Feb 25, 2008.. 7 months pregnant?? you decide

[SoCalDem]

?very large pic


This was taken at the Nat'l Gov's assn meeting this year..a week before she said she was 7 months pregnant...

http://www.nga.org/portal/site/nga

[Crankie Avalon]

1. It's little Juneau!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[TexasObserver]

41. I can't believe it's been 3 hours and no one has applauded your post.

I've never been ashamed of DU until this moment. It's outrageous that no one has given your post recognition.

On behalf of gadfly posters, I say "well done, sir!"

[bluesmail]

77. not to be rude but there's DUers on the left coast who don't

view The Greatest Page till we get home from work. Peace

[TexasObserver]

144. and today?

This is why every day I ponder whether DU is doing all it can.

How can posters be so cruel as to ignore the obviously funny post, such as the one which started this subthread? I'm concerned. Concerned about what it says about US, as DUers.

Gloom, despair, and agony on me.

[bulloney]

182. How convenient that she was in the front row of the picture pose.

[madaboutharry]

2. She is wearing a coat.

But at 7 months most women are obviously pregnant.

[seabeyond]

8. unless you are 15 and first preg.... then it is still baggy clothes ect...

i can see a kids getting away with it for 7 months and unobservant and oh too busy parents

[LiberalHeart]

79. I wasn't. And my daughter didn't show even when she was 9 months pregnant.

[goddess40]

133. someone needs to find pictures of her during other pregnancies

but since her time in the public spot light is so extremely limited that might be a difficult task.

I don't really care about this but if it's true that's a really shitty thing to do to this kid, when he finds out the truth it will mess him up. I know as I saw it happen in my extended family.

Also she's lied about other things that are far more important, politically, that is. So I say leave the bad parent side alone, anyone that burdens their children with names like she did either is sadistic or clueless about how nasty kids at school can be.

[MrMickeysMom]

3. Huh?

I need a clue here who I'm looking for!

[Quantess]

59. Agreed.

I wish the links were more persuasive. I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for.

[cynthia]

78. first row, second from left

that is governor Palin of Alaska and she is 7 months pregnant with the child who is now 4 months old and has Down Syndrome. She has had at least four other children, and most women on a second or third or FIFTH pregnancy would be looking very pregnant at 7 months along.

[MrMickeysMom]

96. Yeah... I think I jumped on this thread too soon with comment

Doesn't look pg to me either.

Wonder if AK's web site has an archive of pix... ah, nevermind...

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. Ed Rendell looks like his carrying twins!

He does love those cheesesteaks.

[NightWatcher]

5. no way, we've got to make this a story on the MSM. It does have "sex" in it so it might fly

this reaks of BS and we need to nail her on it

[seabeyond]

6. oh no fuckin way..... what bullshit. n/t

[Faryn Balyncd]

7. .....decide what?

[kath]

9. we really need some other photos from that time frame and later.

surely they're out there somewhere. Anyone?

photos of her daughter from this past late-winter and spring would also be good... Also the family-coming-home-from-the-hospital-with-new-baby photos - including the teenage daughter.

[Contrary1]

32. Here's a pic of the governor taken 2/5/08 at 6 months:

[originalpckelly]

38. Like fuck that chick is pregnant there!

:rofl:

[reggie the dog]

120. you can't tell

my wife barely showed at all until the last 3 months. She was 30. It was her first kid though.

[gademocrat7]

10. Is the baby hers?

or is it her daughter's?

[SoCalDem]

12. I'm guessing she's the gramma...

if you are anti-abortion, and your daughter has a special needs child, what else would you do?..

Maybe she got the idea from Desperate Houswives..

It would be interesting to see some pics of her daughter from dec to April.

[burythehatchet]

108. Does it occur to you that Daddy might be the daddy?

[southerncrone]

112. Yes.

Especially since it is downs syndrome. Genetic mutation.

Edited to add:

I don't mean to insinuate that all downs syndrome children are the result of incestuous relationships.
Just that it can be the cause when there is a limited gene pool.

OTOH, old eggs can cause the same.

[fasttense]

143. A recent study also indicates that old sperm as well as old eggs can lead to down syndrome children.

Seems as men get older, their ability to produce good sperm also gets older and more sperms carry genetic abnormalities.

[southerncrone]

164. Had not been aware of that, thanks for the update.

It does make sense.

What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander.

[shimmergal]

119. That's a pretty big jump to make.

It's possible--but there's no special reason to believe so, is there?

[burythehatchet]

135. the occurence of Down's Syndrome

[reggie the dog]

121. ??????

Those kinds of accusations should probaly be left to a DA who has a shitload of evidence. Possibly covering a young unmarried girls pregnancy to save face at church is nothing like incest.

[LynneSin]

11. She's wearing black - easy to hide extra weight with black

I think this is a stupid route to go and makes us look bad.

[onenote]

13. she didn't look particularly pregnant a month later according to news reports

When she disclosed the pregnancy in March, the newspapers commented that she didn't look pregnant. But not all women show their pregnancy as obviously as others.

Not sure what the point of this thread is, to be honest.

[NightWatcher]

14. I found a pic of the family, the daughter might have a "bump"

Picture of Sarah and husband Todd Palin at their home in Wasilla, Alaska. Children are from left, Piper, now age 6, Willow, now 13, and Bristol, now 17. Not pictured is son Track, now 18 and an infantryman in the U.S. Army. Sarah is now 7 months pregnant with her fifth child.

