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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:19 PM
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Liberal or Authoritarian? Find out where you REALLY stand by taking the test:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/index

How close are your political views to those of the candidates you support, and to other political figures throughout history? You may be surprised....
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:35 PM
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1. So let me get this straight?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 11:37 PM by Downtown Hound
The four options on this test are, Authoritarian right or authoritarian left, and then, Libertarian left or Libertarian right? You're either an Authoritarian or a Libertarian. Me thinks this is another one of those bullshit Libertarian tests.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:36 PM
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2. It's not libertarian the way you're thinking.
Take the test. You'll see. I think it makes more sense to have two axes rather than just left/right.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:39 PM
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3. I did take the test
And I found it complete bullshit. Just a lame attempt to pigeonhole people into boxes they can easily categorize. I got Libertarian Left by the way, but it means absolutely nothing to me because I found its conclusions rather lame. And just so you know, I've taken tests like this before, and more often than not they're put out by the Libertarian Party.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:45 PM
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5. Based on your response, perhaps your actual rating should have been more towards authoritarian
Edited on Sun May-04-08 11:46 PM by Psephos
My experience has been that those who gravitate toward "secret cabal" explanations tend to have an authoritarian inclination. Not saying that's good or bad, just what I've observed.

Yes, I differentiate between your response (which I can see) and yourself (which I know nothing about beyond the response).

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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:53 PM
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11. Secret Cabal? What are you talking about?
I was talking about the structure of the test. There are a few very common political tests like this one floating around that have been put out the the Libertarian Party, and some of them have shown up on DU over the years by well meaning but ultimately clueless DU'ers who think that they're posting a non-partisan test to determine where they lie on the political spectrum, when in fact they're posting Libertarian propaganda. This test reads exactly like those.

What exactly does authoritarian left mean? That you kill people who's views are different from yours? Or maybe that you favor requiring people to spend their tax dollars on things like welfare? In case you didn't know, there are many on the right who view this as authoritarianism. I myself do not. That's the problem I have with tests like these. They peddle simple minded questions and give simple minded answers. And more often than not, there is a political agenda behind them. If you want to call that a secret cabal mentality, then be my guest. I wasn't aware that the Libertarian Party was a secret cabal.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:09 AM
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22. Don't get exercised, no offense offered or intended :-)
You may be right about the Libertarian Party being behind a wave of such tests. Or you may not be. Either way, it has no pejorative significance.

Your two posts up-thread made it sound like you suspected a (very mild) conspiratorial effort by the Libertarian Party (of which I am not a member nor care to be). I've observed that those who look for behind-the-scenes manipulators of events tend toward the authoritarian side of the continuum. God knows there are a thousand examples posted on DU every day.

FWIW, I placed mildly Libertarian, and moderately left myself on that test - just like you.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:47 PM
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6. Are you sayinbg you are NOT libertarian, but authoritarian?
I would think Libertarian Left is the ideal place to be. It shows you believe in social justice, and personal freedom. Better than being Authoritarian Left with the likes of Stalin.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:57 PM
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13. I'm saying that pigeonholing people into boxes like that
ultimately means nothing. If you didn't take the test, the reason why I found its conclusions so wrongheaded was because there were very few questions about human rights and how they relate to the law. Most of them were economic questions, which is why I wonder how they could classify anyone as authoritarian at all.

Basically I just thought the test was lame.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:08 AM
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21. Ah. I understand. So you are the type of person who thinks this test is lame. (nt)
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:15 AM
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24. That's right. I thought I gave a fairly decent reason as to why
But if you want to boil it down to simple explanations, then be my guest. It's lame because it doesn't ask any questions relating to what an authoritarian is, yet it classifies half of all the respondents as being one.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:59 PM
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15. Here's some historical figures for comparison:


Modern political figures:



U.S. Primaries 2008:



Election 2004:

