Sometimes I wish ALL rappers would just STFU!!!

[CatWoman]

And this is helping HOW?

Ludacris Obama Video Denounced

At the same time, a line out of a new freestyle verse from rapper Ludacris posed a new celebrity-tinged question for the Obama campaign. "Hillary hated on you, so that bitch is irrelevant," Ludacris says in the song.

The rapper's remarks drew a sharp response from Sen. Clinton's former national finance co-chair, Yashar Hedayat.

"I hope Senator Obama has the presence of mind to denounce and distance himself from Ludacris," Hedayat wrote in an email to the Huffington Post. "In May, when Father Pfleger made those horrible remarks about Senator Clinton at Trinity United, Senator Obama didn't do much to defend her and John McCain was the first to rush to her defense."

Simultaneously, Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton released a statement saying:

"As Barack Obama has said many, many times in the past, rap lyrics today too often perpetuate misogyny, materialism, and degrading images that he doesn't want his daughters or any children exposed to. This song is not only outrageously offensive to Senator Clinton, Reverend Jackson, Senator McCain, and President Bush, it is offensive to all of us who are trying to raise our children with the values we hold dear. While Ludacris is a talented individual he should be ashamed of these lyrics."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/30/former-clinton-aide-chall_n_115896.html

[polichick]

1. I really don't like rap - but these guys could do good with their work. Sad, really.

[Deja Q]

2. Ludicrous can go sell bottles of Pepsi for all I care.

Coca-Cola is better...

[CatWoman]

6. oh, not you don't

how dare you compare Coke to Pepsi?????

Coke tastes like carmelized crud!!!

[TahitiNut]

13. Careful, luv. The Atlanta Chamber of Commerce knows where you live.

:evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

16. Ha!!!

and I think Georgia peaches suck!!!

I buy California peaches :)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. Well then so should flag humping country singers. nt

[CatWoman]

11. I agree with that, too

:thumbsup:

[Lyric]

74. Yes, but they are largely a problem of the Repuke party

This guy is an albatross that is hung squarely around Obama's neck.

He needs to do the right thing and apologize. Obama's election is more important than anything else right now.

[flvegan]

4. Not all rappers are as idiotic as Ludacris.

Some of them are very politically accurate without sounding like morons.

[Iris]

32. yeah, but what sells more records?

[flvegan]

Most rappers sell records

based on total content, not politics. If we chalked it up to "some" politics mixed in with everything else, both Eminem and the Beastie Boys have done quite well.

[zanne]

5. I'm torn on Rap.

First of all, I'm old, so I guess that lets me off the hook when I say I find it obscene and sexist. On the other hand, I think it's a great gift to free expression. I'd just like to see a liitle more creativity in the music itself. Hasn't it been around for about 100 years now? Isn't it time for something new?

[CatWoman]

14. don't get me wrong

I like SOME rap.

Having said that, the genre has devolved into something that I don't recognize anymore.

[maxsolomon]

15. introduce yourself to MIA

she's a british sri lankan who's dad was a tamil tiger. it doesn't sound like stereotypical male bragadoccio.

how old is old? i'm 44, and i remember the beginning of rap, circa 1981 (don't argue with me, hipsters - i know reggae toasting is "rap", too). that's not that long ago.

[CatWoman]

18. old goat

:)

seriously, tho - it's come a long, long way from Rapper's Delight.

THOSE were the days :)

[BalancedGoat]

43. There's good rap out there...

... you just won't find it on MTV. Good rap is harder to market to teens.

[urgk]

73. But...

If the author of the OP actually took the time to become informed about rap he/she would have less time to post shallow, sweeping generalizations.

So, of course you see the problem there.

[NightWatcher]

7. to be filed under "you're not helping" but thanks Ludacris

[maxsolomon]

8. i LOVE rap, and Luda is a bonehead.

this crap is going to dominate the news like it's dominating DU today.

with friends like these...

[TahitiNut]

9. "denounce and distance"???