Still trying to nail down the date on this pic but it looks like early 2008 from the blog. The blog is dated March 9, 2008.
http://camp2008victorya.blogspot.com/2008/03/hillary-clintons-evisceration-of-obama.html
I dont get the name of the blog

closer look


vs

[SoCalDem]

18. Here's the "labor story"... 5th child and she FLIES HOME in labor??

April 18, 2008
http://alaskareport.com/news48/x61145_trig.htm

Governor Palin has new baby boy - Trig Paxson Van Palin

Trig Paxson Van Palin is the newest addition to Alaska governor Sarah Palin's family.

Trig Paxson Van Palin is the newest addition to Alaska governor Sarah Palin's family.

From a State of Alaska press release: Governor Sarah Palin and her husband Todd welcomed the arrival of their fifth child this morning. The Palins were thankful that the Governor's labor began yesterday while she was in Texas at the Governor's Energy Conference where she gave the keynote luncheon address, but let up enough for her to travel on Alaska Airlines back to Alaska in time to deliver her second son.

Trig Paxson Van Palin was born at 6:30 a.m. and weighs six pounds, two ounces. The Governor and Trig are both doing well and resting comfortably.

The family released the following statement:

"Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed."

The Palins have four other children including Track, 18, Bristol , 17, Willow , 13 and Piper, 7.

[w8liftinglady]

20. With a known high-risk pregnancy,I find that unusual.

[SoCalDem]

28. Another article said HER WATER BROKE.. and she flew home

http://www.celebrity-babies.com/2008/04/alaskan-governo.html

On a 5th child & water breaks..and you fly home from Texas to Alaska..THE NEXT DAY :wtf:

and you know the child has downs..and may have heart related effects that are common..

This story stinks to high heaven..

Originally posted April 18th: Although not due until May 18th, the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, gave birth to her fifth child today, Friday, April 18th, at 6:30 am. Trig Paxson Van Palin weighed in at 6 lbs, 2 oz when he was born at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center.

snip

Sarah, 44, had her water unexpectedly break (just a slow leak of amniotic fluid, she shared) while attending an energy conference in Texas, but checked in with her doctor, was able to stay, deliver a 30 minute speech, and then get on a plane to return to her home state in time for the delivery (which ended up needing to be induced) early this morning. I am not a glutton for pain and punishment. I would have never wanted to travel had I been fully engaged in labor. After four kids I knew what labor felt like, and I wasn't in labor. in this interview she says she was NOT in labor

Sarah said that while she did not tell the pilot or flight attendants that she was 36 weeks along, she did not hide her condition either .The family initially released a statement saying that Trig has "special challenges," but did not specify what they are. However, on Monday, April 21st, they said the baby has Down Syndrome. Sarah and Todd's statement reads,

Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed. On Monday, Sarah shared that she "initially felt sad" when hearing the diagnosis. When we first heard, it was kind of confusing. It was very, very challenging.(But now,) it just feels like he fits perfectly. He is supposed to be here with us.

The pregnancy was announced in March. Trig joins siblings Track, 18, Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 7. Sarah said she does not plan to take a maternity leave, but is breastfeeding, will bring her son to work with her, and plans to take some days of for his pediatrician appointments


snip

[seabeyond]

29. water broke both children. both i was immediately in hosp and induced labor. n/t

[cally]

42. There is no way a doctor would let you fly home after your water

broke. My water broke on my first baby and I was immediately told to go to the hospital even though I was not in labor. With a fifth baby, delivery is expected to be much quicker so I this story doesn't seem true.

[undeterred]

63. If your water breaks you are in danger of infection

Its not immediate or urgent danger- but you don't go give a speech or take a ride on a plane if you can avoid it.

[Raksha]

122. You're right...my water broke with my second one.

I was told if that happened, I was to go directly to the hospital (which I did), because if I wasn't in labor at that moment, I would be very soon. The doctor was right...she was born around 3:00 a.m. the next morning.

[southerncrone]

91. This is complete crap!

Did she also plow the back 40 with a mule the next day! :eyes:

No way any doctor would say fly home from TX to Alaska if your water broke, or you were even leaking!
Sound to me like she WANTED to lose this baby, or it's a cover for daughter's pregnancy as others also suspect.

More of the Repukes telling outlandishly crazy tales & expecting everyone to believe them as truth with no questions asked or any doubts.

[XemaSab]

43. For sure...

Running the risk of giving birth to a special-needs child on a plane?

AND after her water broke getting up and giving a SPEECH?

Interesting...

[SoCalDem]

45. Sarah got a panicky phone call from her daughter

and Granny flew home..

[badgerpup]

85. Isn't there a rule or something about this?

You're not allowed on commercial airlines if you're past a certain date BECAUSE you might go into labor on the plane?

And Texas to Alaska in a private plane is a looooong trip...not a lot of room for comfort if you're in active labor...

I call :wtf:

[Tansy_Gold]

110. Commercial airlines do restrict

My daughter flew from NJ to AZ at 8+ months because her father was dying of cancer. She had to have written documentation from her doctor as to her due date and general health. They would allow her to fly up to two weeks before scheduled delivery date, not after.

[burythehatchet]

107. Q: Doesn't Down's syndrome occur in intrafamilial relationships?

[moriah]

117. Uh, no, not unless one of the family member's had Down's.

Almost all cases of Down's Syndrome are related to a random problem when the body creates gametes in meiosis. It causes all or part of an extra copy of Chromosome 21 to be in place.

A person *with* Down's Syndrome can pass it on to their child, but it is not guaranteed that they will. They generally have reduced fertility, with men having much lower fertility rates than women.

