What's with all the "leave it alone" bullshit??

[Ghost in the Machine]

I swear some of you sound like the "Dry Powder Gang" and the Impeachnophobes... lack of intestinal fortitutde will get your ass kicked in politics every time....

Get a grip already, will you? It's not the time to play nice. The repiglicans never play nice & it's time to beat them at their own game... They didn't leave Amy Carter alone, they didn't leave Chelsea Clinton alone and they didn't leave Bill Clinton's sex life alone, did they? It's time to play smashmouth politics, if you're too weak, go sit on the porch. In case you've never heard, nice guys finish last.. just ask Al Gore & John Kerry...

Load up and hit 'em with both barrels.. hit 'em with everything you've got...(and according to the repig playbook, it doesn't even have to be true, just repeat it enough and people will start believing it)

[Curtland1015]

1. I agree 100%... this is HUGE for us!

If we can hammer home just how sad, ridiculous, and shameful this attempt was to cry wolf, the Repugs could be a laughing stock!

[WritersBlock]

2. Kick & Rec.

Well said.

[HVAC600]

3. post?

How many replys do I need before I can post my own thread?

[tnlefty]

10. Welcome to DU HVAC600!

The number of posts is unknown. If you have a topic that you would like to have started you may ask another member to begin that thread for you. :hi:

[fla nocount]

27. If you were to contribute before asking rhetorical questions...

you would get a lot of welcomes.

[juajen]

37. It is not necessary to contribute before posting here.

Check the rules.

[question everything]

42. Which is suprising to see this poster banned already

As you say, this is not a condition.

[EFerrari]

4. What are you talking about? Is this Inscrutable Day or something?

:)

[smirkymonkey]

5. K&R

:kick:

[OwnedByFerrets]

6. K and R

[MNDemNY]

7. And making stuff up is fair game, as well, it seems.

[nichomachus]

8. K&R K&R K&R

[Joe Chi Minh]

9. K&R

[philly_bob]

11. There's smarm and bile ... and then there's election reform.

Be as nasty as you like. If the Republicans get away with cheating on the vote counting, you lose. And you will have alienated new voters and decent people.

Fight fair -- but fight REAL HARD to make sure every vote is counted! Then, brass knuckles are allowed.

[nichomachus]

13. Smarm and bile have been part of US politics since about 1777

[philly_bob]

30. Was there an Ann Coulter in the 18th century calling for death to all liberals?

Seriously, I don't have enough history to compare the levels of smarm and bile. Perhaps there's always been a party of the (few) wealthy and a party of the (many) commonfolk. The outnumbered wealthy ALWAYS have to resort to outrageous and unethical tactics.

And my main point: all these questions of tactics and rhetoric don't matter if the other guy has hacked the voting machines.

Personally, I'd feel better if my party took the high road. And I think Obama's doing that.

[nichomachus]

36. In the beginning

both parties were the party of the wealthy -- there was no party of the commonfolk.

The first contested election was between Jefferson and Adams and it was, for the mores of its time, pretty nasty.

No, there was no Ann Coulter -- but I don't consider her part of the political process -- just a crazy woman who is given too much consideration by the media.

[philly_bob]

52. That sounds right. When did two-wealthy-party setup change? Or did it?

Do you agree that NOW there is a party of the interests of the wealthy and a party of the interests of the commonfolk?

And if so, when did one of the wealthy parties change?

There's always been a weird switcheroo in American History that has confused me. Before the Civil War, the Republicans were anti-slavery/liberal and the Democrats were pro-slavery/conservative. Abolitionist Frederick Turner & Abe Lincoln were Republican, for example. Is that part of it?

[nichomachus]

55. No, I don't agree

Actually, now it's worse than it's ever been. Corporate interests control both parties.

The U.S. political system has been carefully crafted to ensure that no one who questions the natural goodness of the military-industrial-corporate power structure will be allowed through the portals of power.

It’s not a real choice. It’s an apparent choice. Like choosing a brand of detergent. Whether you buy Ivory Snow or Tide, they’re both owned by Proctor & Gamble.

This doesn’t mean that one takes a position that is without nuance, that the Congress and the BJP, New Labor and the Tories, the Democrats and Republicans are the same. Of course, they’re not. Neither are Tide and Ivory Snow. Tide has oxy-boosting and Ivory Snow is a gentle cleanser.

Arundhati Roy

http://www.alterinfos.org/spip.php?article1622

[Art_from_Ark]

72. I think the powers behind the Republican Party

have always been the money grubbers. To them, the Civil War was more about controlling the economy of the South than it was about ending slavery. Lincoln did what they wanted him to do (defeat the South), and then they bumped him off. Lincoln's successor was given hell for the next 4 years (including being impeached), then they got their man Grant in the White House whose administration became known for its corruption (but Grant was beyond reproach). The Liberal wing of the Republican Party challenged Grant's wing in the Election of 1872 in the candidacy of Horace Greely ("Go West, young man!"), who was defeated, paving the way for 4 more years of Grant administration corruption.

