the bloggers seem to be swarming

[RazBerryBeret]

with the abortion issue. I've left so many comments I'm exhausted! (not to mention I've been flamed a LOT!)...
I'm really hoping Obama comes out with an overall statement on this issue. I seriously do NOT want the Fundies to cost us another election!

Other than pointing out the audacity of claiming "right to life" then sending thousands of young men & women to their deaths or to kill others, I think an intelligent response is needed. I don't think it's that hard -- as I've said all over YouTube today (I need to stay off there), I feel abortion is wrong for ME, but I can't judge my sisters and I certainly do not want our gov't --Bush & Co. in my Uterus. ever.

What I don't understand is if you are a one-issue voter, and that is the most important thing to you, why would you not donate/volunteer to churches and organizations to reduce abortions? Education and birth control would lead to fewer unwanted pregnancies which would then mean fewer abortions. It's not that hard.

I read once that another country (I think Argentina, but I can't swear to that) made abortions illegal and punishable. With that, your Gynecologist was required by law to turn you in if he saw any indication that you'd had an abortion, you were then subject to "inspection" (who that team was, I don't know..) and you could be fined or do jail time...

I thought Obama's response to last nights' question was perfect, McCain of course was perfect for the right to lifers. He stated that Life begins at conception, by saying that he has ruled our abortion under any circumstances and I don't think that is the responsibility of our government.

[elocs]

1. My attitude about the right-to-lifers is that their concern for life begins a conception

and ends at birth. It's the "don't you dare have an abortion", but after the baby is born it's "you're on your own" (YOYO) YOYO should be the motto of the Republican party in many areas.

[lonestarnot]

2. No shit! They just throw those babies under the fucking bus and that's ok.

[gateley]

3. I Love that -- begins at conception, ends at birth. nt

[RazBerryBeret]

5. Exactly right.

148 MILLION orphans today...WTF does THAT tell you?
I keep asking them how many babies they've adopted (no response)
or how insurance can pay for viagra but not birth control (no response)

I hate this issue.

[gateley]

4. I thought Obama's statement that the number of abortions hasn't decreased

in a pro-life administration, just REALLY makes the case for working toward a means of reducing the need. It was too reasonable for them to even consider.

[EFerrari]

6. I wouldn't worry about it very much. The majority wants to keep abortion legal.

The rightwing nutcases are just loud, that's all.

[RazBerryBeret]

7. yes, right wingers are loud and obnoxious...

I was a precinct leader for moveon in 04 (in Ohio), and I remember how ugly it got. my voting place was a Baptist Church. in this area Kerry equaled gay marriage and killing babies. it completely disgusted me. I just don't ever want to go there again.

[libodem]

8. Seems to me

back in the 70's when I was working at the state hospital we had a 20-young woman in custody. I believe her story was something like she had had an abortion for the 'health' of the mother and it was her mental health that was in question. I don't know if she had said that she would kill herself if she were to carry to term or what? She was in on some type of legal hold. I don't think she just turned herself in. She wasn't from the town where the State mental hospital was located, she'd been brought there. So I think there is some history in the United States, of going after in some way, of women who have had abortions. That's old news though.

Man, I think this is a complicated issue. But, to me it is the decision, of the pregnant one and the doctor. For all those anti-government, keep outta my business, leave me alone folks, why do you feel the need to stick your nose in this?

I think someone winds them up with a lot of emotional rhetoric, maybe at church, political meetings or radio talk shows. Hell, I don't know. It must be someones powerful agenda to keep the blood boiling on this one. To me it has to do with "Birth Control" plain and simple. It is the last, most violent, worst, most painful, gross, method, left on the scale of spermicidal jelly and condoms to IUDS, the pill, diaphragms, and any other way to prevent pregnancy. The Catholic Church still preaches against birth control, and Mormons don't like it much either. It's a way to keep women subjugated and under control. Will power or nothing!!!!

I could go on but for what. It's still a personal and private matter that is between a woman and her doctor. I don't even think the boyfriend, husband, lover, or Spiritual leader has any place here. Flame away, fellow friends.

[RazBerryBeret]

9. I do believe you're right

about subjugating women. you have to wonder how far it would go.
if a woman was 1 month pregnant, but didn't know it yet, and she got drunk is that child endangerment--would she be arrrested?
what if she were pregnant but drove without a seat belt? what if she were pregnant but not eating well?

also I've noticed that the loudest "right to lifers" are generally men w/out uteri...you have to wonder why that is. Plus it is completely my long held belief that NO WOMAN "wants" to get an abortion. it is always a last step.

the other "funny" finding is that these right to lifer--republicans rally against abortion UNTIL their precious little girl comes home pregnant. I've seen that a couple times.

[RazBerryBeret]

10. I'm still being flamed....

(damn youtube)...

but I just told some dude a sure fire way to reduce abortions was to make pre-marital sex illegal.
THAT should shut him up! no nookie for you!