[Clear Blue Sky]

184. No. Downs does occur with pregnancy in older years.

[Barack_America]

80. Just wanted to let you know that top pic was taken in 2006.

I don't have the link pulled up anymore, but they used an older family photo in that March article.

Oh I remember where I found it; that site has a photo album on their front-page that shows that pic with the date.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/339587.html

(It's one of the last pics, I think)

[ColbertWatcher]

100. Thank you for the pictures, I uploaded them to ...

... the Truthiness Encyclopedia, so they're safe.

I posted them here, on Mrs. Todd Palin's page

[dkofos]

15. Desperate Housewifes comes to mind.

[countryjake]

16. I think it's not necessary to go this route, at all...

body types are all different when it comes to "showing", also size of baby, and supposedly the governor's was early.

Lots of serious issues with this woman to have fun tearing down, in-our-face wingnut garbage, so regardless of her truthfulness or covering "babes" up, if she is a liar, I'd say that's the least of her problems.

[w8liftinglady]

17. True..Obama and Biden don't need to go there.

[pampango]

23. I can't believe we're going there. n/t

[LiberalHeart]

81. Nor can I. This is truly a low point for DU.

And it's not just an attack on Sarah; her daughter is being dragged into this. Disgusting.

[Hubert Flottz]

90. Yeah Right...

Mrs. Edwards dying of cancer but that story dragged on in the MSM for days...over a week.

[SoCalDem]

129. There has been buzz online since before the baby was born..In Alaska & on blogs

and in her former school....LONG before anyone at DU even knew Palin existed :)

[NightWatcher]

19. is it worth playing rough to save us from a McSame presidency?

they would do just the same to us.

[SoCalDem]

21. and it's about deception & fairy-tales..

We've had 8 years of deception.. If she would lie about something like this, and try to cover it up,what else would she cover up?

[seabeyond]

24. our politicians arent doing anything. it is people on a board looking for

the answer. give us a lie, and evidence it is a lie and people will check it out. start bitching when biden points the finger at her on national tv

[countryjake]

27. Sorry, I really don't see that as "playing rough"...

the woman hails from Sandpoint, ID, a right-wing haven, and it is actually pretty common for parents over there (and in the PNW) to "adopt" the offspring of their wayward progeny..."keeping it in the family", so to speak. I've hit on this with other fundies, many times, discussing things such as when should the child learn "Mom" is really "Grandma", lying to entire congregations about origins of babies, being honest with one's children, stuff like that. Let me assure you, they've got an answer for every little transgression, think they're "better" for having taken such routes, and don't leave much room for debating their anti-abortion stances, if you take that tack.

I do think she has tons of other failings that we can, should, and will hit on, but this baby business might just be opening up a dirty diaper, if you think what she may be hiding might strengthen our position against conservatives...it won't.

[CLG_News]

92. *Exactly!!* The GOPerverts COUNT on Democrats rolling over...

and refusing to fight on their level.

[seabeyond]

22. setting up daughter for a lie to be exposed about her across the nation

ya

no ones business

should have been honest
shouldnt have taken vp position and protect daughter

that simple

[SoCalDem]

25. some kid at her daughter's school will spill the beans

kids always know the scoop and someone will talk..

an article I read online about her "surprise" pregnancy announcement had a comment about how she had not told her kids..

I'm sorry, but in a close family, a growing belly on Mom is NOT something you can hide.. she claimed in the interview that the kids were surprised when she told them she was 7 months pregnant :wtf:

[seabeyond]

26. that is bullshit. ultimate close family and they arent joyous and sharing

if nothing else to help the littler ones along for a new addition. what parent wouldnt tell kid that is what 4.... what is that doing to the 4 yr old or however old number 4 is.

just bullshit

[countryjake]

31. Have you ever been pregnant?

Or, specifically, pregnant with a defective fetus? That alone would cause parents to keep the wraps on any celebratory feelings till it's impossible not to. Maybe they were hoping for a miscarriage or fearing one...I hear that they found out at four months about the Downs, which would have been a sad occasion.

If she is slight built, often there's no need to "hide" anything til not long before birth. I was still a size three at eight months, never bought any maternity outfits, and had trouble convincing anyone how pregnant I was until the ninth month. And I was no teen. Also dealt with miscarriages, and once you've had one, some are none too eager to announce another pregnancy, til the baby's a sure thing.

[SoCalDem]

34. 3 times.. high risk pregnancies..showed at 4 months.. n/t

[Patiod]

82. OK, playing devil's advocate here

IBut do women of 16 tend to have Down's Syndrome babies, or do women age 44?

Occam's Razor

[LisaL]

113. Down's syndrom babies are more frequent with older mothers.

[vanderBeth]

134. It has been suggested

that that very young mothers are also more likely to have babies with Down Syndrome.

[Patiod]

147. Preterm birth maybe, but not Down Syndrome

Preterm birth and low birthweight for young maternal age, Down Syndrome for advanced maternal age

http://www.cdc.gov/NCBDDD/bd/ds.htm

I have to dig this stuff up for my job, so I'm kind of a nerd about it :)

[seabeyond]

148. 80% of down syndrome is from mothers under 35. they also have the majority of the babies

36 the risk escalates hugely. but they also have fewer babies too

saying

a young woman can also have a down syndrome baby. it is not unheard of

and yes, the older the woman is the higher the risk. i think i read 1 in 25 babies. that is high

[SoCalDem]

149. stats go up, but fertility goes down, so actual numbers change

many young mothers have a first baby with downs.. Statistics are al;ways 100% when it's YOU!..