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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:26 AM
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26. Okay, so Thomas Friedman is Libertarian Right
Yet he is one of the Iraq War's biggest cheerleaders but also favors the government doing something about global warming. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and John Edwards are all authoritarian right. Any wonder why I think this test sucks?
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:34 AM
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28. I think they're referring to Milton Friedman, but I may be wrong.
And yes, I do wonder why you think this test sucks. It looks to me like they've got Obama, Clinton, Kerry, and Edwards placed in the correct quadrant. They may seem left/libertarian in our very, very narrow range of political discourse in th U.S., but since the makers of this test are not from here, they can probably see them more objectively. And although I know I'm not objective, that's where I would have stuck them, too.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:37 AM
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30. Perhaps you're right about Friedman
but how would you classify Edwards as authoritarian right?
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:42 AM
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32. This test is taking a view that is wider than that we are typically exposed to
in the U.S. In the U.K. or Europe, our Democrats would be considered conservative. And Pinkos like me in the U.S. concur.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:46 AM
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35. Yep. When I canvassed for Kerry in 2004 I was paired with a Tory from
London. I asked him why he supported Kerry. He said "Because we Tories see him as own kind of conservative. Your Democrats are very much like our conservatives, and your conservatives scare the rest of us".
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:47 AM
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36. Still not a credible explanation in my opinion
I think you need to be really careful in branding someone an authoritarian. That was my problem with the test. I found it very narrow minded to simply classify people two groups divided into subgroups: authoritarian or not. To me an authoritarian is someone that does not tolerate disagreement. I see no signs of that in Barack Obama, John Edwards, or John Kerry. If you can give me some credible info otherwise, I'll listen. But until then, my opinion on this test stands.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:57 AM
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42. None of them are opposed to the drug war, the war on terror, the
increasing militariztion of our domestic police forces, or other manifestations of the American Police state. Kerry and Edwards both voted for the original Patriot Act.

Those are some specific expamples.

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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:07 AM
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48. And once again, there are a whole host of reasons for that
such as, they might actually want to win the presidency. As much as I am with you on all those issues and think that all those things need to be opposed, with the way our country is today and our media, do you really think that anybody that ran on that kind of platform would stand a chance at winning? They'd have a better chance at winning the presidency based on which of them could fart the loudest.

I'm willing to bet that privately Obama despises the drug war and all it has done to decimate the African American community. But there are political realities to consider, and I'm willing to give my candidates some slack on these issues to an extent in the hopes that one of them wins and is able to as much good with the presidency as possible. As for those issues you mention, it's up to us grassroots folk to change the mood in America and free up a future politician to be able to take on those issues and not automatically lose.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:37 AM
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55. If that's the case then why aren't they calling for the repeal of the Patriot act?
The political reality is that the vast majority of Americans-including pretty much every voting Democrat, Green and Libertarian, wants the patriot act repealed. Another political reality; over 70% of Americans want our troops brought home from Iraq. Most Americans also want more investment in alternative energies and think that ethanol is a horrible idea; yet ethanol is a major component of both Obama and HRC's energy platforms.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:00 AM
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65. Exactly, precisely n/t
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:01 PM
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67. Dunno. Washington bubble mentality maybe?
If there's one thing that's become obvious to me over the past eight years, it's that politicians of both parties live in a bubble completely separated from everyday life. I wish they would repeal the Patriot Act, but still, I understand that there are lots of political intricacies at work here, which is why I don't simply label people into two camps, authoritarian and not authoritarian. I think it's more complicated than that. You could say that anyone that backs the Patriot Act is an authoritarian, because it is an authoritarian piece of legislature, but as for myself, I don't go for simple black and white labels.

I don't really think there's any excuse for not repealing the Patriot Act, but I'm not about jump on the "if you don't repeal it then you're an authoritarian" bandwagon. FDR interred thousands of innocent Japanese during WW2 simply because of their nationality of origin, yet he also led America out of The Great Depression and through World War 2. He created Social Security and the New Deal. Was he a horrible tyrant and an authoritarian? What was done to those Japanese was clearly wrong, but does that mean that that one decision completely defines FDR as a man and a president? I'm not giving him and what he did to those Japanese or anybody that supports the Patriot Act a pass here. I'm just saying that life doesn't always fit into neat little boxes of right and wrong, and people can't always be classified into nice neat labels of what they are. Human beings are much deeper than that.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:17 AM
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49. There is nothing wrong with being a little authoritarian. (Like John Edwards as per graph)
Compelling somebody to do something, be it supporting welfare or fighting in a war or something else does tend to lean authoritarian, but the hang-up is people automatically think any bit of authoritarianism is necessarily a bad thing, and it's not. The world is painted in shades of gray instead of black or white. While the labels "authoritarian" and "libertarian" come across as black or white, the point of the graph on 2-axis is to demonstrate that nobody truly fits the definition of authoritarian or libertarian.

If total authoritarianism were 10, and total libertarianism were -10, and a person lands somewhere as 2 or 3, that doesn't mean that he should be placed in the same category as Stalin or Hitler, both of whom probably rank at somewhere between 8 and 10.

