It's called TICKET fixing, MSM!! Palin and the unrestrained Trig

[rainbow4321]

I swear, MSM couldn't find their asses with their hands if their lives depended on it.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6871512&mesg_id=6871512


http://www.andrewhalcro.com/rumors_weve_heard_-_thoughts_we_have


With special investigator Steve Branchflower now on the job and soliciting tips through an anonymous tip line as to why Monegan got fired, I thought we'd throw out two of the more interesting theories we've heard over the last few days from various sources that have not been verified.

The disappearance of traffic tickets given to the governor or the failure to give the governor traffic tickets for moving violations such as having her child in a proper restraint.

The governor's propensity for calling her security detail and telling them that she was in a hurry and did not want to be stopped for speeding on her drive into Anchorage.

Both issues were apparently being challenged by Monegan


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26583001

Sept. 7, 2008
One Friday in June, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin joined the chief of the state prison system on a tour of the Point MacKenzie Correctional Farm, a 90-minute drive north of Anchorage. It was a routine visit but for the presence of the governor's infant son, Trig.

Palin held her baby in her arms as the warden drove a short distance around the facility, said corrections director Joe Schmidt, who sat next to Palin. A few days later, the governor got a warning from her public safety commissioner that someone had complained that she did not strap Trig into a car seat for the ride.

Palin dismissed the complaint as petty, and the commissioner, whom she appointed, took no formal action. But the incident shows the degree to which family and politics are bound together in Palin's career.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. So this would be the second time we know of that shows that she endangered the life of her child.

The first of course with the Very Poor Judgment of traveling to Alaska to deliver Trig, which took over 24 hours once her water broke.

Ooops! Forgot to add... also another case of abuse of power. This is not a small issue. A child's life was placed in jeopardy.

[Lars39]

2. OT, but look what I found:

I wonder if you have to be a christian in order to get into a "transitional" house?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.alaskacorrectionalministries.org/pages/staff.html&h=412&w=544&sz=19&hl=en&start=1&um=1&usg=__HxkyS5hZYCYjDDyBQSA21m3NGpY=&tbnid=fqGAlJM2kxf_FM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPoint%2BMacKenzie%2BCorrectional%2BFarm%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

3. That is frigging scary.

[notadmblnd]

13. heres the list of the people who are in charge of these "ministries"

Point MacKenzie Rehabilitation Farm


* Chaplain Frank Blodgett
* Phone [phone]

Yukon-Kuskokwin Correctional Center

* Chaplain Daniel Picazo
* Phone [phone]

Wildwood Correctional Center & Pre-trial

* Chaplain Dave Arestad
* Phone [phone]


Spring Creek Correctional Center

* Chaplain Dave Arestad
o Phone [phone]

* Chaplain Steven Taylor
o Phone [phone]


TLC Palmer Correctional Center

* Chaplain Dean Hendrickson, TLC Program Director
o Phone [phone]

* Chaplain Paul Schindler, TLC Counselor
o Phone [phone] ext.329


Palmer Correctional Center

* Chaplain Gerald Silliman
* Phone [phone]


Mat-Su Pre-Trial

* Chaplain Paul Riley
* Phone [phone]


Lemon Creek Correctional Center

* Chaplain George Sturm
* Phone [phone]

Ketchikan Correctional Center

* Chaplain Bill White
* Phone. [phone]

Hiland Mountain Correctional Center

* Chaplain Frank Blodgett
* 907.696.9128


Fairbanks Correctional Center

* Chaplain Robert Stephens
* 907.458.6779


Anvil Mountain Correctional Center

* Chaplain Youl Rhee
* Phone. [phone]


Anchorage Correctional Complex

* Chaplain Sam Humphreys
* Phone [phone]

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. Alaska's correctional system has become a theocracy.

[Beam Me Up]

17. Here is the link to the page outside of the google mishmash:

http://www.alaskacorrectionalministries.org/pages/staff.html

[Beam Me Up]

18. You out to start a new thread with this. n/t

[lonestarnot]

23. Private prison industry at work there I see. Pays to have prisoners these days.

And people wonder about why we have the largest prison population in the world? hmmmmmf!

[lonestarnot]

24. This deserves a thread of its own. Please put it up! Pretty please!

[TexasLady]

4. they crucified ol Britney for that child seat story

these 'Palin family values' fit right in with R ticket

[nichomachus]

5. How many times do we have to go over this before you lefty liberals get it

Pro-lifers only care about fetuses. Once the kid is born, he's on his own.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. RW creed - caring about life begins at conception and ends at birth.

What utter hypoctrites.

[unblock]

7. why not replace her with britney! she'd make a great veep candidate for mclame!

[bertman]

8. This is molehill-into-mountain stuff. With so many SERIOUS issues to nail Palin on let's not

dilute the effect by nit-picking.