Our first had a birth defect that only occurs 1 in 600K (or so we were told), and the circumstances of the delivery were pretty long odds too (abruption 30%+)..and yet I got 100% on BOTH counts, as a healthy 24 yr old with NO pregnancy complications until 7 months:(

[reggie the dog]

123. To defend this woman

perahps she considered aborting when she found out it was a downs syndrome baby. Given her religion that would have been a rough choice but she could have not told her kids because she was considering aborting a downs baby. After thought and discussion with her husband perhaps they decided it was God's will and kept the kids, then decided to tell their children that mommy was pregnant.

[bdamomma]

30. read this little tidbit of information

http://www.reddit.com/comments/6f3nq/coverup_alaska_gov_palin_r_announced_she_was

[shanti]

33. interesting....

said daughter was out of school for an extended period of time with "mono". yeah riiiiight. :eyes:

wonder if palin can pull out of this now? is it too late?

[SoCalDem]

35. Here's another I found..listed as Feb 2008

Mom looks pretty trim, but daughter seems to have her hands together under a distinct bulge...like pregnant women all over the world hold their hands ..

[shanti]

36. that is correct!

i have four of my own and we moms know this ;)

[alittlelark]

47. That picture is the most convincing I've seen.

I am holding my hands like that in most of the pictures I have of myself pregnant. S.Palin looks thin as a rail.

[annabanana]

75. Mono? Really? That was the standard '50's excuse for an

"extended absence" from H.S. while someone delivered. It was practically code for it. Seriously... any other ladies of extended experience remember this?

[Raksha]

124. Ummmm...NO!!! I believed it REALLY WAS mono!

I mean right up to the moment when I read your post! I graduated from high school in 1963, and I remember people talking about this disease called "mononucleosis" (mono for short) that seemed to afflict teenage girls more than anyone else. The treatment involved extended bed rest and an absence from school of several months.

And...I bought it! I NEVER made the connection! Not ONCE, until just now. It's hard to believe I was THAT clueless and gullible.

I feel like such an idiot. I remember hoping I never got this mysterious disease, and I never did. Was that because I got on birth control pills shortly after I became sexually active? Nobody ever told me they gave immunity to mono...but I guess they did.

[annabanana]

130. The rest of the girls in the class would nudge each other.

The rumor mill would be in overdrive in the cafeteria. That's the thing, it was a LOUSY cover. (I hope someone is poking around Mooseturd High School.)

[SoCalDem]

131. That "poking around" last September is what started this whole thing

:rofl:

[Fearless]

175. Hey hey, don't bash the poking!

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

180. and somewhere "out there" is a teenaged boy who dodged a big bullet

For the story to work, it means that he's off the hook for the care of a handicapped child, and out of a big ole mess..

[southerncrone]

118. Where's the National Enquirer when we need them?

They could have a field day with this.

Was Palin vetted AT ALL?

It was reported McSame only met her once & spoke to her on the phone once b/4 today.

[krabigirl]

37. Sorry, but no. I'm 7 months pregnant with #2, and even the way she is standing is different.

No, she doesn't look like she's in her third trimester. Those clothes are not baggy.

[hack89]

39. So how do you think she lived a very public life as a governor

yet not a single person noticed she was not really pregnant?

[SoCalDem]

44. Because , as governor, she controlled her schedule

and for all we know, she may have taken a mini vacation..

She was only "out" for about a month..

[hack89]

60. She was at a governors conference when her water broke

a very private, secluded scene I am sure.

[seabeyond]

66. before the meeting she noticed leakage. n/t

[hack89]

69. She was in the group picture, right?

lots of people saw her right? To what ridiculous extreme are you going to take this?

[seabeyond]

70. a report said she saw leakage adn then went to meeting. so what she was in picture

she also gave her speech. the water breaking was before she got to meeting. THEN went to meeting. THEN got on airplane and flew for 11 hours.

what is your problem

[hack89]

71. So a bunch of people saw her pregnant

right? What is your problem?

[seabeyond]

73. i have not heard of ONE person that saw her preg. not one. but i KNOW a woman

who water breaks does not become inaccessible to a hospital for ANY reason. it is the height of stupid. especially 5th child. they come out faster the more you have

[hack89]

76. But there are many who saw her not pregnant - right?

you have the links I am sure.

[JTFrog]

137. Yes. Even her own staff said she didn't look pregnant.

http://www.adn.com/front/story/336402.html

Secret's out: Palin pregnant

SEVEN MONTHS ALONG: Even her staff was unaware that the first family was expecting a fifth child.

By WESLEY LOY
[email protected]

Published: March 6th, 2008 12:02 AM


JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child.
Click to enlarge


"I thought it was becoming obvious," Gov. Sarah Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger." The governor, who recently turned 44, told a handful of reporters as she was leaving work to expect a new member of the first family, then headed to a reception at the Baranof Hotel to feast on king crab.

Palin said she's already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May. That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant. Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger." But people just couldn't believe the news. "Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.

"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."

[JTFrog]

136. Even reporters said she didn't look pregnant and her staff was shocked when she told them she was 7

months along.

None of them have ever said she "looked" pregnant at any time.

[hack89]

138. That was earlier when she announced her pregnancy

what we are talking about now is the fact that she was making public appearances up to the day she delivered. If she did not look pregnant then don't you think there would have been a comment or two? And don't you think the hospital staff might have a story or two about this? And how did her daughter hide her pregnancy and delivery?