I took the test and found myself on the far left in terms of economic policy, a socialist. That's fine because it told me something I already knew, and the test pegged me about as libertarian in methodology as Gandhi. That seemed to make sense as well, since I reject any form of socialism that requires a vast centralized decision-making body that sets prices and allots resources. That way lies abuse and eventual tyranny. I favor a decentralized system such as market socialism, instead of boards or committees that basically decide how the economy runs.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:31 AM
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51. Well, those are all good points
But like you said, the world is painted in shades of gray rather than black or white. And tests like these usually paint it in black and white, whether or not they mean to. I guess that's all I was trying to say.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:34 AM
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52. Well said, Selatius.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #26
47. if you talk to people from other countries
they will tell you that ALL the candidates this year are right side politicians. Center is much more leftward in Europe.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:48 PM
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8. I'm pretty sure this test comes from the U.K.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:01 AM
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18. It is
I looked for a decent American version, but couldn't find one.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:30 PM
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69. Why?
One of the main criticisms of American politics is its lack of depth and breadth. Our two party system forces us to choose between batshit crazy right and center right. Our entire political dialog from our elem-hi educational institutions to our corporate media is confined to the batshit crazy right to the center right. But just because we, as Americans, are politically illiterate, it doesn't mean global standards that define political affiliation do not exist.

That is, a constrained American political reality DOES NOT define the global standard with which to judge ones political compass.

If one were to judge ones political affiliation solely on one's country of origin, then someone like GWB would look remarkably reasonable in Kim Jong-il's North Korea.
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Laverdadtelibrara Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:59 PM
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16.  I took it
and it looks like I'm a reagan democrat.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:35 AM
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29. That's gotta hurt. My sympathies. Perhaps they pegged you wrong?
Edited on Mon May-05-08 12:51 AM by Herdin_Cats
Maybe you should re-take it. I would if I got such insulting results.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:01 AM
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The definition of libertarian
from which the political party took its name:

a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty especially of thought and action

authoritarian, on the other hand, is:

of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority, of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people

The choice of words is unfortunate because of the political party. Also the use of "left" and "right" are problematic since those don't have nice definitions like liberty or authority. The subtitle (collectivism - emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity) is more accurate (which puts most members of the Libertarian party in the Libertarian Right - ironically Ron Paul is placed in the Authoritarian Right while Mike Gravel is the Libertarian Right). With the exception of Kucinich, Nadar, and Gravel, every single of the 2008 candidates are in the Authoritarian Right - no wonder I hate most of them and love Kucinich!
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:06 AM
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19. I understand the definition of Libertarian
The reason why I thought this test might have been put out by the Libertarian Party is because of the questions it asked. it asked very few questions about law, human rights, civil rights, and the like while asking a lot of questions about economics. Usually, that's the exact same thing the Libertarian tests do. You can be the world's biggest civil rights champ, but if you say something like the government should pay for health care, then suddenly you're an authoritarian because you're dictating to them how they should spend their money. I disagree with that conclusion.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:22 AM
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25. Funny, I tend to believe that stuff
and was not branded Authoritarian. Neither was Kucinich. Or Nadar. In this test, that puts you on the left economically.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:34 AM
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27. And yet, Kerry, Edwards, and Obama were all labeled
authoritarian right. So was Hillary Clinton. What questions do you think they answered that caused them to end up there? All those people are many things. Authoritarian right isn't one of them.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #27
33. Read where they are on the issues on their own websites
yes, it is where they belong.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:50 AM
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39. Citing an example of authoritarianism in one's political philosophy
should not be difficult. I have no desire to sift through all those websites to see if it's there. Since you claim to have already done so, perhaps you could tell me what makes them authoritarian.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:54 AM
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41. Neither has said that they will do away with the Patriot Act. Let's look at
Wikipedia's definition of Authoritarianism:

Authoritarianism describes a form of social control characterized by strict obedience to the authority of a state or organization, often maintaining and enforcing control through the use of oppressive measure. Authoritarian regimes are generally considered to be highly hierarchical.

In an authoritarian form of government, citizens are subject to state authority in many aspects of their lives, including many matters that other political philosophies would see as erosion of civil liberties and freedom. There are various degrees of authoritarianism; even very democratic and liberal states will show authoritarianism to some extent, for example in areas of national security. Usually, an authoritarian government is undemocratic and has the power to govern without consent of those being governed.