Has the bar changed yet again?? I though Barack was required to "denounce and repudiate" upon demand. :eyes:

[fl410]

10. I wish they would all drink cyanide.

:shrug:

[Rabrrrrrr]

12. Oh fer fuck's sake, I wish people would stop expecting Persons A to decry unrelated Persons B

While I agree with your initial sentiment - I, too, wish rappers would shut the fuck up, but I come to that conclusion from an artistic and cultural standpoint - I do not agree with your reasoning.

To expect politicians - or anyone - to have to constantly defend or decry statements made by utterly unrelated people is abso-fucking-lutely ludicrous.

No pun intended.

Who fucking cares what a rapper, priest, or other person says about so-and-so that is utterly unrelated to some other so-and-so.

I sure as fuck don't.

[DS1]

17. agreed

[Rabrrrrrr]

51. Thank you!

:thumbsup:

[CatWoman]

20. After watching "Video Vixens", I've come to the conclusion

that the music industry sorely needs an enema.

I don't see anything "artistic" about the shit these fuckers pull.

[Rabrrrrrr]

55. I don't think there's anything artistic in it, either, which is why, I, too, want them to STFU

But I don't want them to shut the fuck up because an ignorant and lazy society now expects other people (who aren't the rappers) to defend or decry what they (the rappers) might be saying.

[Gold Metal Flake]

37. Agreed. What Obama now has to critically review every fucking album debut?

"Senator Obama wrote in his latest album critique that he was disappointed in the use of a vintage RCA Velocity Jr. mic on the kick instead of a Beyer dynamic."

[CatWoman]

44. I think because the video/album is a celebration of Obama's candidacy

so I would think that Obama would have something to say about it, no?

[Gold Metal Flake]

61. If he didn't arrange for it, then it should not be his problem.

It's just more Corporate Media assfuckery.

[CatWoman]

63. I think it's along the same lines as Farrahkhan's endorsement

as in, "damned if he does; damned if he doesn't" condemn the person giving the endorsement.

[Rabrrrrrr]

49. And take a full page ad in the NY Times every day with his opinion on yesterday's op-eds,

every political statement made by any DJ and talk radio host anywhere in the country, and a complete rundown of every political TV show, humorous and serious.

It's gettin' goddamned ludicrous.

[NoSheep]

82. Excellent post.

[Fuzz]

19. Out of all the people I wish would STFU, he's not even in the top 10.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. A real gangsta-ass n**** plays his cards right.

A real gangsta-ass n**** never runs his fuckin mouth
Cuz real gangsta-ass n****s don't start fights
And n****s always gotta high cap
Showin' all his boys how he shot em
But real gangsta-ass n****s don't flex nuts
Cuz real gangsta-ass ni***s know they got em
And everythings cool in the mind of a gangsta
Cuz gangsta-ass n****s think deep
Up three-sixty-five a year 24/7
Cuz real gangsta ass n****s don't sleep

And all I gotta say to you
Wannabe, gonnabe, ****suckin', *****-eatin' prankstas
Cuz when the fire dies down what the fuck you gonna do
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta

[CatWoman]

22. HA!!

a lot of those so-called "gangstas" ain't nothing but punks.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[CatWoman]

24. why can't I hate both?

:)

:hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. Riddle me this, Catwoman.

Which part do you find yourself disagreeing with Ludacris on?

:shrug:

[CatWoman]

28. he called Hillary a bitch in the lyrics

I'm sick to death of ALL rappers disrespecting women - regardless of race.

that's all they are about - their claim to fame: beating up on women.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Is that it?

[CatWoman]

33. I think that's enough

:shrug:

on edit: if his goal is to help Obama via this song, perhaps he should choose another mechanism.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Really?

Even though you've started several thread yourself wherein you call women bitches?

:shrug:

[CatWoman]

39. Well, stupid is as stupid does

Some women are. I'll be upfront and admit that. And DU has made me and others take a step back and think about using that and other words. I believe the rules were amended to reflect that.


Furthermore, I don't make my living degrading ALL women.