Think about it. The mother of an INFANT is being driven around a corrections facility on an OFFICIAL TOUR. They are not zipping along the highway or even on a city street. More than likely the drive is at a slow speed so the corrections director can show the Guv what's going on at the facility.

What mother wouldn't take her INFANT out of the baby seat and hold it during a brief tour of that nature? INFANT, people, INFANT. If she had left it in the car seat, somebody would be squalling about what an unfit mother she was.

Look, she's a lying Repuke, separationist, fascist, but THIS IS NOT the incident to nail her on. Let's keep a perspective on this stuff or we'll generate more sympathy for her for piling on.

[Fumesucker]

9. Even fender benders at quite low speed can be dangerous to a child..

I strap my grandkids in just to drive around a parking lot, the car does not roll until the kids are strapped in, period.

In some ways low speed is even more dangerous because people pay less attention to their driving the slower they are traveling.

[Obamanaut]

14. How did we survive childhood in the days prior to seat belts,

child restraints, seats for infants/children of various ages, sizes, and weights - and the laws relating to them?

[Fumesucker]

22. Some of us didn't..

Survive childhood that is..

[EOTE]

40. That's a really silly question.

Kind of like asking how did we survive before penicillin. For those who succumbed to bacterial infections, they didn't. Do you suggest making proper restraints optional for infants/toddlers?

[rainbow4321]

10. Ongoing PATTERN of abuse of power!!!

Starting with the Wasilla police chief, the librarian, THESE 2 alleged ticket fixing attempts, troopergate...the firing of the guy who Todd Palin didn't like because the guy was dating his buddy's ex wife


Look at the big picture, not the individual events.


The online community needs to keep DIGGING and exposing because, as evidenced by this MSNBC online article, each event is being glossed over and excused.

[robinlynne]

11. But look at reply #2!! link to "correctional ministries" church taking over prisons?

[madeline_con]

12. I wouldn't squall.

My kids left the facilities they were born in strapped in car seats. They NEVER went anywhere unless they were in one, until they were big enough for a booster. Now, no one rides in my vehicle without a seat belt.

It's the law because it saves lives.

[bertman]

15. madeline, you are to be applauded for your diligence in protecting your children while in transit.

But, if we keep picking on every LITTLE thing that Palin has done that some people think are bad things, we are going to generate more sympathy for her and make us Dems look like bullies.

Just sayin'.

[WritersBlock]

19. If we are to believe Sarah Palin's own words, she has made it abundantly clear that she doesn't mind

being reckless with that child's life. I speak of her own story of making an 11-hour flight and then driving to a rural hospital *knowing* that her water had broken. If her story is true, then it displayed a blatant disregard for the life of that child.

So does having him in a car unrestrained, regardless of the expected low speed or short duration of the journey.

And if she treats her own child's life with such a cavalier attitude, then she surely shouldn't be put in a position of having power over millions of other children's futures.

I don't think it's bullying at all to point that out.

[Pithlet]

25. Nope. Infants should be strapped in. Period.

If the car is moving at all. What she did was dangerous and reckless.

[bertman]

28. Welcome to the world where the adherence to the law down to the last semi-colon is

required.

Forget common sense and all of our mothers' instincts to protect us from danger.

Forget circumstances where the law may not apply.

Forget any situation where a rational, thinking human being may substitute his/her judgment for the letter of the law.

Please require the police to monitor us via video while we are in our vehicles so that we will not transgress the law.

Please require the authorities to place cameras on every streetlight, at every building entrance, in every nook and cranny, so we may be observed and MADE TO OBEY EVERY LAW ALL THE TIME.


Please bring the Police State down upon us, for we are not strapping in our toddlers for every moment they are in our cars.

OH THE HORROR!!

[kayell]

29. This isn't about legality so much as responsibility

Responsible parents put their children in a car seat. Car seats are proven to save children's lives. Sarah Palin has proven herself again and again not to be a responsible person, either as a parent or as a governor. That's what this is about.

Or are you just trying to deflect from your own parental irresponsibility by going off on some stupid and irrelevant "police state" rant? Too much trouble to put your kids in their car seat? Gosh, what a hassle. Evil, evil state, trying to protect the kids (and reduce the cost of supporting severely disabled children who've been through unprotected car wrecks).

:eyes:

[bertman]

34. No, it's about trying SO HARD to find something more about Sarah Palin that you lose perspective.

But it's possible that you may be an analist who doesn't have the ability to understand when there are legitimate exceptions to the rules. Here's an example that may help to explain what I'm trying to say.

You are driving with your family in your car. You're on a two-lane road with a double yellow center line that prevents cars from passing. You are forced to stop behind a stalled vehicle that is blocking your lane of traffic. The driver of the stalled car says the tow truck will arrive in twenty minutes. The oncoming traffic is fairly steady but there are occasional gaps in the flow so that you can safely pull into the oncoming lane, go around the other vehicle that is stalled, then proceed safely in your traffic lane.