John Duckitt suggests a specific link exists between authoritarianism and collectivism.<1> He claims that in both cases individual rights and goals are subjugated to group goals, expectations and conformities.<2> However, many of those supporting collectivism who are critical of the collectivisation which took place in the Soviet Union in the 1920s and of the Communist tradition thereafter, claim to include various degrees of voluntary and consensus politics as a basis of collectivism, and argue that collectivism is the opposite of authoritarianism.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:00 AM
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45. Not doing away with an act
is not automatically the same as believing in it. I wish they would say they would do away with it, but in the nature of our current political climate, it's not surprising to me that they don't. You can call that whatever you want, cowardice, political expedience, pandering, whatever. It is too simple an answer for an issue that is much broader and with far more strings attached. That's my whole point. Simply branding someone an authoritarian on the basis of one issue such as they haven't said they would repeal the Patriot Act is jumping the gun a little. It's putting someone in a box that they might not belong in. I guess you could say I find it authoritarian.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:48 AM
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56. Um, the vast, VAST majority of Americans want it repealed
who doesn't want it tampered with? Politicians and the corporations who control them. By doing away with so many of our civil and legal rights, spying on us, calling for a National ID (that's the very definition of Authoritarianism) our nation becomes a fascist state and we are easily controlled. How can anyone who believes in Democracy and any hint of personal freedoms NOT denounce the Patriot Act? How can they not denounce the "War on Terror" (terrorism should be fought with intelligence, not by invading sovereign nations). What about demanding paper trails and un-hackable voting machines?Are you honestly calling me "Authoritarian" because I think that our civil liberties should be defended by our prospective leaders? That's not "putting them in a box", that's facing the reality of what they believe. A candidate is always on his or her best behavior during a campaign. I expected more from those that would call themselves "Democrats", especially after the past hellish eight years.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:48 AM
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37. Scale matters here, if you notice, on the graph, they are closer to the center than to the left...
right, authoritarian or libertarian. I would judge this accurate, they are, in American parlance, moderate conservatives.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #27
50. It wasn't based on questions they answered
but on how they voted as well as interpretations (by the developers of the site) of statements they made.

Certainly I would say they all have a bit of an authoritarian bent (even Kucinich is rated more authoritarian than I am and I see him as being right there with me in terms of politics) - they are all (actually, I'm not sure about Kerry) lawyers and their jobs are to establish authority (that's what government is). Furthermore, elected officials often vote in ways that don't match what they say on the campaign trail because 1) they lie on the campaign trail, 2) governance is about compromise and that often means voting for a bill you don't agree with (perhaps because it is better than another bill on the same thing that would pass or because you agreed to vote for it if they made certain changes in exchange for something else), or 3) because the people who own you (your personal special interests, whatever they may be) want you to vote for it. They are people who would say, "You should obey the law even if the law is wrong," "Being an adult means learning to give in to authority." etc. I would argue that in this country, the majority of elected officials tend to call a little on the "supportive of authority over liberty" side (can we say Patriot Act?). I would say that government, by its very nature, is authoritarian - laws are the ultimate authority (good governments pass laws that protect freedom but they still are about authority).

As for the "right" part - again, the way they have voted vis a vis economic issues also may not reflect what they say on the campaign trail (or even what they personally believe). You cannot deny that our government is definitely to the right of center economically and anyone who voted for the tax cuts for the rich would strike me as to the right of center.

As for the civil/human rights issues - there probably should be a third dimension to asses that ... this only assesses economic and freedom/liberty. While civil/human include elements of those two, rights go beyond freedom and how government should spend money or tax people. Liberty, equality, and fraternity ... fraternity/brotherhood is yet another dimension.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:37 AM
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53. Dennis Kucinich is a RW fascist
compared to me. -8.2/-8.7/.

But I love him anyway!