Then, in 1876, the Republicans stole the election from the real winner, Democrat Samuel Tilden, but the Democrats allowed the Republican candidate, Rutherford Hayes, to become President, if the Republicans would end "Reconstruction". The Republicans, feeling that their carpetbaggers had probably squeezed enough out of the South, agreed, believing that a Hayes administration would continue the "tradition" of the Grant administration. When Hayes turned out to be not so bad, they dumped him for James Garfield in 1880. Garfield apparently wanted to be a more liberal President, so he was bumped off and his Vice President, Chester Arthur, took over. But Arthur wasn't as bad as the party bigwigs had hoped he would be, so they dumped him in 1884 in favor of James G. Blaine, who ended up losing to Democrat Grover Cleveland.

[depakid]

73. Andrew Jackson was arguably the 1st President to represent the "common folk"

and what he did wasn't pretty on ANY front.

Spoils system, Trail of Tears, gutting the economy.

Ironically, kinda like Bush in those respects.

[PVnRT]

53. People were afraid Jefferson would steal their bibles

Warren Harding's possible black ancestor resulted in some nasty shit in 1920.

There are many other examples, but to pretend that this is somehow something new is just naive.

[philly_bob]

57. I am relatively weak on American political history and withdraw.

But you guys make some good points and I'd like to see this hashed out in its own thread some day. Something like:

Whose interests do American political parties represent, and have they changed over time?

[bertman]

12. HALLELUJAH!!!! there is a Gawd after all. Thank you Ghost in the Machine.

HIT 'EM WITH BOTH BARRELS

AMEN

AND PASS THE AMMO!!

[ixion]

14. big K and R

very well said. :applause: :woohoo:

[backscatter712]

15. Damn fucking straight

The rethugs might say that they'd be nice if we were nice. They never are. They'll slime us whether we play by the rules or not.

So fuck it. Let's give them a reason to slime us. At least we might earn some fucking respect.

[Growler]

16. I totally agree with you!

[tnlefty]

17. I hear ya!

It seems that we always have to play rough and tumble in this state. I just make certain that the facts I use are correct - then blast.

Perhaps I should reconsider and start some whisper campaigns that are comparable to the ones that the repubs are infamous for starting here.

Give'em hell, Ghost!

[SIMPLYB1980]

18. K&R!

[HughMoran]

19. He better do something or I'm gonna start kicking Republicans ass myself

I can't fucking stand this crap any more.

[politicasista]

23. He is doing something

But it's not good enough I guess.

[HughMoran]

26. I'm on the edge of my seat

I feel like rioting now I'm so angry. WTF is wrong with McCain - he's turned into Karl Roves brother. Someone needs to kick some ass - and soon.

[fla nocount]

20. It's the DLC/Blue dogs that have infiltrated....

undoubtedly drawn by the keyword "Democratic" and wanting everyone on this board to ascribe to the methods that lose elections.

I sense a disturbance in the force that suggests that these professional infiltrators may have even "volunteered" to moderate this board so don't "call out" someone who walks down the middle of the road.

http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/l/loudonwainwright8109/deadskunk283335.html

They won't tombstone you, Skinner won't let them, they'll simply use a loophole in the rules to lock the thread. They're not lone wolves, you can recognize them by the fact that they travel in packs.

[RB TexLa]

21. I am DLC and I am all for attacking, swiftboating and using any means

available to win. I grew up in Louisiana and at the end of a campaign you want your opponent to wish they had never been born.

Truths, half truths, out and out lies, doesn't matter, ATTACK, ATTACK!

[fla nocount]

24. Hey there Yella Dog...you lost?

You're not DLC unless you're a party firster. Democrats don't need leaders, they need viable candidates who don't have to rent, borrow or steal a spine. People like this don't run in packs, they stand alone, the rest will just naturally follow.

[Individualist]

61. Hear, hear!

DLC's mantra is "Play nice with neocons".

[wildbilln864]

22. well friggin said Ghost!

Time to rock the party or go home! :grr:

[JVS]

25. Best OP Evar!

[Ghost in the Machine]

28. Thanks for all the recs!

Here's a :kick: to go with them...

[Stinky The Clown]

29. R#30

:thumbsup:

[Philosoraptor]

31. Fuckin' A

[WillowTree]

32. Damned straight. After all, it's been helping Obama SO much so far, hasn't it?

[TexasObserver]

33. Agreed. Whiners need to stay home. This ain't for candy asses.

Why do we always have to hear from the handful of professional handwringers when OUR side is attacked? "Watch out," they plead. "Don't talk back, don't fight back, don't offend anyone!"

Fuck that.

[D23MIURG23]

34. Leave what alone?

Sorry... I'm out of the loop.