There are no facts here - just speculation fueled by spite and pettiness.

[JTFrog]

139. PROVIDED YOU A LINK ABOVE. READ IT.

Post 137.

[hack89]

140. So read my answer - you miss the point completely

what about the following month or two? The delivery? The daughter's delivery? Where are the facts?

[JTFrog]

141. I missed what point? You said folks would have said something.

You said surely her staff would have said something right? I proved that the speculation was out there. Nobody believed she was pregnant and that doesn't ring any bells with you?

I have no doubt that as we speak there are people checking into the information on the delivery and the following month or two.

But if you honestly think the SHOCK and AWE of being 7 months pregnant and NOT SHOWING ONE IOTA for your 5th child that was born at a healthy 6 and 1/2 pounds is nothing to wonder about... well then, let's say that I'm not the one completely missing the points round here.

Folks on this board are obviously not the first to go... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[hack89]

156. Lots of people go hmmmmm over BS.

head over to FR if you want to see a lot of it concerning Obama. Doesn't mean that it is true. I understand your standards for truth and accuracy go down when it comes to republicans - rumors and innuendo are good enough. I just hope you are not so hypocritical as to criticize the freepers when they peddle BS about democrats.

[SoCalDem]

142. Safely stowed away in Wasilla where Palin's parents live

and probably where the daughter recuperated from "mono"..

The truth always wiggles its way out.. even though Alaska is scrubbing their official website of all pictures & stories about their dear governor.:evilgrin:

[hack89]

154. And the hospital?

and her public appearances prior to delivery? Seems like we have a single newspaper article and not much else.

[Contrary1]

46. And you could turn that question around:

So how do you think she lived a very public life as a governor, yet not a single person noticed she was pregnant, and were surprised when she announced it at seven months?

[hack89]

49. My wife never really showed until the 7th month

different body builds, different sized babies - pregnancy is not a cookie cutter event.

But again - once announcing how could she hide it? Why are you so willing to smear this woman and her daughter on such flimsy (actually non-existent) evidence? Isn't there room for basic decency in politics anymore?

[seabeyond]

51. she is a 44 yr old woman, 5th child. ANYTHING is possible

but that scenerio along with water breaking and getting on plane to fly home, shit even going to texas that preg just doesnt jive. possible, not probable

the body is different at 44 and 20's, 30's. first baby and fifth

[hack89]

53. So why can't you wait until there is real evidence?

have you no regard for the daughter at least? Is it OK for her to be political "collateral damage" as long as it damages McCain and Palin? Are Obama's kids now fair game?

[seabeyond]

54. is the daughter on here reading? is obama or any of his people attacking on this

there are inconsistencies. we are talking about those inconsistencies. what we do on the board.

[hack89]

55. Didn't the Swift boaters start on an internet message board?

They were only talking about "inconsistencies".

Obama is smart enough to stay out of the sewer.

[seabeyond]

56. oh bullshit. they went live in apr. media new a lie, slapped it down.

did it again in aug and media ran with it.

stupid argument about it being on net.

but... i dont have to apologize to say a woman being let on a plane and flying from texas to alaska after her water broke is UNHEARD of. so. i want to know why this woman was allowed to do something NO doctor or parent would do.

WHY is it wrong to ask for clarification

[hack89]

57. Just asking questions - got it.

perfectly innocent intentions - got that too. :eyes:

Bye.

[XemaSab]

48. You can't exactly call someone on that

"Sorry, but you don't look pregnant." :shrug:

[hack89]

50. Are we unique in our pettiness and cruelty?

So she has no political enemies in Alaska that lack basic human decency like we see here in this thread?

[uberllama42]

83. Yeah, where were those abysmally corrupt politicos that supposed infested Juneau

when she got there? None of them could muster the accumulated bile of our friends here, I guess.

But then, that's the disinhibition of anonymity. An opponent who made the charge against her would have to stand up on TV and take responsibility for their words. Remember, they don't have a proper Internet in Alaska; all they have is a series of tubes, so Palin hasn't really been exposed to this yet.

[SoCalDem]

52. The Alaska daily News did just that..as did everyone who was interviewd

:rofl:

It's only "interesting" because of the insurance fraud angle, and how she's using that baby as a sympathy-getting, "I'm such a devoted Mom who is anti-abortion" device..

Rev Haggart was a god-fearing Christian guy until he got caught.. so was Larry Craig & Foley..and even Bernie Ward..

Everyone's "perfect" until their secrets come tumbling out..

The hypocrisy factor is always intersting:)

[hack89]

58. Can you share the link with us? nt

[Liberal_in_LA]

65. Other factor that makes this issue news: Everyone's using her pregnancy story as proof of her

pro-life credentials.

[shimmergal]

125. How would it be insurance fraud?

Probably a 16-year-old would still be covered on her parents' policy.

What I'm wondering, more, is about the baby's birth certificate. Would it show Sarah as the mother, and if so, is that fraudulent?

[SoCalDem]

128. Insurance for children ENDs when they are 18 (goes a little more if they are in college)

BUT I'm pretty sure that some policies are not intended to cover the martenity needs of your children...and with a special needs child, it would make a lot more financial sense to have the child be her brother, instead of her son..and Mom & Dad would be raising the kid anyway.. Once their daughter aged-out of their coverage, the baby's condition would be pre-existing..and he might not get the care he will need..

The misrepresentation of a child not your own, as yours..for the purpose of insurance..well that's FRAUD..