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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:43 PM
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73. ditto :)
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:42 PM
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4. Interesting. I'm a life-long practising Buddhist and...
Edited on Mon May-05-08 12:15 AM by fiziwig
my dot is nearly in the same place as the Dalai Lama (I'm a bit lefter). Guess that means I must be "doing the Buddhist thing" correctly. ;) (i.e., libertarian left)
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:48 PM
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7. Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:51 PM
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9. Economic Left/Right: -7.62. Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69
Always fun. Looks like I'm an anarcho-syndicalist.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:52 PM
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10. I'm farther left than the Dalai Lama?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 11:53 PM by mcctatas
How did that happen? I hate multiple choice tests in general, and especially when they make you oversimplify complex issues...
Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:13 AM
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23. Perhaps this is why...
Although Buddhism itself takes no stand one way or the other regarding gay people, the Dalia Lama has expressed his disapproval of the gay lifestyle, even stating once that a gay person cannot be a Buddhist. (Note that the Dalai Lama does NOT represent most Buddhists, and that most other highly respected Buddhist leaders have taken the opposite stand and support gay rights.)
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:56 PM
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12. I'm shocked
I scored 1 click to the right of Ghandi. I thought I'd be scored a lot further to the right, politically (I've always considered my self a left of center moderate)

OmahaBlueDog's political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13


That was a blast. Thanks!
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:57 PM
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14. I'm Ghandi!
Who knew?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:01 AM
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17. You too?
;-)

Actually, I'm guessing that the majority of DUers are Gandhi, which makes the 2008 primaries pretty disappointing.

:hi:
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:25 AM
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57. Another Ghandi here too (Left/Right: -5.88 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38 )
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:54 PM
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75. Me too, very close to him and the Dalai Lama
:hi:
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:06 AM
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20. I didn't write down my numbers
but I'm further left and further libertarian than Gandhi. Always knew I was an anti-authoritarian communist at heart :)
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:40 AM
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31. Economic Left/Right: -7.50; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18
I think I must be in the right place. I hope so, anyway...
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:43 AM
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34. this OP reminds me of a GREAT book by John Dean
"Broken Government: How Republican Rule Destroyed the Legislative, Executive and Judicial Branches"

yeah yeah yeah, he was convicted for involvement in Watergate, but he was one of the key witnesses against Watergate conspirators.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:49 AM
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38. I'm somewhere around -9, -10, I saved the graph of myself here...


I think I'm the most leftist person on DU! :P
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:54 AM
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40. I believe that test is biased
I've taken it quite a few times over the past six years or so. Anyway, I believe it is biased to encourage people to think that they are "libertarian" in some sense.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:59 AM
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44. It takes the global view of Libertarianism, not the right wing
whacko sense of it that we see here. The test was created in Britain.

Here's the Wikipedia definition of Libertarianism:

Libertarianism is a broad spectrum of political philosophies, each sharing the common overall priority of maximum limitation of government combined with optimum possible individual liberty. Its goals, though often varied in detail, prioritize freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of association, freedom to bear arms, freedom of and from religion, Press freedom, economic freedom, and freedom of ownership. Right-libertarianism rejects the compulsions of socialism and communism, upholding, by contrast, private property, whether held on an individual or group basis. However, left-libertarianism, also referred to as classical libertarianism, is based on democratic socialism.

There are, broadly speaking, two types of right-libertarians: rights theorists (also called libertarian moralists<1>) and libertarian consequentialists.<2> Rights theorists, which include noted deontologists, assert that all persons are the absolute owners of their lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their own bodies or property, provided they do not infringe on the rights of another to engage in that same freedom. They maintain that the initiation of force, defined by physical violence against another or non-physical acts such as fraud or threat, is a violation of that central principle; however, they hold that protective violence, such as self defense, does not constitute an initiation of force since they hold that such actions necessarily reflect an individual's reaction to a danger initiated by another individual. Many philosophers proclaiming this theory recognize the necessity of a limited role of government to protect individuals from any violation of their rights, and to prosecute those who initiate force against others. Some other rights theorists claim to oppose the existence of government altogether, perceiving taxation, among some other usual basic government actions, to be initiation of force (these include anarcho-capitalists).

Consequentialist libertarians, on the other hand, do not speak against "initiation of force," but instead highlight the notion of a society that allows individuals to enjoy political and economic liberty. They believe these cornerstones set the foundation for human happiness and prosperity. Therefore, instead of adhering to the Right Theorist viewpoint, Consequentialists rather focus primarily on the belief that liberty is conducive to good consequences rather than being concerned whether provision of liberty includes or requires initiation of force. This particular branch is associated with Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, and James M. Buchanan.