[Edweird]

35. The best defense is a brutal, overwhelming, crushing offense.

Keep at it until they stop flinching when you kick them in the face.....

[DearAbby]

38. We are fighting for our country....Why the hell should we hold back?

I don't understand this mindset. With the stakes this high, we should be fighting with everything we have. EVERYTHING

[pitohui]

39. i don't know, ghost, some people are just determined to lose

i'm tired of the "beautiful losers" also

there is too much at stake to put one's ego above the urgent need to win this fight

[Lorien]

40. Trolls

and DLC types. Winning isn't part of their agenda.

[Dr Fate]

70. LOL! I was going to correct you and add "and DLC types"- but you had it covered!

n/t

[VOX]

41. The high-road and kid-glove days are over; from here on, it's fang and claw.

It's **ALL** fair game. The stakes couldn't be higher -- America cannot survive another right-wing administration.

No quarter. No quarter whatsoever. :nuke:

[Binka]

44. Purrfect Kat! Fang And Claw Let's Rip Them To God Damn Shreds

These bastards have shoved us under the bus, tossed our asses to the curb, left us without hope, all because they are GREEDY GREEDY GREEDY SOBs. We need to remind them that they WORK for us GOD DAMNIT! If they don't get our message softly let's rip their throats out. I am so ready to kick some GOD DAMN ass I can hardly sit in my seat. Peace and out. To Dem's of course, the REPUKES can suck my ASS.

[NoSheep]

43. Damn Straight.

[Hawkowl]

45. Kick them until they stop breathing

Never, ever let up. Even after we've won.

[tekisui]

65. And, then kick them again!

[anigbrowl]

46. So how many lies are you prepared to tell to win?

If I want to be in a party that lies, smears, and fucks people over, I'll join the GOP. You're all talk, but you don't have any specifics - in other words, a jerk-off artist.

[Disturbed]

48. No need to tell lies or half truths about McClown &/or Pitbull.

The facts are all that are needed.

Here are a few facts about the Asshole McClown.

John McCain embraces GW Bush & his failed policies.

The short list

For overturning Rove v Wade

Iraq,

Top end tax cuts

Privatization of Social Security

Unraveling employer based health care,

Cuban embargo.

More tax breaks for Big Business

Against Equal Pay

Illegal Spying on Americans

Busholini Policy of Torture

Against new GI Bill

Offshore oil drilling

Big Tax Breaks for Oil Corps

Denying Habeous Corpus

[anigbrowl]

58. And? We're hitting him with that stuff already

Just not often enough to satisfy you apparently.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

71. Overwhelmingly a LCD circle jerk, the mindset of this thread will...

produce one benefactor and that is Sarah Palin.

[Quantess]

47. What is "Dry Powder Gang"? Is that a western movie?

Starring Robert Redford? LOL. Please explain it to people like me, who don't understand the "Dry Powder Gang" reference. :-)

[lonestarnot]

49. Stomp their fucking asses just like my hat!

[Norrin Radd]

50. kr

[barbtries]

51. i'm with you

they need to be called out on their lies constantly.

[intheflow]

54. At least we have truth on our side in this case.

We can talk for days between the Bush admin's screwups on economy, environment, war and peace, education, you name it, to McCain's record with the Keating 5 and PTSD outbursts, to Palin's Troopergate. We don't have to repeat lies b/c the truth is so much more damning.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

56. Stand up and fight! Don't take no for an answer!

Demand the Admins. create a Forum for the DU Lowest Common Denominators.
This thread alone is evidence that the LCD's need and deserve a place
of their very own to call home.

[Codeine]

59. Yeah, they went after Clinton with both barrels

and he left office with a 68% approval rating and won both of his election campaigns, now he's one of the most influential civilians in the nation. Fat lot of good that did 'em.

[deutsey]

60. Bush-league psych-out shit, man. n/t

[crickets]

62. Thank you! K&R -nt

[closeupready]

63. Thank you! Big K&R

n/t

[asteroid2003QQ47]

64. C'mon admins, these LCD's deserve their own forum,...

undeniably they've got the numbers but they're too modest (or something) to ask
so I'll ask for them, how about it?
----------------------------------------------------
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.
--Narrator, IDIOCRACY

[FLAprogressive]

66. K+R!

[Vincardog]

67. Load up and hit 'em with both barrels. IF they get up Load up and hit 'em with both barrels again.

If they don't get up Load up and hit 'em with both barrels anyway the un-dead never die.

[my2sense]

68. Agreed n/t

[Dr Fate]

69. I've been saying this for 8 years. I hope not to say it for another 4 or longer. n/t

n/t

[DailyGrind51]

74. If you want to lose "Choice", leave "it" alone!

Frankly, I don't give a damn that McCain was a POW or that Palin is a woman, they both stand in the way of the restoring adherence to the U.S. Constitution and restoring the rule of law.