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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:56 AM
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Poll question: T. Boone Pickens
This poll was inspired by certain meetings that have taken place of late.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:09 AM
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1. Swiftboater
what more do you need to know?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:12 AM
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2. Teh Nose Pickens is the quintessential "oilman".
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 11:13 AM by Arctic Dave
He is a the "used car salesman" of the oil industry. He is being used as the "good ol boy" front for developing more unnecessary land so they can make huuuge profits. As for the wind farms and other alternative energy sources he is spouting about, that is nothing more then pure green washing BS.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:16 AM
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3.  Dividing the World into 'Good Guys' and 'Bad Guys'
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 11:16 AM by ribofunk
is in itself fundamentally a bad idea. Pay attention to what people do. In this case, Pickens is doing something constructive.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:29 AM
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4. But what is he constructing?
When all is said and done, Pickpocketens will have found another way to make himself richer, and screw the average American.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:30 PM
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8. Anyone Who Invests in Wind Farms
is hopefully going to become richer -- 'hopefully' because it means the projects are economically viable when done by private industry. That is the outcome the country will need to become more energy independent and move away from fossil fuels. How is that screwing the average American?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:34 PM
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9. So, when he uses his wind to sell pollution credits, you'll be okay with that, too?
And what about people with the governmental wherewithall who 'talk' to him about doing things ...... getting in bed with him is okay?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:56 PM
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12. If Alternate Energy is Going to Seriously Rolling Out
it's going to need hundreds of billions of dollars in the next couple of decades, much of which is going to come from the private sector. Not to mention the credibility and general interest among business leaders generated by someone of Pickens's statue becoming involved.

If a year ago, anyone had floated the idea of a major oil man putting serious money and effort behind wind farms, people would be overjoyed if not in disbelief. This is a very positive development.

Give up and win, man. Take yes for an answer.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 02:06 PM
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13. :cough: :cough:
Sure .... :cough: ..... I'll take :cough: "yes" for a :cough: an :cough: an answer. Let's keep those coal :cough: :cough; :hack: :cough: plants spewing.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:14 PM
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15. No, Discouraging Private Wind Farm Initiatives
is what would keep coal production high for longer than necessary.

And as far as pollution credits go, I don't have a stake in the issue, but isn't that what they were intended for?
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:58 PM
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16. Hopefully...
You will learn to use the word 'hopefully' correctly. It is an adverb. The last person to use it correctly in public speaking was Lyndon Johnson.

On the main point, yes, it is possible to lose money investing in wind farms; I know from personal experience. Private industry does well when startup costs are subsidized by the government and they can get a free ride. Trucks use the interstate highway system and after the Internet is subsidized with years of DARPA funding, then private industry can show how "economically viable" their projects are. I guess I should have waited for the government to subsidize the project I invested in, but no, I had to be too forward looking.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:00 PM
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17. he's just trying to make some more money for himself.
and I still hold him (partially) responsible for installing this administration by financing lies.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:08 PM
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23. Will you miss this when it's gone?


Because draining it and selling off the water is what Boone is really up to. The wind farm stuff is all for show.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:32 AM
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5. Mr. Pickens is doing this.......
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 11:33 AM by fla nocount
http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/02/t-boone-pickens-out-for-water-not-wind/

To rape this....

http://www.123exp-geography.com/t/18624103360/

Mr. Pickens is not a nice man nor has he limited himself to Roberts County. Think of the aquifer as a bucket with a hole in the bottom. Mr. Pickens owns the hole.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:49 AM
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6. Parasitic opportunist. Is that a bad thing? n/t
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:52 AM
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7. even the devil can quote scripture
he is driven by greed and nothing else
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:36 PM
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10. bordering on treasonous
for the '04 swiftboating of Kerry
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:37 PM
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11. Bad guy who happens to be on the right side for the wrong reasons.
Which means he's still on the right side.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 02:34 PM
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14. Boone can't be trusted!
Neither Pickens nor the Hunt brothers have ever done anything that wasn't about screwing others for their own personal profit.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:02 PM
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18. Had to go with "bad guy"
Is there any rational reason to trust an oilman? The crickets and I will be waiting for one to be supplied.
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2KS2KHonda Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 08:25 PM
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22. You seem to be implying that every oilman is a crook. I really hope you don't mean that
because I have been one for 50 years and I have never been dishonest in that capacity.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:21 PM
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24. Every one? I couldn't say...
But certainly we've had bad luck with the prominent ones. Wanna start from Bush and work our way down?

As an honest and presumably decent oilman, you have my sympathies on what the others have done for the reputation of your profession.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 07:01 PM
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19. I always boil it down to a simple question,
would I buy a used car from this guy?
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 08:12 PM
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20. I don't necessarily think that T Boone is bad, BUT, T Boone is after what is good for T Boone
He's right, we can't drill our way out. But his big sell for wind farms is to create an easement for him to put a water pipeline up. The wind power is just a way to get there.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 08:20 PM
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21. T. Boone is into whatever will make him money and to hell with everyone else
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