The line of cars behind you is growing. You think of your lovely wife beside you and your two children who are sitting in the back seat. The safety of all of them is IN YOUR HANDS. If you are an analist you will sit behind the stalled vehicle until the tow truck arrives and hauls it away, clearing the travel lane so you and your family can safely proceed.

However, if you are a normal, rational human being, you will wait until there is a gap in the oncoming traffic that allows you to safely go around the stalled vehicle and safely proceed on your way.

OH MY GOD YOU HAVE VIOLATED A HIGHWAY SAFETY LAW, AND SUBJECTED YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY TO POSSIBLE ANNIHILATION IN THE PROCESS. YOU SHOULD BE LOCKED UP. NOT!!

Now, if you called the police and reported the driver who went around the stalled vehicle, you would certainly be entirely accurate that the driver made an illegal and potentially dangerous move. On the other hand, any sane person would think you were freakin nuts for even bringing it up.


Of course, if we had video cams on every telephone pole along the roadway we could identify those reckless yellow-line crossers and put them away for good, couldn't we?? ((-;

[kayell]

35. Hysterical much? Translating your personal experience to Palins?

By the way, your CAPS key is stuck.

Added: Incidentally, endangering your own child is an issue that mothers very much see as indicative of a person's character.

[bertman]

37. HA HA. You're quite the humorist, kayell.

[Fumesucker]

38. You are entirely wrong..

It is not illegal to pass a stopped vehicle on a road with a double yellow line..

Double yellow lines mean NO PASSING, which is defined as driving around a moving vehicle.

[bertman]

45. Okay, Fumesucker, change my story to read "a vehicle that is barely moving."

Thanks for the clarification.

[kiranon]

44. Horror, guilt and shame forever when your child is injured/dies.

Following the letter and intent of the law when it comes to children makes sense. I don't care if an adult chooses to go without a seatbelt but the child does not have a say in the matter. So, it is incumbent on parents/adults to make the correct decision to protect them not to put them in harm's way. That is why in some states parents can be prosecuted for child endangerment or manslaughter if they are in an accident and their child is injured/dies and the child was not seatbelted.

[kiranon]

43. Agree absolutely. Gov. should model responsibility not flaunt it.

Traffic accidents represent a large part of the deaths of and injury to children under 5. These are often children who were not seat belted. There is nothing minor or petty about this. Not using a seatbelt for Trig was, IMHO, irresponsible and indicates a lack of interest in watching out for a living child's health and safety. Whose interest was protected - Palin's who did not want to be inconvenienced even for her special needs baby.

[bullwinkle428]

36. WRONG - this charge makes her look like Britney Freaking Spears!!

I wonder how soon it will be before we have footage of her flashing the photographers getting out of a limo...

[L. Coyote]

39. Let's run a campaign on this trivia, and see who wins, okay?

NOT ROFLMAO at how stupid this stuff is, because it is intended to detract from the ISSUES!

[Contrary1]

41. This mother would not have...

If the car was moving, the kid was strapped in. Period.

[AzDar]

20. She's dangerous on many levels. Someone like this doesn't even belong in the PTA let alone

being a moosehair away from the White House.:mad:

[LeftishBrit]

21. Poor little thing. Mum seems very reckless,

What is it about Republicans and disobeying laws about driving? Both Bush and Cheney had drunk driving convictions IIRC.

[arthritisR_US]

26. why am I not surprised ? n/t

[secondwind]

27. I'm not a Palin fan by any means, BUT it is common in small towns not to obey speeding tix, child

restraint laws, etc.

We just came back to MA from NH yesterday, and I was amazed that folks in NH (in the small towns we visited) did not obey seat belt laws, or speeding laws, etc.

[Crunchy Frog]

30. I wonder if she's trying to get that kid killed.

She's already scored all the political points she can from him. He's just an inconvenience to her now.

[Obamanaut]

31. That is one of the sickest posts I've read here. nt

[Crunchy Frog]

33. Well I'm glad I could get a rise out of someone.

:evilgrin:

[kitkat65]

32. It's not speeding if the governor does it.

Forget the car seat, what about taking your kid to a correctional facility? Whaaa? Maybe it's a halfway house situtaion and maybe they are non-violent inmates, but still. Would you take your kid to a correctional facility?

[LeftyMom]

42. It only takes one to decide the kid would make a good hostage, etc.

That's definitely the bigger issue here.

I'm all for moms working with kids, involving them in their lives and work as much as is reasonable, etc, but there really are some times when it's better to get a sitter. Even if that person just takes a baby for a walk outside the grounds while you do your tour.