ON EDIT: I saw this special about a year ago, and have come to realize that rappers and their abuse of women need to be seriously addressed: http://shop.vh1.com/Confessions-of-a-Video-Vixen-VH1-Recommends_stcVVproductId3342990VVcatId423749VVviewprod.htm

[Neecy]

52. it's not just women (some) disrespect

Some rappers hate gay people, too...

http://www.radaronline.com/quiz/2008/06/rappers_pastors_homophobia_50_cent_jerry_falwell_01.php

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. Some opera singers hate Jews.

What's your point?

[CatWoman]

58. that you're a fucking nut?

:rofl:

[Neecy]

59. really?

Tell you what...read some of the quotes in that link, and then kindly provide even ONE statement equally hateful against Jews from an Opera singer.

Thanks. I'll hold my breath waiting.

Dumbass.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. Oh, I'm sorry I sullied your pure, aryan art form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsifal#Criticism_and_Influence

Ignorant cow.

[Neecy]

64. Wagner was an Opera singer?

Who knew?

And you call ME ignorant?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. No, he was the anti-semitic composer.

The people who sang it were the singers.

:shrug:

[Neecy]

72. Bzzzzzzzz...wrong answer

So, anyone who sings Wagner is automatically anti-Semitic? Don't you look foolish.

Feeble. Very feeble. Babbling about Wagner - a dumb comparison - to excuse the vicious homophobia of these assholes is just a complete straw man. Hey, look! Opera singers hate Jews, even though I can't come up with one single quote from an actual singer!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

80. Hmm, so you're saying artistic license is only for white people.

Interesting.

[Neecy]

90. who said anything about white people?

One of the most vicious homophobic rappers is Eminem, a little white punk who could get his ass kicked by many gay men I know. My objections have nothing to do with race. Interjecting it here is another straw man.

Hey, if you think these 'kill faggots' messages are acceptable, then enjoy yourself. Listen away. Personally, I view it as a death sentence for gay men and women because it encourages gay bashing and anti-gay violence and I have every reason to condemn it.

[StrongBad]

25. Can't think of that track without thinking of "Office Space" anymore

[trof]

27. Rap sux.

There, I said it.
It ain't 'music'* by any stretch of the imagination.
It's some kind of sometimes rhyming slang that I'm sure does reflect the pain and gritty existence of ghetto 'gangstas' and their (apparently) legions of wannabes.

*Music: See Gershwin(s), Rodgers and Hart/Hammerstein, Mercer, Porter, Berlin, Ellington, Kerns, Carmichael, et al.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Songbook

And I just KNOW I'm going to regret this post in the morning.
However, in vino, veritas.

Take your best shot.
I'm bulletproof.
;-)

[CatWoman]

31. I have to respectfully disagree with you, Trof

that's my one and only shot.

[trof]

36. We agree to disagree.

I admit a to geezer's taste in music.
The older I get, the more I long for the music of my youth.
And you are very kind.
Thank you.
:hug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Don't feel too bad.

People like you play an important role in the ecosystem.

[CatWoman]

46. LOL, That's okay

I've been buying a lot of "old school" music lately -- Temptations, Four Tops, Marvin Gaye, etc.

That's when music really was music :)

:hi:

[DerBeppo]

53. Bulletproof? Don't you mean musketproof?

With a brush that broad you can whitewash a fence twice as fast as that young Tom Sawyer whippersnapper.

[urgk]

68. Perhaps you'll appreciate this response to your sweeping generalisation --

Cable:
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught

[RadiationTherapy]

88. BOOORRRRRIIINNNNG.

[Nickster]

29. Not all rappers are bad, check out this song by a rapper called Paris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONFPcnGtem4

[EFerrari]

35. When did Obama become responsible for all popular culture?

He's our candidate, not the OverLord. lol

[Phredicles]

40. Plus, if he does take responsiblity for popular culture,

why then he's just being presumptuous, elititst Obama all over again.

[EFerrari]

42. Lol! So true. He's intrusive or irresponsible. Bad, bad Obama!

:)

I love that Axelrod is smarter than those bozos and makes them look like idiots six of seven days of the week. What a relief. :toast:

[H2O Man]

38. I've always thought

that square-dancing is an early form of rap. (Well, not always. But someone said that once, and at times like these, I think about it.)

[EFerrari]

45. That's good.

LOL!

[CatWoman]

48. LOL

I've been square dancing a couple times.