People go to JAIL for "letting a family member" pretend to be them or their covered child.. Try taking someone else's insurance card the next time you take your kid to the doctor..

The state of Alaska pays for that first-family's medical coverage..

If the kid is their daughters, they should have just legally adopted him...but that would also bring "shame" on the perfectness of their little fundamentalist family, and might reflect badly on their parenting skills..

[bdamomma]

67. you think she covering up for her daughter who was pregnant

and wearing clothes that would make her look pregnant. my thinking could be over the top but you never know.

[Kitty Herder]

40. She doesn't look 7 months pregnant, but it's really hard to tell in this picture.

[bobbert]

61. She's photoshopped in

We do it all the time here... it's so hard to get a bunch of MD's in the same place at the same time. You can tell she's photoshopped in because she doesn't have a shadow. She probably wasn't there because she was 7 months pregnant

[dysfunctional press]

62. where's blago?

i don't see our illinois governor in that pic.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

64. I've decided ...

DU = Bizarro World

[Bozita]

68. CSPAN WJ interview with Palin from February, 2008 is available for viewing

It's on the homepage.

http://cspan.org/

[Nikia]

72. If I dress in layers, I don't look pregnant either

Even though I am due in November.

[uberllama42]

74. So this is us accusing a 17-year-old girl of being a tramp?

Is that what this is? 'Cause that's what it looks like to me.

Here we are gawking at pictures of Bristol Palin to see if she looks knocked up. If this cover-up thing is true, isn't this kind of thing exactly what Palin was trying to protect her daughter from? This behavior reinforces the Puritanical stigma on teen pregnancy, which is, IMO, not the best method of fighting teen pregnancy.

It's none of our fucking business whether the Palin girl had a baby, and we all know it. There are much better things we can use to hit Palin with than this filth. We just don't need to go here. Palin kills the "no-experience" meme, she is an outrageous attempt to pander to Clinton partisans, and she is a religious zealot. All of those topics leave her kids out of the equation.

[Lars39]

84. "Tramp"?

Being sexually active doesn't equate to being a tramp.

[uberllama42]

86. I'm perfectly aware of that

It seems to me that the people who are hounding on this have a problem with Palin's daughter being sexually active. I don't have a problem with it, and I don't think it's any of our business whether she is or not.

[Lars39]

89. No, I think it would be the utter hypocrisy of it all if it is true,

not that the daughter was sexually active.

[seabeyond]

93. not one person has talk about daughter sex life, at all. not one. none of our business

it is the lie.....

and for me it is a mom that would create a lie adn then make herself available so the lie is exposed across the nation with her daughter in the forefront. what kind of parent would do that

she wants a lie, dont be vp to expose the lie

or

just accept and love daughter even preg. reality. truth. no one on dem side would say a word

[Tansy_Gold]

114. Exactly. No one here, as far as I've seen, has said one single

derogatory word about Bristol Palin.

It's the possibility -- note that I only said POSSIBILITY -- that her MOTHER is so ashamed of what Bristol did that she is lying to protect her own reputation.

That's the real reason this was done in the past, that mothers would claim a grandchild as their own -- because the daughter's "sin" reflected badly on the parents. It was a familial disgrace that had to be hidden.

The other aspect, of course, is whether or not Bristol was pressured into having the baby against her own wishes. It's possible, given the mother's adamant anti-abortion stance -- no abortion even in cases of rape or incest -- that Bristol wanted to terminate the pregnancy and was forced to carry the baby to term. Her extended absences from school may have been virtual incarceration to prevent her from terminating the pregnancy.

But of course, this is all just idle speculation on my part.


Of course it is, or my name isn't


Tansy Gold

[ColbertWatcher]

87. This is pointing out yet another example of GOP hypocrisy ...

Another anti-science, anti-doctor, anti-woman, female republican going to great lengths to cover up how she cannot follow the precepts of the policies she claims to support.

The question should be why is she ashamed of her daughter? Why does she support policies that infringe on her daughter's rights.

[uberllama42]

95. Palin 'cannot follow the precepts of the policies she claims to support'?

What policies is she violating, exactly? If her daughter became pregnant and Palin kept her from having an abortion, isn't she being true to her political stance, regardless of what it does to her daughter?

The question should be why is she ashamed of her daughter?

We don't know that her daughter did anything she is ashamed of. If Palin's a hypocrite, it will come out in the investigation of Troopergate. We don't need to make a spectacle of her daughter, all the while exclaiming about her right to privacy. There are available lines of attack that do not involve Palin's children.

[ColbertWatcher]

102. Sex outside marriage?

There are available lines of attack that do not involve Palin's children.

Or her grandchildren.

[wickerwoman]

88. Oh bullshit.

Who cares if the daughter got pregnant at 16 or 17? I'm sure her holier than thou mother would call her a "tramp" but I wouldn't.

The point is that her mother possibly lied about it and committed insurance fraud while doing it. And meanwhile goes out and tells all the other pregnant 16 year old girls that what they've done is shameful. Plus I'll bet anything she doesn't support a dime going to teen mothers who don't have millionaire governess of Alaska parents.

On the other hand, as much as I'd like to believe this is true, it seems like they could have done a hell of a lot more to cover it up. It's not that hard to buy fake baby bumps. And even though the girl looks pregnant as hell in those pictures, wouldn't they just keep her out of them if she was? They could have sent her off to boarding school in Switzerland until she had the kid. Either it's not true or they were really, really stupid about it not thinking she would ever be put in the spotlight like this.

