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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:31 AM
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Do conservatives really support individual freedom?
I was spying on a right wing blog recently, and I saw what I found to be really hateful.

It was about a transgendered woman seeking to stay here in the US because she is afraid of being tortured by Mexican authorities.

Now, there weren't any hateful words exactly on there. However, every reference to the woman's gender being female was crossed through and replaced with male gender references by the author.

My question is why this right winger was so adamant about doing that. Doesn't individual freedom (Which conservatives say to espouse) include the freedom to define oneself, including the freedom to define one's gender?

Or, are we seeing that freedom is only for the corporations and the wealthy once again?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:34 AM
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1. No, they hate freedom.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:37 AM
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2. There isn't much evidence of it.
I think they SAY they do, as Lee Greenwood and Toby Keith songs play in the background, but in the real world layout it's hard to find many conservatives who will stand for someone who sticks their neck out.

Usually it's judgment and condemnation and marginalization from the conservatives.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:40 AM
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3. No they support the freedoms of the corporations and ultra weatlhy
to abuse and exploit the rest of America
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:46 AM
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4. They SAY they do, but they really don't.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 10:03 AM by baldguy
They love the idea of individual freedom for themselves & others like them, but are unable the cogitate that any rights & privileges they claim for themselves must apply to EVERYONE in a free society.

Conservatives give themselves the right to self-identify themselves as Christians, yet they think nothing of inflicting pain & suffering on others, they love death, they hate the poor, they take no responsibility for their actions & deny the truth. They don't even think about it, it's self-evedent to them.

Yet the trans gendered individual in the story has no right to self-identify herself as a woman in their eyes, simply because she has a Y chromosome. For conservatives, that one small bit of genetic material defines the sum total of that individuals being, no matter how she looks, behaves or thinks about herself.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:47 AM
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5. They want freedom for themselves...
And to hell with everybody else.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:05 AM
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6. Depends on who the individual is.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:06 AM
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7. If the individual freedoms align *EXACTLY* with theirs, sure.

Otherwise, fuck off.
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:09 AM
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8. There is a difference between conservative
and redneck hick. Out of curiosity, do you have a link to this blog? It is hard to judge the level of this guy's hate without other examples.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:38 AM
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9. Here
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:01 PM
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10. danke
The current problem is that conservatives no longer know what it really means to be conservative. They should all read some Barry Goldwater.
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MJW Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:08 PM
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11. if the "person" is a corporation, yes.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 12:09 PM by MJW
If the person is a woman in need of an abortion, a gay couple in need of validation, a worker in need of a union, a homeschooled child in need of education , the answer is NO
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:11 PM
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12. They are for old-fashioned Tribalism
Everyone who looks like me, talks like me, shares my culture -- including my religion and my language -- the can have all the "freedom" they want, as we define it.

Anybody else who is outside that circle is fair game for being put down. If you look differently from me, speak a different langauge, worship a different name for God, then you are open season.
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