Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Paul Craig Roberts on Georgia crisis: "President Bush, Will You Please Shut Up?"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:46 PM
Original message
Paul Craig Roberts on Georgia crisis: "President Bush, Will You Please Shut Up?"
"President Bush, Will You Please Shut Up?"

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

SNIP

Back in the Reagan years the National Endowment for Democracy was created as a cold war tool. Today the NED is a neocon-controlled agent for US world hegemony. Its main function is to pour US money and election-rigging into former constituent parts of the Soviet Union in order to ring Russia with American puppet states.

The neoconservative Bush Regime used the NED to intervene in Ukrainian and Georgian internal affairs in keeping with the neoconservative plan to establish US-friendly and Russia-hostile political regimes in these two former constituent parts of Russia and the Soviet Union.

SNIP

Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, told the Washington Post in 1991 that much of what the NED does “today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”

The Bush Regime, having established a puppet, Mikhail Saakashvili, as president of Georgia, tried to bring Georgia into NATO.


For readers too young to know, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was a military alliance between the US and Western European countries to resist any Soviet move into Western Europe (and to ensure European countries lined up behind the US, and bought its weapons systems. Editors) . There has been no reason for NATO since the Soviet Union’s internal political collapse almost two decades ago. The neocons turned NATO into another tool, like the NED, for US world hegemony. Subsequent US administrations violated the understandings that President Reagan had reached with Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, and have incorporated former parts of the Soviet empire into NATO. The neocon goal of ringing Russia with a hostile military alliance has been proclaimed many times.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08132008.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. Sounds like a super-lefty
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I think he would debate that point with you.
Anyone so inclined could email him and ask him directly what his thoughts are on being labeled a super-lefty.

From the link in the OP:
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: [email protected]
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Did you miss this part
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration.

This is a scathing condemnation of the war criminals and looters of the treasury. No wonder Roberts is pissed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #1
7. The term "Lefty" nowadays means, to me, truth teller. How can you see it any other way?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:05 AM
Response to Original message
4. Morning kick n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
5. Another kick n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:37 AM
Response to Original message
6. Radio Interview with Paul Craig Roberts


Paul Craig Roberts joins Alex Jones and discusses marshall (sic) law in Arkansas, the conflict in Georgia, scaring our allies to death by picking a fight the Russia nuclear bear and a Pravda editorial which asks President Bush to "shut up" because the entire world is sickened by the hypocrisy of the American president lecturing the rest of the world on human rights.

http://radiodujour.com/people/roberts_paul_craig/


(First segment on an Arkansas town experimenting with martial law as a way to keep the peace is only a few minutes. Most of the interview concerns the Georgia/Russia situation.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. Thanks n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. You should post the martial law clip on another thread
Fugging fascism.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. The head Minister of Defense and the foreign minister
are both former Israeli military officers and admittedly - Mosad and several others are Ukranian and American? WTF?????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:22 AM
Response to Original message
11. This part is ridiculous:
"he North Atlantic Treaty Organization was a military alliance between the US and Western European countries to resist any Soviet move into Western Europe"

Umm, technically NATO is a mutual defense pact, (although no one truly believes any NATO country would ever come to the defense of the US...)

But the silly part is the idea that it is good and noble to defend Western Europe from Russian aggression, but as to Eastern Europe... :silly:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. A mutual defense pact to defend each other
against an invasion from a now non-existent USSR who at the time could conceivably have marched into Western Europe to take it over in an attempt to forge a greater world Communist hegemony.

Now the hegemony shoe is on the other foot, with the power-mad, amoral, US-hegemony-pushing neocons determined to encircle and curtail Russian power and influence and even break up Russia itself to get control of its energy supplies.

Thank goodness the Russians at least have enough sense not to help the PNACers put their neocon-hegemony noose around Russia's own neck. Which makes them somewhat more sensible than most of the dumbed down, brainwashed-by-corporate-media-infotainment sheep in the USA, watching passively as the war criminal PNAC/neocon assholes in their government progressively tighten the noose around America's neck on their way to the creation of a full fledged police state.

The Western Encirclement of Russia

To understand Russian thinking, we need to look at two events. The first is the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. From the U.S. and European point of view, the Orange Revolution represented a triumph of democracy and Western influence. From the Russian point of view, as Moscow made clear, the Orange Revolution was a CIA-funded intrusion into the internal affairs of Ukraine, designed to draw Ukraine into NATO and add to the encirclement of Russia. U.S. Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton had promised the Russians that NATO would not expand into the former Soviet Union empire.

That promise had already been broken in 1998 by NATO’s expansion to Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic — and again in the 2004 expansion, which absorbed not only the rest of the former Soviet satellites in what is now Central Europe, but also the three Baltic states, which had been components of the Soviet Union.


