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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:48 PM
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Here's what we need to hear, FDR, 1936: "I welcome their hatred"
If you have not read or listened to this, go to the link at the end. This is why I am a Dem.

". . . For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent.

For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peacebusiness and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome their hatred.

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master. . ."

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/text/us/fdr1936.html

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:56 PM
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1. Hence My Avatar
Thanks for sharing this.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:04 PM
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3. Thank you for your Avatar.
Me? The Swedish Chef. Not even close.

I come by it honestly, though.

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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:41 PM
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26. Avatar change time?
It would be hard to dump the greatest musician of the 20th Century (IMHO) - but the greatest Prez of them all could do it!

(weighing.....considering....)
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:01 PM
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2. K&R. What an enlightening thing to listen to, and how eerily the echo resounds
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 01:02 PM by hisownpetard
today.

"...farmers whose acres yielded only bitterness..."

Did he say something about farmers being... BITTER?
Throw the bum out!!!!

So many other references here, too, that pertain to the situation we face today, after 7 years of Bush's lies
and cronyism.

Great words. Thanks so much for this post.

:thumbsup: :hi:

Edit: typos
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:13 PM
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4. Thank you. I hope we can keep this kicked.
I hate tooting my own horn, but in light of the big hoo-ha over the "bitter" comments, I thought it important to note how an unapologetic Dem put it 72 years ago.

I just love this speech, one of the great ones of the 20th century, and any DUer who has not read or listened to it has shortchanged themselves.

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:19 PM
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8. Yes - I think I need to kick somnething. This post seems like a good place to start...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:15 PM
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5. this is what i kept waiting for during the first Clinton Admin -- post Reagan...
from day one i totally expected bill and al to bring the rogues to justice and do something for the long-suffering masses. i recorded his speeches, searching for clues to when the turnaround might begin. i was like a kid waiting for santa claus with my clintonian optimism.

then, we were told that it was a vast right-wing conspiracy, that kept the clintons from getting any traction. and i believed it. but look at what bush is able to do with an 'opposition' congress.

i'm so ready for real, FDR-like leadership but my hope-gland is dry. "bitter-gate" has shown us that the other clinton will sell our economic interests down the river for a handful of religious, gun-totin' votes.

and honestly -- where's obama's response? there's a kerry-esque silence that is starting to reverberate and ring in my ears.

all that to say, this excerpt from FDR's famous speech makes me very sad. we need an FDR now more than ever but to hope that that's what we'll get in the end seems foolish in my experience.

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:16 PM
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6. KnR, bookmarked
Thank you for this faygokid.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:19 PM
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7. Yeah, this one goes in my journal.
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 01:19 PM by faygokid
I post a lot of stuff, and some of it isn't that great, but this one is a keeper. Thanks.

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:20 PM
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9. Hey - is he the guy who invented all those BATTERIES??
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:36 PM
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10. ??? FDR?
I am obtuse. You have to 'splain this one, Lucy.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:58 PM
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13. No - Al Kaline.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:01 PM
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14. You are too fast! That was a mistake, and I corrected it right away.
Glad to see you're paying attention! For those wondering what the hell this is about, here's my mistaken pic.

No, he didn't invent batteries (alkaline - ha!), but he was my boyhood hero.

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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:52 PM
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11. I can picture Peloisi and Hoyer giving an address like this
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:57 PM
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12. Exactly. That's why I posted this. Let's remember that FIGHTING Dems win.
Not the bend-over-and-kick-me-again types.

Can you imagine FDR taking on these Repuke bastards? It would be glorious. Absolutely glorious.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:53 PM
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15. Kicking this one for the coming home from work crowd.
I don't normally do this, but I am proud of this post.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:12 PM
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16. Kick
for the greatest President this country ever had. Thanks
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:42 PM
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17. ......
:loveya:

We could use another right about now.....
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:44 PM
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18. K&R! Ya' just can't get that kind no more!
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 04:54 PM by frebrd
I spent the first half of my childhood hearing FDR's speeches and Fireside Chats" on the radio. It made a lifelong Dem of me, even growing up in a houseful of Repubs.

Actually, I thought he was the permanent President. (I also thought Earl Warren was the permanent Governor of Calif.)
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:19 PM
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20. Wow. You pre-date me, my friend, and FDR is always with us.
I just watched Leave it to Beaver on TV Land. I can't believe Jerry Mathers was born in 1948, and turns 60 this year.

Anyway, this 1951 baby boomer remembers how much FDR was loved by Mom and Grandma, both gone now. Thanks for your post, and that was quite a speech, wasn't it?

Damn if we don't need him now.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:19 PM
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19. this is a stretch
The enemy identified here is "business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering" not those who were rural or had voted Republican, or who went to church or owned guns.

I would love to see Obama supporters speak out against "business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering" rather than "Hillary."
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:31 PM
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21. Hillary could have voted against the bankruptcy bill. But didn't.
"business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering" - sounds like a lot of your candidate's K Street backers.

Why you would take a post commending FDR and use it to slam Obama is beyond me.

Waving goodbye now.



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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:58 PM
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22. agreed
Never mind Clinton. A lot of them have sold us out.

Few post more quotes from FDR here than I do. They rarely get much response. No one advocates New Deal policies here more than I do. They are a hard sell and there is much opposition.