[nichomachus]

97. No, that's just you reading into it something that's not there.

But do have fun being "outraged."

[MadrasT]

98. THE POINT

is that the presumptive Vice Presidential nominee of the Republican party LIED.

It has NOTHING to do with her daughter becoming pregnant. It has to do with the possibility that Palin covered it up and LIED about it while holding public office.

Inexcusable.

[hack89]

132. What did she lie about?

you seem so sure of yourself - where does your certainty come from other then your contempt and hate? What are the real facts here?

[MadrasT]

151. I don't have any contempt or hate.

Sorry if it came across that way. Maybe I should have gone easy on the ALL CAPS.

I definitely should have added the word POTENTIALLY before the word "LIED" in this sentence: "MY POINT is that the presumptive Vice Presidential nominee of the Republican party LIED." (as I did in the next sentence).

Major faux pas on my part, no wonder I seemed "so sure" to you. I'm really not, and I apologize for not being more clear.

I'm certainly not advocating condemning her without the facts, nor am I even saying I believe the rumors. Not enough information. I don't make decisions based upon speculation or rumors.

I'm just saying it's important to learn the facts. If the rumors are true, and she lied about the child being hers when it isn't, it's a problem for me.

[hack89]

157. OK - no problem. nt

[Marie26]

LOL

So now you've gone from speculation straight to "She LIED about our irrational speculative conspiracy theory!" "Our speculative conspiracy theory is INSURANCE fraud!" So ridiculous. I heard Joe Biden's children are actually Martians - and he's LIED about it, he's claimed them as human on the insurance cards, so this is totally a legitimate story. Maybe I'll post that somewhere else & then link to it here so I can fool people into thinking it's actually true.

[Marie26]

153. Pretty much

It's so creepy.

[seabeyond]

155. no one has mentioned the girl. yet you call her a tramp. that is what is creepy. n/t

[Marie26]

158. Are you responding to the right person?

I said this conspiracy theory is totally creepy, and it is. Speculate about 9/11, whatever. But speculating about a 16-year-old's sex life, squinting at pictures of her to see the signs of pregnancy, is totally out of line. Brooke Palin is a minor, not a celebrity, and she never asked for any of this publicity. It shows that Democrats are really no better than Republicans when it comes to using any baseless rumor to destroy an opponent. This is just Swiftboating, only that was just directed at the candidate himself. This drags the candidate's child into a vicious rumor & IMO that's pretty low.

[seabeyond]

160. you agree this concludes she is a tramp. i think htat is creepy.

i see just a couple callling the girl a tramp, even talking about this girls sexual experience.

all posters are focused on the mom. a few go into tramp mode

shame on you

[Marie26]

161. Shame on you!

So there. You've been repeating this stupid rumor over & over & over again w/o a single shred of proof. That's just Swiftboating & IMO no different than the Republicans that repeat smears against Obama or Kerry w/o a shred of proof. And gosh, it must be true that Obama's a terrorist, or Kerry's a coward, because they read an anonymous post that said so! And this is even worse because, as I've said, it's dragging the candidate's child into the smear. Just give it a rest. At this point DU is actually worse than the National Enquirer - at least the National Enquirer has some standards on the stories it'll print.

[seabeyond]

162. no..... i have been asking what woman whose water broke would give a speech

and then be on an airplane for 11 hours

what woman would do that. i do not know a single woman who has had babies that would do that. i do not know any woman who has had four kids that would walk away from medical care and be alone for such a long period of time without any medical help available.

what woman would do that

that is a reasonable question

i want an answer

and NO doctor would allow it

[spanone]

94. high heels....hmmmm

[FedUpWithIt All]

99. Anchorage article from march.

That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim,

simply doesn't look pregnant.

Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

But people just couldn't believe the news.

"Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.

"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."

http://www.adn.com/front/story/336402.html

[Barack_America]

101. This from March 14, 2008.

Michael Dinneen / Associated Press

From left, Alaska governor Sarah Palin, Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell and Sandy Parnell announce Palin's endorsement of Parnell Friday, March 14, 2008 at the state elections office in Anchorage, Alaska. Parnell had just filed to run against incumbent Republican Don Young for U.S. Congress


And this site has a video with her, dated from February 2008 (exact date unknown) when she would be about 6 months pregnant.

http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/02/20/my-visit-to-juneau-alaska/#comments

(go to around 4 minutes in)

[ColbertWatcher]

104. The reporter in the video looked more pregnant than she did. (6:00) n/t

[orleans]

109. well, at least she has a waistline n/t

[tinrobot]

115. Two images from that video

I dunno, she certainly doesn't have much of a waist in these. She could pass for 5-6 months pregnant.

[fasttense]

145. She doesn't walk like a pregnant woman. The way she almost hopped

up those stairs. She doesn't look or walk like a pregnant woman.

[PassingFair]

103. Granholm is cuter.

MUCH cuter!

[williesgirl]

105. Sorry folks, but I was 37 when pregnant with my daughter (1st) and didn't look

pregnant before I got into trouble at 7 months with severe pre-elampsia. She was born 10 weeks early. All I lost was my waistline at the time.

She could well have been pregnant from these photos.

[seabeyond]

106. first preg almost always is late showing. it is the preg after that show much quicker

this was her fifth

[nonconformist]

111. I'm 35 and 7 months pregnant with my 3rd child....

And let me tell you, I'm ginormous. I started showing way sooner than I did with my other children, too, which is VERY typical for 3rd or subsequent pregnancies. I am of average height and weight.