The Russians had tolerated all that, but the discussion of including Ukraine in NATO represented a fundamental threat to Russia’s national security. It would have rendered Russia indefensible and threatened to destabilize the Russian Federation itself. When the United States went so far as to suggest that Georgia be included as well, bringing NATO deeper into the Caucasus, the Russian conclusion — publicly stated — was that the United States in particular intended to encircle and break Russia.

The second and lesser event was the decision by Europe and the United States to back Kosovo’s separation from Serbia. The Russians were friendly with Serbia, but the deeper issue for Russia was this: The principle of Europe since World War II was that, to prevent conflict, national borders would not be changed. If that principle were violated in Kosovo, other border shifts — including demands by various regions for independence from Russia — might follow. The Russians publicly and privately asked that Kosovo not be given formal independence, but instead continue its informal autonomy, which was the same thing in practical terms. Russia’s requests were ignored.

From the Ukrainian experience, the Russians became convinced that the United States was engaged in a plan of strategic encirclement and strangulation of Russia. From the Kosovo experience, they concluded that the United States and Europe were not prepared to consider Russian wishes even in fairly minor affairs. That was the breaking point. If Russian desires could not be accommodated even in a minor matter like this, then clearly Russia and the West were in conflict. For the Russians, as we said, the question was how to respond. Having declined to respond in Kosovo, the Russians decided to respond where they had all the cards: in South Ossetia.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/russo_georgian_war_and_balance_power



Obama's top foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, wrote in his book The Grand Chessboard, that the top priority for the U.S. was seizing control of the Eurasian Balkans.

Here are some sample quotes from the Grand Chessboard:

* The Eurasian Balkans include nine countries that one way or another fit the foregoing description, with two others as potential candidates. The nine are Kazakstan ... Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia ... as well as Afghanistan. (p.124)

* "Moreover, they (the Central Asian Republics) are of importance from the standpoint of security and historical ambitions to at least three of their most immediate and more powerful neighbors, namely Russia, Turkey and Iran, with China also signaling an increasing political interest in the region. But the Eurasian Balkans are infinitely more important as a potential economic prize: an enormous concentration of natural gas and oil reserves is located in the region, in addition to important minerals, including gold." (p.124)

* "Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power."- (p. xiii)

* "It is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America. The formulation of a comprehensive and integrated Eurasian geostrategy is therefore the purpose of this book.” (p. xiv)

In short, Brzezinski argues that Eurasia is the ultimate prize, and the key to controlling Eurasia is controlling the Eurasian Balkans, of which Georgia is a part.

It is clear that the US is following Brzezinski's playbook for the region.

Indeed, this is exactly what Mikhail Gorbachev was referring to when he wrote:

"By declaring the Caucasus, a region that is thousands of miles from the American continent, a sphere of its 'national interest,' the United States made a serious blunder."

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/us-following-brzezinskis-playbook-for.html


Can anyone wonder as to what the US response would be if Russia declared Mexico a sphere of its national interest and started shipping arms and troops into Mexico, and giving military training to the Mexican military while the trainers look on as Mexican troops stage a cross border raid into a US border town that kills a few thousand US civilians and military personnel?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. "Nato is pushing Russia into a new Cold War"

Nato is pushing Russia into a new Cold War

SNIP

Few would have believed that East-West relations should have so declined 20 years after the collapse of the Berlin Wall.

Nato itself has been a principle cause. With the collapse of Communism, the organisation lost its principal purpose.

But anyone familiar with large international organisations knows that no great military and bureaucratic machine is ever easily persuaded to dismantle itself or even shrink.

Jobs, pensions, prestigious appointments, fringe benefits, visa privileges and all the other comforts of officialdom were at stake.

So Nato set about devising a new role - expansion to the east.

This fitted all too well with Washington's expansionist instincts.

Every quarter of the globe is regarded as the business of the U.S.

Everyone is seen as needing American guidance, to say nothing of lectures on human rights and the rule of law (from the creators of Guantanamo Bay).

The expansionist urge gained impetus from the 'neo-cons' in the late 1990s, with their 'Project for the New American Century', in which they lamented a lack of forcefulness in Washington's policies.

Commanding huge sums of money, not least from the defence contractors, they succeeded in getting their pawn into the Oval Office and themselves into key government posts.

The American defence industry has good reason for backing the drive to the east.

The former Soviet satellites could be offered American military technology, naturally on comfortable terms.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1045057/ANDREW-ALEXANDER-Nato-pushing-Russia-new-Cold-War.html


Hey too bad Ronnie promised the Russkies that if they pulled out of Eastern Europe the West would allow them some breathing space and not push NATO right up onto their front doorstep. Politicians have a hard enough time keeping their own promises, far less promises made by their predecessors. Be realistic, those poor hard-done-by corporations of the military industrial complex have to keep sales up if they want to keep the year end bonuses flowing and corporate shareholders happy. If those East European countries which we promised would be kept out of NATO needed to buy a few billion dollars of NATO compatible armaments because they actually were to become part of NATO, and all went for the greater good of keeping MIC corporate profits up, what's a broken promise to a broken down ex-communist state along the way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC