Whoever said "dead men tell no tales" - OBL just won't shut up!

[bhikkhu]

http://current.com/items/88957157_new_bin_laden_message_released

"To the western nations, soon, God willing, A new speech by the Lion of Islam Sheikh Osama Bin Laden, The reasons of the struggle in the 60th anniversary of the Israeli Occupation...." yadayadayada...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

A guy who has reportedly died so many times from so many different causes really needs to get a grip on the reality of his situation, stop messing with US elections, and deal with it!

[Guaranteed]

1. Dems need to stop with the "OBL is dead" stuff.

It doesn't sound like he is. And, CIA plant or not, dude attacked us and killed a lot of people.

And our "President" has failed to stop him with his policies.


So stop acting like he isn't an issue.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. What he said...oh and blowback does not care if you are a dem or a right winger

blowback will kill gladly... and is a problem

[tom_paine]

3. There is also the distinct possibility that he is still working for the Bushies.

There is the distinct possibility that he never stopped working for them.

Why else would they allow him to remain free all these years?

[Guaranteed]

4. Exactly.

The circumstances don't matter.

[orleans]

12. at this point in time...who does this country despise more? georgie or obl?

hard call.

[aquart]

13. Cockroaches all look alike to me.

[chknltl]

5. IMO: He needs to be found dead or alive.

I don't care if he was a fool or a tool, he needs to be brought to task if he is alive or his body needs to be located. Letting him run loose alive, he is a danger to this planet. If he is dead he still presents a danger in that there are those who would use his image to deceive us into believing that he is alive and using that deception to modify our collective opinion to further their own agendas. (Are there any doubts that those agendas run contrary to the better interests of the majority of the citizens on our planet?)

Either way he presents a danger. For this reason, imo., OBL or his body needs to be recovered for all to see.

[aquart]

14. NO. That potato is way too hot.

As a prisoner or an identified corpse, he's a martyr and rallying point. As the man who ran away and never came out of hiding...just a wee bit of a big fat coward to the men on the lines.

Way better we never find him.

[chknltl]

15. Yes, you have a point...perhaps he will fade away but

...I suspect his being a hero of the Muslim extremists will neither increase nor decrease his membership from the ranks of the normal Muslims. Although I do not know this, I can not believe that the average Muslim believes OBL to be the big hero that his local buds in northern Pakistan think him to be. If he is captured and brought to trial and eventually jailed or executed, his followers would likely grow even more angry, likely wanting to seek retribution BUT would their NUMBERS actually grow significantly?

Furthermore, should we truly fear his martyrdom when he truly is a criminal of global proportions? He murdered each and every one of those people on 9-11. DELIBERATELY allowing him to run free, (if indeed he is alive and free), is a submission on our part a submission prompted by fear. That would mean that the terrorist and his plan has won! We want the world to know that we are a just nation and a nation of laws willing to back those laws up when they are broken, especially like this.

Do we want to acknowledge to the world that we FEAR Bin Laden this way? Won't this STRENGTHEN his numbers if we leave him alone? Osama Bin Laden kicked America's ass and they couldn't do squat about it! You and I may not see it that way but what about those kids in Northern Pakistan? What about undereducated impoverished citizens of the Muslim world who have been displaced by the bush fiasco? Here is a leader that can get them retribution with a PROVEN TRACK RECORD! Here is a rally point and a general to lead them on!

You have a point though, we would likely open the door to more terrorist acts but I will argue that by leaving him alone he is allowed to plot those same acts himself and actually grow in strength. Should we get him, we risk pretty much the same terrorist acts but I believe that there will be fewer terrorists to deal with in the long run.

As I stated earlier, he can be used, dead or alive as a tool by those who care little for our democracy. The ones I worry most about are in our government or control significant chunks of our government. They are the ones who need to be stopped. As it sits now, a bush operative could blow up a dirty nuke in one of our malls, another bush operative in the C.I.A. parades out a fake OBL tape boasting of the attack and off we go AGAIN!!!! This time with Marshal Law, a suspension of our democracy and more President bush due to suspended elections! Yes a hypothetical scene but my point is: OBL's image can be used by the bfee and not in a way that favors the needs of America but serves the needs of his cronies agenda's.

IMO it works out better for more folks if he is found, dead or alive than to leave him out there as a boogyman who could easily come back to bite us again!

[Mind_your_head]

6. .

:eyes:

[bhikkhu]

7. Maybe I just don't "get" the obsession and fear.

5.4 million have died in the Congo war, since 1998. I imagine few would like to admit that 5.4 million people could die in a war they never heard of. It doesn't even really have a catchy name - maybe that's the problem.

Over a million civilians are supposed to have died in Iraq - that's got a lot to do with us.

A person could post list after list of screwed up stuff (we're still dropping bombs and pulling strings in Somalia!)...but some bogus tape by a person whose kidneys failed years ago and who has been presumed dead for years by most of the world (those who don't watch FOX news) comes up and its a big media engineered 'fraidy moment...

The world has bigger problems, and most of them are not manufactured fictions.

[Guaranteed]

8. All of that is totally irrelevant. nt

[bhikkhu]

9. I'd agree, but then we need a new word that means what "irrelevant" used to mean

edit to add: "War on Terror", "War on Global Islamic Extremism" or whatever they are calling it now.

It gets repugs elected, and it gets a bunch of people in this country afraid enough to read about a million dead civilians and think it was worth it. Pretty relevant if you know some of the dead, or some of the refugees, or just get kind of annoyed to know the screwed up crap your taxes are paying for.

[Guaranteed]

10. It sounds like you're just arguing against defending ourselves

from terrorist organizations if it comes to putting our military in a country.

[bhikkhu]

11. So the assumptions have not been laid out -

what country should our military be in to defend our country from terrorism?

I am expecting here something like Bill O would provide...like we live in a world not of people with families and jobs and so forth, but of terrorist organizations bent upon the destruction of our hateful selves.