Libertarians may differ over particular issues, such as abortion and the United States' ongoing presence in Iraq.<3> The fact that libertarians are often diametrically opposed on so many issues lead to frequent condemnation of the philosophy by many, including those who hold similar thoughts. <4>

In the United States, libertarianism is claimed to be the philosophy advocated by Thomas Jefferson and several of the Founding Fathers.<5> Libertarianism is often being bundled with American conservatism, due to many conservatives wishing to retain the ideas of the Founders of the United States. On the other hand, many conservatives are uncomfortable with libertarianism,<6> while a few conservative Republicans, such as United States congressman Ron Paul, maintain viewpoints sympathetic to libertarian philosophy. Furthermore, the fortieth President of the United States, Ronald Reagan who said he believed that "the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."<7> The term "libertarian" is used to describe adherents to libertarian principles, and not necessarily to members of Libertarian political parties, who are distinguished with a capital "L". As in all political parties, not all libertarians agree with the platform of any given Libertarian party. Libertarians who support limited government use the term "classical liberalism" almost interchangeably with the term "libertarianism."<8>

Polls indicate that 10 to 20 percent of voting-age Americans have libertarian views, with "libertarian" being understood as agreeing with conservatives on economic issues and with liberals on personal freedom.<9><10>
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:58 AM
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43. my results
I am very happy to find myself among men like Ghandi and Nelson Mandela.... if I can someday accomplish one tenth what they have, then I can die a content man..

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:01 AM
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46. I'm always to the left of Ghandi.
Even with my very few hard conservative views.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:06 AM
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54. I scored a Stalin is that good or bad? n/t
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:00 AM
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60. depends on who ya ask... n/t
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:32 AM
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58. I thought
it was a very fair test, far more nuanced than our usual left/right way of branding people. It is also reflective of how far to the right of the rest of the world even American "liberals" tend to be. I think a lot of the irritation shown here is mostly about that. Democrats don't like to be reminded just how conservative they really are by world standards.

I don't see it as "pigeonholing" people to indicate where they tend to stand on certain issues. We have to have some tools for analysis.

I was down there in the lower left corner, where I expected to be. I found it interesting that my favorite composer, Prokofiev, is down there with me.

The surprising quotes from famous people are a useful reminder that real people are rarely as consistent or ideologically pure as we like to imagine.
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:46 AM
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59. I'm there with Gandhi and Mandela...


Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:30 AM
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61. What the Libertarian Party IS, is different from what they want you to think they are
According to the LP claims, they're all into freedom and individual rights and all that good stuff.

In reality, a member of the Libertarian Party is a Republican extremist with a bag of weed in his glovebox.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:46 AM
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62. I've done this a few times...
I always get about -0.7 on both axes.

By the way, the word 'libertarian' doesn't have the same baggage in the UK that it does in America, and isn't the name of a political party.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:03 PM
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68. Definition of Libertarianism-post #44
America was founded on a lot of Libertarian principles, but Libertarianism itself has been warped in this country to mean "My personal freedom trumps everyone else's". In the rest of the world:


Libertarianism is a broad spectrum of political philosophies, each sharing the common overall priority of maximum limitation of government combined with optimum possible individual liberty. Its goals, though often varied in detail, prioritize freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of association, freedom to bear arms, freedom of and from religion, Press freedom, economic freedom, and freedom of ownership. Right-libertarianism rejects the compulsions of socialism and communism, upholding, by contrast, private property, whether held on an individual or group basis. However, left-libertarianism, also referred to as classical libertarianism, is based on democratic socialism.



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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:50 AM
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63. Economic Left/Right: -7.50; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.10
Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.10

Here's my graph at the link...
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.50&soc=-8.10
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:59 AM
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64. The same as the last time I took this: Economic Left/Right: -7.62/Soc Libertarian/Author: -9.90
Edited on Mon May-05-08 07:03 AM by Echo In Light
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.90

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.62&soc=-9.90
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:28 AM
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66. Economic: -5.25 Social: -0.36
The test confirms that I'm awesome. :bounce:
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dawgman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:41 PM
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70. here's me
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:43 PM
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71. Economic Left/Right: -9.62. Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31.
Radical left, where I belong.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:37 PM
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72. Kick n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:52 PM
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74. I'm feeling compassionate today and scored a little to the left of my usual
Edited on Mon May-05-08 04:55 PM by slackmaster
Usually I am about dead center on economic left/right and about half way down the axis toward libertarian.

A little closer to the Dalai Lama than usual.

Economic Left/Right: -2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:25 PM
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76. -2.75, -6.56
Edited on Mon May-05-08 05:27 PM by MercutioATC
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:12 PM
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77. Here's mine
Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33


What does this mean? Am I going ot hell? ;-)

Julie
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