What really happened in 2004 with Kerry and the decision not to fight?

[Peregrine Took]

I had always heard that Edwards wanted to fight it but Kerry refused to do so. He had a "case closed" attitude and that was it.

Now I heard on Thomm Hartman's show that there is a reference to this incident in Woodward's new book in that (supposedly) Kerry wanted to fight and was going to go to Ohio asap and "camp out" until he got it straightened out.

Carville, upon hearing this, then went and called Matalin and told her Kerry's plans and she went to Cheney and told him. Someone (I forget who) in Bush's White House called Ken Blackwell and got him to dig in and not to cooperate with Kerry.

Anyone know what the real story was?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. I'd love to know

Kerry gave every indication that it wasn't over, and that he would take the fight to Ohio.

Then, suddenly, it was over.

Just like that.

I often wondered what they had on Kerry that caused him to fold so instantly.

And, of course, the good old boys of Skull and Crossbones came to mind.

I doubt we'll ever find out.

[Nihil]

7. I'm with you on this

> I often wondered what they had on Kerry that caused him to fold so instantly.

> And, of course, the good old boys of Skull and Crossbones came to mind.

The "Skulls & Bones effect" has a damn big chance IMO.
Mind you, so is the simple "I know where your family live" ploy.

> I doubt we'll ever find out.

Sad isn't it? All those wasted lives, all that corruption & greed,
all that could have been yet wasn't and we will never know the true
reasons behind it.

:shrug:

[Firespirit]

2. I have spoken personally with Kerry on this.

It is a myth that Edwards pushed for it and Kerry vetoed it. They both wanted to go for it, until the numbers of provisional ballots came out (after Carville's sell-out -- I believe Woodward's account) in the morning. That is why they did not concede at night; they were waiting to see what the figures looked like in the morning. But by then the dirty work had already been done in Warren Cty (home of the fake terror alert) and elsewhere.

[PATRICK]

5. That would seem more logical

Actually all that we have to the contrary is an instant myth based on Edwards' public statement which was intended to forestall unconditional surrender in case they could find a way. People watching, angry as hell with Kerry clung to that and Edwards in their disillusionment. It spread as a argument, this read, but evidence kept coming out that Kerry was looking for ways around it, but more fatally than Gore, conceding any public protest of the fraud and suppression in the really vain search for a loophole the better prepared cheaters might have missed.

It was in vain in 2000 that Gore pursued a recount that the GOP had already planned to successfully head off in the House once the Florida elector slate was prematurely confirmed. It was in vain he went against the legal state moves on GOP cheaters' home ground. It was in vain that demonstrably and by common sense he had actually won the election. Kerry represented the next stage of submission and no preparation for the increased levels and new types of fraud and deception while suffering more subtly oblique MSM trashing.

As the MSM with the help of craven, stupid mea culpa Dem and liberal institutions, turned the lights out on plain truth as the suckers tried patiently, stoically, ever rigidly politely and futilely to find a way other than insurrection to restore democracy. The myth was some comfort that someone up there for once was dealing with the real score. In fact no one on the entire top echelon of society was doing anything but treason, getting fooled, settling for rules of meaningless myth and courtesy. Cutely, Kerry bore the brunt of the subtext to take the heat from ALL sides, even those subtexts denied by the media all bundled into one rough beast of a reputation. He bore it strongly and well.

And the GOP keeps cheating and we keep dying.

[kimmerspixelated]

3. I think you're basically right.

I've definitely read that Carville was the one who planted the seed, so that much is right. Matalin must've been a bitch to even consider working for Cheney, but Carville is just a snoop for the left, and that was a nice term.

On the other hand, the Bushites are very much like the mafioso. Cheney might have threatened Kerry's family!

[ladywnch]

4. I had heard this story about Carville/Matalin before and it makes

about as much sense as anything else does. I wouldn't trust Carville with ANY information. I think he is just a slack-jawed, loud-mouthed slime ball who would sell out his own mother.

[Cleita]

6. I was listening to that too.

Also, it seems that the flipping of the vote machine votes was interstate, so it appears like it was a well-planned operation. Really, were are the prosecutors sending subpoenas to these people and charging them with vote tampering? I'm sure there are laws against it

[dysfunctional press]

8. it's not going to get us our 4-8 years of life back, nor the dead innocent civilians in iraq.

it's the rich men's world- we just live here.