criticizing the war in Iraq. She was yelling that God put Bush in power to lead that war. I said God and Bush picked the wrong country. That really set her off.

No one really believed it was that bad then, but they believe me now.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 05:12 PM
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20. plus she doesn't know what she doesnt know--on more than one level.
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