I also think that story about her water breaking and her flying home for 10 hours sounds like bullshit. When your water breaks, you are at great risk for infection and are generally immediately admitted to the hospital. In fact, even if you're in hard labor, doctors aren't keen on letting you go over 24 hours after your water breaks before taking the baby because of the risk of infection, cord prolapse and stress on the baby. And her being of AMA (advanced maternal age) and this being her 5th child, her pregnancy would have been high risk anyway, which means she would have been very closely monitored and it would be assumed that labor could progress very quickly. Not to even mention that prenatal tests had already indicated that the baby had Down Syndrome, which means it would have been an even higher risk pregnancy. This is all assuming she had adequate prenatal care, and it's safe to assume that a Governor would.

It's all very strange, really.

And back to work 3 days after giving birth? That doesn't even begin to compute.

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[Alcibiades]

116. My 2 cents

My wife's due in three weeks, and is carrying this one much smaller than she did with the first one. Her own mom has remarked many times how she "finally looks pregnant," etc. She's looked pregnant to me for months.

Palin's clearly not pregnant in these photos. She probably felt no need to hide her daughter, because she's up in AK, which gets no media attention. She probably had no idea she'd be in the running for McCain's VP slot.

Nothing looks like a pregnant belly. Her daughter doesn't look pregnant in some of the photos where she's wearing form-fitting clothes, but seems pregnant in the one with the jacket. At no time does the Governor look pregnant (and it's not just the belly--the whole posture and stance is different). The mono story is a little smelly.

The flying on an airplane thing is really, really smelly. To quote the Mayo Clinic:

"Many doctors recommend that women avoid flying after 36 weeks of pregnancy or if they're at risk of preterm delivery."

Older mothers are, of course, at a higher risk for preterm delivery. But to be leaking amniotic fluid and to get on a plane, rather than deliver wherever you are: complete and utter bullshit. Any mom who's ever done this before--as she had--would be like "Get me to the hospital, now!" They wouldn't get on any damn plane. It seems more likely to me that she had to rush home because her daughter was going into labor.

Photos of her breastfeeding would go a long way towards determining if this is a hoax, but those could be faked, too.

[SoCalDem]

127. Lactation can be stimulated, in a fertile female..and only the baby knows for sure

:evilgrin:

[Princess Turandot]

126. I have no idea what the truth is here but I have an idea of how this could have been done..

In adoptions right after birth, AFAIK, the adopting parents' names go on the birth certificate. It would depend upon state law, but if she had agreed to let her parents adopt the baby, it may be that they are the legal parents as soon as the baby was born. No problem for the OBG, since the kid is legally theirs, no disclosure from others because of HIPAA and her high profile.

As they sometimes say in Brooklyn, ba.da.bing.

[Marie26]

146. DU: We Report, You Decide!

All the baseless rumors that are fit to print! It's kinda hard to knock Fox News for repeating vicious rumors if liberal sites are willing to do the same, or worse.

[readmoreoften]

167. Agreed. As if someone on DU is going to figure it out by staring at photos.

Let the National Enquirer do their jobs if this is going to be the kind of crap you care about. And if it turns out that the child IS hers, or even if they fake it, we will look like petty assholes for no reason.

[MadHound]

150. Certainly doesn't look pregnant in that picture

In fact if you look closely or blow this up, the shading of the jacket and the nature of the wrinkles indicates that her waistline is going in, like it would with a normal woman, as opposed to going out or remaining straight as it would with a woman who is pregnant.

[geek_sabre]

152. she looks pretty pregnant here

http://community.adn.com/node/118874

[Marie26]

159. Yep

Can you people give it a rest now?

[readmoreoften]

171. But...but...she must've put pillows in her skirt!

[glowing]

163. Isn't this a subject for the likes of the National Inquirer, TPZ.com, E channel,

and PerezHilton.. If its true, let the smut mags take this apart.. not us.

[adamuu]

165. agreed. we are better than this. n/t

[readmoreoften]

169. Apparently not.

Hell, if the 'rumors' were true I'd say go for it. But until this is documented (and it will be by one of the world's scandal rags if it's true) it is only one step above "so-and-so looks gay in this picture."

[Nikki Stone1]

166. THIS IS RUMOR MONGERING: DU loses ALL credibility when you do stuff like this

Stop trying to be the Weekly World News and start getting real info.

[Fearless]

168. Picture of her "non-pregnant" daughter Bristol...

[readmoreoften]

170. Why are you criticizing her daughter for being a healthy weight?

If she was really 7 months pregnant they'd've hidden her stomach behind one of her sister's heads or told her to wear something looser. Good god.

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[Fearless]

177. Besides being out of line

I don't remember asking your permission to say anything that I've said. I don't need your approval. And you are not the political police. If I want to present a thought I can within the parameters of this forum. I have done this. If you have a problem with that you can answer in a constructive manner. Or you can ignore it. You did neither and saying that I have no reason to continue arguing with you. I have no problem with you. I don't care what you think. And, most importantly, I have more important things to do than to sit here and argue with someone that won't present a constructive argument.

Cheers,
NTF

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[seabeyond]

178. i have even been directed by these posters which threads to participate in

literally telling me to go in and talk about the subjects they think i ought to talk in, .... if i have the courage, whatever the fuck that means

[Fearless]

179. Ahh... Can't wait for November to come and go. LOL.

:kick:

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[snot]

181. The second pic has been scrubbed. Did anyone save it?

[w8liftinglady]

183. this one?

[Fox Mulder]

185. Yeah, I don't think so.