I am not taking a post about FDR and using it to slam Obama, I am questioning using FDR to promote Obama.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:02 PM
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23. But how did I do that? I said nothing about Obama or Clinton in the OP.
I really wasn't thinking of either of them. Just what I wish the Dems would be. Go back and look. My post didn't tout Obama in the least, except for my sig line (standard stuff).

I love FDR. I wish more would read this speech, one of the most important of the 20th century.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:11 PM
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24. yes you are right
Sorry for the confusion - my fault. Can we rewind and start over? :)

Here is my favorite section from my favorite FDR speech, by way of making amends.

Acceptance Speech for the Renomination for the Presidency
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Philadelphia, Pa.
June 27th, 1936

Philadelphia is a good city in which to write American history. This is fitting ground on which to reaffirm the faith of our fathers; to pledge ourselves to restore to the people a wider freedom; to give to 1936 as the founders gave to 1776an American way of life.

That very word freedom, in itself and of necessity, suggests freedom from some restraining power. In 1776 we sought freedom from the tyranny of a political autocracyfrom the eighteenth century royalists who held special privileges from the crown. It was to perpetuate their privilege that they governed without the consent of the governed; that they denied the right of free assembly and free speech; that they restricted the worship of God; that they put the average man's property and the average man's life in pawn to the mercenaries of dynastic power; that they regimented the people.

And so it was to win freedom from the tyranny of political autocracy that the American Revolution was fought. That victory gave the business of governing into the hands of the average man, who won the right with his neighbors to make and order his own destiny through his own Government. Political tyranny was wiped out at Philadelphia on July 4, 1776.

Since that struggle, however, man's inventive genius released new forces in our land which reordered the lives of our people.. The age of machinery, of railroads; of steam and electricity; the telegraph and the radio; mass production, mass distributionall of these combined to bring forward a new civilization and with it a new problem for those who sought to remain free.

For out of this modern civilization economic royalists carved new dynasties. New kingdoms were built upon concentration of control over material things. Through new uses of corporations, banks and securities, new machinery of industry and agriculture, of labor and capitalall undreamed of by the fathersthe whole structure of modern life was impressed into this royal service.

There was no place among this royalty for our many thousands of small business men and merchants who sought to make a worthy use of the American system of initiative and profit. They were no more free than the worker or the farmer. Even honest and progressive-minded men of wealth, aware of their obligation to their generation, could never know just where they fitted into this dynastic scheme of things.

It was natural and perhaps human that the privileged princes of these new economic dynasties, thirsting for power, reached out for control over Government itself. They created a new despotism and wrapped it in the robes of legal sanction. In its service new mercenaries sought to regiment the people, their labor, and their property. And as a result the average man once more confronts the problem that faced the Minute Man.

The hours men and women worked, the wages they received, the conditions of their laborthese had passed beyond the control of the people, and were imposed by this new industrial dictatorship. The savings of the average family, the capital of the small business man, the investments set aside for old ageother people's moneythese were tools which the new economic royalty used to dig itself in.

Those who tilled the soil no longer reaped the rewards which were their right. The small measure of their gains was decreed by men in distant cities.

Throughout the Nation, opportunity was limited by monopoly. Individual initiative was crushed in the cogs of a great machine. The field open for free business was more and more restricted. Private enterprise, indeed, became too private. It became privileged enterprise, not free enterprise.

An old English judge once said: "Necessitous men are not free men." Liberty requires opportunity to make a livinga living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's laborother people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of Government. The collapse of 1929 showed up the despotism for what it was. The election of 1932 was the people's mandate to end it. Under that mandate it is being ended.

The royalists of the economic order have conceded that political freedom was the business of the Government, but they have maintained that economic slavery was nobody's business. They granted that the Government could protect the citizen in his right to vote, but they denied that the Government could do anything to protect the citizen in his right to work and his right to live.

Today we stand committed to the proposition that freedom is no half-and-half affair. If the average citizen is guaranteed equal opportunity in the polling place, he must have equal opportunity in the market place.

These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power. In vain they seek to hide behind the Flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the Flag and the Constitution stand for. Now, as always, they stand for democracy, not tyranny; for freedom, not subjection; and against a dictatorship by mob rule and the over-privileged alike.

The brave and clear platform adopted by this Convention, to which I heartily subscribe, sets forth that Government in a modern civilization has certain inescapable obligations to its citizens, among which are protection of the family and the home, the establishment of a democracy of opportunity, and aid to those overtaken by disaster.

But the resolute enemy within our gates is ever ready to beat down our words unless in greater courage we will fight for them.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:14 PM
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25. thanks for the words
:kick:
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:34 PM
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31. A little late to the party
Hillary is owned by these interests we Obama supporters have been addressing.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:09 PM
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27. yes
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:22 PM
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28. Thank you ... I'm always startled at the wonder of his speeches . ..
Government by organized money

Amazing that this entire period has been overturned and we're dealing with these problems over again!!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:23 PM
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29. And wouldn't it be nice to have someone in the White House who can speak . . . !!!
Spontaneously, openly --- brilliantly ---

and not need an ear plug and a back pack so that someone else's words and thoughts can come out of
his mouth!!!


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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:32 PM
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30. We have no one running for
Prez who would ever fathom saying that.... ;( :cry: :grr:

It's up to you and me.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:37 PM
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32. What a great President. K & R
This man is a true American hero.
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