Can you believe that? :hi:

[JuniperLea]

50. I agree!

My granddad called square dances... do si do and an allemande left to a grand right and left, bow to your partner, bow to your corner, take that little corner gal out for a stroll... hahaha! I still remember! Too funny.

[CatWoman]

54. and leave it to H20 Man to make that comparison

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

57. Indeed! He's one cat I've love to do a Vulcan mind meld with!

Imagine!

[spanone]

47. wait till they go after obama's drug admissions....obama is not responsible for every black person

as the media might have us believe

we saw swiftboats with kerry, we're gonna have lightening speedboats with barack

[urgk]

60. Sometimes I wish all white people would STFU!!!

Especially country musicians. And then I realize that I'm probably stereotyping and showing my ethnocentric fears. And that maybe there are some white people who aren't prejudiced or culturally deficient. And that there are probably some white people with justifiable anger or a story to tell and the raw talent to express it in a valid art form.

Oh, and then I realize I'm white.

FFS people. You don't have to like the genre, but leave the dull-witted, xenophobic pig-ignorance to the Conservatives.

[DainBramaged]

66. And why is Obama responsible for this????????

[stillcool]

67. I'm going to say some nasty shit..

that 'some' people are not going to like, just so Obama can renounce, denounce, and reject me.

[blues90]

69. I don't really care who it is !

All we have come to is not called progress, if anyone feels resorting to name calling and degrading people based on looks or for any other reason at all then we have lost perspective of humanity and respect for others in general.

I don't think any of this sort of cheap insane crap helps , it does quite the opposite.

The easiest thing to do is lash out with cheap shots and the most effective thing to do is to stick to the issues, we might actually get somewhere.

I thought Randi Rhodes showed how low class and ignorant she really is when she made her comments about Hillary.

There is free speech but there is also common sense and respect given
for respect in return.

We live in some spoiled child like delusional world now where anything goes. If it can gather attention then they feel it's just fine until it comes back and bites them in the ass.

If I met someone who acted this way I would keep on walking and never look back.

It's a sick sorry joke that is not even laughable.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Oh, the cognitive dissonance!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6525621&mesg_id=6525621

[blues90]

71. And this proves what?

I don't see where I used name calling or used physical assults or age . Why not look at the replies this brought then tell me all about it. I used the word freak. Look up the word.

What exactly is your point other than as always, come along with a comment with an attempt to put me down. Don't you have anything better to do?

Show me one post where I called one person anything at all since you are in the search mode.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

81. You just called Randi Rhodes "ignorant."

So you did use name calling, didn't you?

Not too bright.

[blues90]

85. ignorant is name calling ?

Give me a damn break . Face the reality , you are only pecking round because I happen not to like Obama.

There are many things I don't agree with you on at all but I am not looking for some lame way or go out of my way to come here and try to slam you for anything.

If you have a beef with me then why not just say it and come out of the dark.

What are you trying to do,bring me down to the level you have displayed in this thread? Or are you attempting to justify your own actions? If you want to defend this rapper , go for it, who the hell cares, I could care less , i don't even know who he is and I don't care to.

Yes Randi calling Hillary a f-ing whore was really impressive stuff , really does a lot of good to resort to this sort of thing doesn't it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

89. Well, yeah.

The difference between you and Ludacris is that Ludacris is talented and has artistic license.

He's probably not a hypocrite either.

[blues90]

79. Well , what happened Bornaginhooligan

I'm still waiting for your backup to your sound off.

[morgan2]

75. omg he used the word bitch

how dare he.

[KG]

76. Chuggo rules!

[Dr. Strange]

83. Chuggo is probably the only contemporary rap artist with a real message.

I hope he gives hiphop the street cred that it had when Vanilla Ice was letting the truth be known.

[rucky]

77. He lives up to his name. n/t

[RadiationTherapy]

78. ALL rappers in ALL CAPS. That's a very broad brush for a very broad art form

[Danieljay]

84. Dems are our own worst enemy. n/t

[urgk]

86. Well, we're up there in the top 2 anyway. n/t

[krabigirl]

87. It's just a song...