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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:24 PM
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Biden, Lugar, Kerry, Hagel letter to Gates & Rice on long-term Iraq agreements
http://biden.senate.gov/press/press_releases/release/?id=C3AD16DD-697E-4FED-96C9-2A177EE3F206

We write regarding the two agreements that the Administration is negotiating with Iraq. The Committee held a hearing on these two agreements on April 10, during which Administration witnesses told the Committee that the Executive Branch would consult closely with Congress “throughout the entire process.”

Thus far, the Administration has not followed through on this commitment. Members submitted questions following the April hearing, many of which remain unanswered. During a May 21st briefing of staff -- the first since the April hearing -- Administration officials indicated that the negotiations have been progressing, but that Iraq has proposed significant changes to the form of the agreements. Administration officials also indicated that Iraq may be reluctant to grant some of the authorities the United States now has by virtue of the U.N. Security Council Resolution, which are required for U.S. operations. The hearing and staff briefings have provided scant detail on what these agreements will contain, despite clear bipartisan expressions at the hearing that our Committee and the Congress as a whole expected the Administration to be fully transparent about its intentions and the progress of deliberations.

The Administration is attempting to conclude a long-term agreement that will provide a “security arrangement” to a strategically important country in which 140,000 U.S. troops and tens of thousands of civilian contractors currently are stationed. Even under many withdrawal scenarios, we may have a substantial number of troops in Iraq for an extended period of time. Our troops will continue to face an extraordinarily complex environment that could include contingencies ranging from ethnic strife and internal territorial disputes to terrorist attacks, foreign incursions, or even coup attempts. Regardless of election outcomes in November, the Congress will be responsible for supporting our troops and diplomats and the missions to which they will be committed under such agreements. The Constitutional and legal implications of these potentially sweeping arrangements remain an issue of deep concern to many in Congress. Even without the appeals expressed at our April hearing, it should be apparent to the Administration that Congress requires much more detailed consultations than have been forthcoming thus far.

Furthermore, the question of whether Congress or the Senate must approve these agreements remains an open issue, and will not be resolved until the agreements are concluded. In this regard, however, we note that both the House and Senate Appropriations Committees included language barring implementation of these agreements in the supplemental appropriations legislation. While these restrictions may not be in the version the President will sign, this activity indicates a level of discomfort in Congress that will not abate on its own.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:31 PM
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1. Good. Rec'd. nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:34 PM
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2. Looks like SFRC is taking a stand. Lugar must be in pain at this point.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:42 PM
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3. Keep `em honest, guys!
Does this administration ever come thru with what they promise?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:58 PM
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4. K&R.
Take it to 'em.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:16 PM
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5. Vigilance. Eternal. Required.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:35 PM
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6. Biden, Lugar, Kerry, & Hagel respect the Constitution.


We need to IMPEACH Bush & Cheney before they ram this through (& before they bomb Iran.)
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:53 AM
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7. "these restrictions may not be in the version the President will sign"
Why the fuck not?

Why? Because this letter is a rare window into the true bi-partisan support for our occupation of Iraq.

It is going to continue:

"...a substantial number of troops in Iraq for an extended period of time."

And these guys seem to be saying that these agreements would stand even after a change of administration:

"Regardless of election outcomes in November, the Congress will be responsible for supporting our troops and diplomats and the missions to which they will be committed under such agreements."

Biden, Kerry and the rest of the neo-liberal, interventionist endless-warriors in the Senate are going to use this Bush deal as cover for staying in Iraq even after January 2009. They aren't saying, "hell no you don't!" They're saying, "don't do this deal without consulting us."

You heard it here first.

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:41 AM
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8. Yeah, I'm less than impressed with their letter myself
They use an awful lot of words to say very little as politely as possible. And I note there's no mention of Bush**'s disgraceful attempt to blackmail Iraq into accepting endless occupation.

Disappointing to say the least.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:04 AM
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10. These guys, as opposed to you
are realists and know what the hell they are talking about. Do you think it is realistic to assume that come next year we just pick up all our toys and go home the fastest way we can find? It would be nice in an ideal world, but in case you did not notice, the world we live in is FAR from ideal. It's not going to happen and it should not happen. What on earth do you think that he often repeated "as careful coming out as we were careless going in" mean???
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:36 PM
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11. So we should have long term bases then?
Because that's what I am opposing. If we leave fairly quickly (but not over night) power will coalesce around a Shiite leadership friendly to Iran. And it will be more stable than it is now. And that's just fine, because the power-politics of the Middle East just aren't that important compared to getting our guys out of there.

"realists" is the neo-lib dog-whistle shorthand for "let's rule the world by force, because of course we have to, cuz that's just what adults do." I don't support that shit.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:12 PM
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12. I agree about no bases
and so do, as far as I know Biden, Kerry, Hagel, and I assume Lugar as well. There was nothing said or implied about bases in their statement nor in my comment. As to your interpretation of what "realist" means, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. These 4 guys most definitely do NOT think like that.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:31 PM
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13. They said in the letter
that we will have a "substantial" presence for an "extended" period of time. They do not give voice to any opposition to bases. They also say that Congress will be obligated to support this agreement after it's enacted. They could just as easily have said this won't mean shit come January. But they didn't say that.

As for the "realist" thing, sadly, both Biden and Lugar are long-time supporters of the bi-partisan American foreign policy consensus that has led us to the precipice on which we now stand.

They have both supported (and so do Kerry and Hagel to a lessor degree) the massive military budgets of the last 20 years. They both support the proposition that we need to project military force worldwide at all times. They both support our network of 700+ military bases scattered around the world. They both believe we need to force open foreign markets and access foreign resources with "free trade" agreements. They both support many ongoing covert activities in other countries intended to influence political outcomes in those places. And on and on and on. In short, Lugar, and yes Biden, have both been staunch backers of the concept of "American Empire" their entire careers.

I happen to believe these Imperial policies are bankrupting America both financially and morally. I believe they are literally suicidal. So I therefore disagree with Biden and Lugar (and, sadly, most of my "realist" fellow Democrats).

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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:46 AM
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9. If they would just through the GOP off the hill....
they would not have to do this shit.
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